'Natural Gut Wholesale' Review (Stringing and Play)

Tee1Up

Rookie
We never leave home with at least 3 racquets . . .

Strung this one at 05:00 AM

Lasted about 5 weeks - so no complaining here !

Playing a L1 in SoCal later today


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No disrespect, but there is no way I would have sent my kid to a level one with that misweave. I would have restrung it.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
No disrespect, but there is no way I would have sent my kid to a level one with that misweave. I would have restrung it.
Well at least she got in - she 'works' hard for it

I noticed the misweave myself . . . but too late . . . my bad !

And so did my daugther

So the racquet stayed in her bag

Lesson learned :

  • Never string racquets without first having a coffee this early in the morning !

  • Check equipment the day before - what I normally always do - but got home close to midnight - my bad #2 !

Murphy ain't far away as you can see

He's just waiting for you
 
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dmcb101

Professional
Update: Put my last set of NGW V2 in my blade at 55 lbs with poly X and it lasted 45 minutes before snapping near the top of the frame. I am the stringer at my club and I know how to handle gut. Out of the 10 half sets of NGW I purchased, only one half set lasted the way other big name guts last. Save your dough!
 

Kingair001

Rookie
Update: Put my last set of NGW V2 in my blade at 55 lbs with poly X and it lasted 45 minutes before snapping near the top of the frame. I am the stringer at my club and I know how to handle gut. Out of the 10 half sets of NGW I purchased, only one half set lasted the way other big name guts last. Save your dough!
Did you already tried the latest NGW ?

The last V2 I used I think was close to a year ago . . .

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McLovin

Legend
Did you already tried the latest NGW ?
I have, and had the same crappy, inconsistent results: Bought 4 packs (8 - 1/2 sets) of 17g V4, 4 of the 1/2 sets were closer to 15Lg, 2 of the 1/2 sets were closer to 19g (and broke on the 1st pull), and 2 of the 1/2 sets were just about right.

@dmcb101, don't bother w/ the V4. Nothing to see here...move along...
 

Kingair001

Rookie
I have, and had the same crappy, inconsistent results: Bought 4 packs (8 - 1/2 sets) of 17g V4, 4 of the 1/2 sets were closer to 15Lg, 2 of the 1/2 sets were closer to 19g (and broke on the 1st pull), and 2 of the 1/2 sets were just about right.

@dmcb101, don't bother w/ the V4. Nothing to see here...move along...
Apparently you don't like the NGW gut

Did you ever contact NGW and discussed your findings with them ?



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McLovin

Legend
Did you ever contact NGW and discussed your findings with them ?
I did, and his response was (paraphrasing because it was so long ago and I can't remember his exact words):
Sorry to hear about your experience. We can send you a replacement set, but we'd like you to post positive reviews about the string in return.
I'd like to think I'm a fairly honest person (at least I try to be), and I'm not going to misrepresent myself here, or anywhere else for that matter, especially for a cheap set of string. If your product is good quality, and people like it, the positive reviews will come.

Suffice to say, I did not reply to receive the replacement string.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
I did, and his response was (paraphrasing because it was so long ago and I can't remember his exact words):
Sorry to hear about your experience. We can send you a replacement set, but we'd like you to post positive reviews about the string in return.
I'd like to think I'm a fairly honest person (at least I try to be), and I'm not going to misrepresent myself here, or anywhere else for that matter, especially for a cheap set of string. If your product is good quality, and people like it, the positive reviews will come.

Suffice to say, I did not reply to receive the replacement string.
Why would you ?

A review is a review

If you love it or hate it . . . works or don't work . . .



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letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
I did, and his response was (paraphrasing because it was so long ago and I can't remember his exact words):
Sorry to hear about your experience. We can send you a replacement set, but we'd like you to post positive reviews about the string in return.
I'd like to think I'm a fairly honest person (at least I try to be), and I'm not going to misrepresent myself here, or anywhere else for that matter, especially for a cheap set of string. If your product is good quality, and people like it, the positive reviews will come.

Suffice to say, I did not reply to receive the replacement string.
Reminds me of some products on Amazon that have 5 star reviews all because the seller stated "if you leave a 5 star review we will send you a free gift."

If NGW has the same business model, no thanks.

Unsubscribing to this thread. Nothing to see here.

Everybody wants something that is fast, good and cheap, but that's just dreaming.
If you want to go fast and be good, it will not be cheap.
If you want it be good and cheap, it will not be fast.
If you want it to be fast and cheap, it will not be good.

NGW gut falls to the last category: It breaks fast and is relatively inexpensive, therefore it is not a good alternative to a good quality nat gut.
 
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ultron1969

New User
I got some it broke. They replaced and asked for a positive review. It sucks bottom line. I bought some good gut and string savers. Works great and I only play with gut on important matches.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
I got some it broke. They replaced and asked for a positive review. It sucks bottom line. I bought some good gut and string savers. Works great and I only play with gut on important matches.
You only play with gut on important matches ?

Are there any other ?
 

Kingair001

Rookie
Geez did you run over that poor frame with a 4x4 truck in the Afghanistan desert or something?
Nope !

These Wilson Ultra 100 Counter Vail arrived mid September when they where just released - so about 4 months old

This is how they look now after playing with them for a few months . . . playing a lot !

Already spoke to Wilson and the Rep but no warranty on the paint job . . .

The paint on the previous Wilson Ultra 100 was way better and more chip resisting !
 
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onehandbh

Legend
Not sure if I got lucky with the set I purchased three years ago but it is still alive and kicking in my Jack Kramer Pro Staff.
I have only used it 4 or 5 times in 3 years but it hasn't broken yet despite playing in a humid environment.
One thing that may be a factor is that it is an 18x20 wood racquet and I don't try to hit or serve very hard when I play with this racquet b/c I am afraid of breaking it.

Anyways, all these bad reviews scared me a bit and with the recent TW sale on Babolat VS gut making it close in price to NGW, I decided to purchase gut from TW instead of buying more NGW.

 

UCSF2012

Hall of Fame
Shelling out $45 bucks for Wilson or Pacific gut was my smartest gut move. They last a very long time. Cheap gut breaks too often. If on a budget, $33 for Babolat Tonic. A set of Pacific Tough Gut last well over a year. If you use an 18x20, good luck breaking it.

Any sub $30 gut string isn't worth your time. I restring poly cross only ALL the time. No detriment to the racket.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
What in gods name are you doing to your rackets? They look like you been hitting rocks with them.


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This is the effect / result of playing a minimum of 3 hours a day for a few months. . .

Not happy with it

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Doubles

Legend
I've now gone through four hybrids with the wholesale gut, and I can conclude it simply isn't worth the cost. I would rather spend a little more money and play with Tonic or Klip Legend. I used it as a cross string in two racquets, and each broke in under an hour. In hybrids where it was the main string, they lasted roughly 5 sets each, while I can easily play 4-5 matches with Tonic before it snaps. Others might get more durability than myself, but I was also bothered with the inconsistency in the gauge of the string, as well as in the overall quality. Parts of the strings would have almost no coating on them, or would have nicks in the string while still in the packaging.
 

dnguyen

Hall of Fame
Hi everyone,

I am a lurker around this forum. Just wanted to ask the experts here who experienced their string tensions especially at higher one. Which string that may a bit longer if I strung it at 70. My racquets is Yonex Vcore 89, including power pads. I'm thinking of cutting it due to decrease in my head speed after switching from Yonex Vocre 93 which is light racquet. I am thinking I should go for gauge 17, so I can swing faster properly. Don't get me wrong that I have very good single backhand and forehand. I serve better with 89 over 93 due to the weight but my backhand is better with 93! I will adjust, and I only got voce 89 due to slow delivery from Europe to Australia during Christmas period.

Which brand that has better durability when stringing at 70 for the first racquet and 65 for the second one respectively. My court style is I am a serve and volleyer. I can switch which racquet with different tensions due to the weather conditions.
 

treo

Semi-Pro
NGW states on their instructions do not string over 60lbs. It's a crappy string and will break. Try Tonic+ instead.
 

dnguyen

Hall of Fame
I understand now. I guess I posted in the wrong thread. I specifically asked what brand that has better durability. I’m gonna try luxilion 16L 1.25mm, will string tensions at 70 and 65 respectively.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
I understand now. I guess I posted in the wrong thread. I specifically asked what brand that has better durability. I’m gonna try luxilion 16L 1.25mm, will string tensions at 70 and 65 respectively.
Luxilon should work at that tension

Why so many lbs if I may ask ?

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dnguyen

Hall of Fame
Luxilon should work at that tension

Why so many lbs if I may ask ?

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Vcore 89s had been strung at 63lbs including power pads. I could feel my swings being sluggish which I made forced errors due to the racquet weights. Those strings were VT7 15g Babolat. It would be better to put them in vcore 93s due to light weight. I felt it would be better if strung at 70lbs with 17g to make my swing faster (make head light) and hit hard to create dripping topspins. What more it’s better control at the met with that high tension.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
Vcore 89s had been strung at 63lbs including power pads. I could feel my swings being sluggish which I made forced errors due to the racquet weights. Those strings were VT7 15g Babolat. It would be better to put them in vcore 93s due to light weight. I felt it would be better if strung at 70lbs with 17g to make my swing faster (make head light) and hit hard to create dripping topspins. What more it’s better control at the met with that high tension.
Works for me !

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McLovin

Legend
Why so many lbs if I may ask ?
Not sure if you're aware, but years ago it was normal to string natural gut in the upper 60s and low 70s. It actually plays better in a full bed at those tensions.

I believe Sampras went as high as 75 with 17g VS. Hell, I used to string Kevlar mains at 60, gut crosses at 65.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
Not sure if you're aware, but years ago it was normal to string natural gut in the upper 60s and low 70s. It actually plays better in a full bed at those tensions.

I believe Sampras went as high as 75 with 17g VS. Hell, I used to string Kevlar mains at 60, gut crosses at 65.
I know that some players like Serena and Andy play or played over 70 lbs

Just wonder how long your wrist, arm and shoulder will cope with it . . .

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McLovin

Legend
Just wonder how long your wrist, arm and shoulder will cope with it . . .
In a full bed of natural gut? Oh...50 years...

Seriously. All Natural Gut strung in the upper 60s/lower 70s will have absolutely no ill effect on your wrist/arm/shoulder, provided your strokes are mechanically sound. I'm not sure there is any string that can prevent injury from bad technique.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
In a full bed of natural gut? Oh...50 years...

Seriously. All Natural Gut strung in the upper 60s/lower 70s will have absolutely no ill effect on your wrist/arm/shoulder, provided your strokes are mechanically sound. I'm not sure there is any string that can prevent injury from bad technique.
Bad technique won't help for sure

Not for injuries

And not for your (mental) game

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dnguyen

Hall of Fame
I had wrist injury which bothered me for years that made me quit tennis :( and I was a Wilson user. 10 years later and I am 40 years old and had to play tennis again due to my health. Cymbalta is very dangerous, so please do not take it regardless of what your doctor say but do not listen to him/her.

I tried Yonex 93 vcore first and I was shocked that my old wrist injury was completely gone! I was so happy. But this racquet is too light so I bought a pair of yonex 89 ones, strung with 15g at 63lbs with no issues and it suit my need but need to get 17g to make head light so I can swing faster to minimise forced errors, even unforced errors as well.

I made some change to my serve motion, it worked much better than the original one. I can serve more aces than before. Wish I should switch to yonex ages ago.

I just ordered a pair of Luxilon natural gut (1.25mm). Can't wait to get them. I probably want to try babolat last cross string saver but I am worried about the swing weight, I prefer light racquet head to swing faster. I will test it out.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
I had wrist injury which bothered me for years that made me quit tennis :( and I was a Wilson user. 10 years later and I am 40 years old and had to play tennis again due to my health. Cymbalta is very dangerous, so please do not take it regardless of what your doctor say but do not listen to him/her.

I tried Yonex 93 vcore first and I was shocked that my old wrist injury was completely gone! I was so happy. But this racquet is too light so I bought a pair of yonex 89 ones, strung with 15g at 63lbs with no issues and it suit my need but need to get 17g to make head light so I can swing faster to minimise forced errors, even unforced errors as well.

I made some change to my serve motion, it worked much better than the original one. I can serve more aces than before. Wish I should switch to yonex ages ago.

I just ordered a pair of Luxilon natural gut (1.25mm). Can't wait to get them. I probably want to try babolat last cross string saver but I am worried about the swing weight, I prefer light racquet head to swing faster. I will test it out.
You bought the best gut on the market

My Belgian friend Nico has a great product line !

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UCSF2012

Hall of Fame
So what's the consensus with all you cheapskates? Is it worth it spending 1/3 as much on cheap gut, get half the performance, and have it last 1/10th as long?
 

LaZeR

Professional
So what's the consensus with all you cheapskates? Is it worth it spending 1/3 as much on cheap gut, get half the performance, and have it last 1/10th as long?
For me it does
After trying almost all major brands, NGW Version4 is 1/3 the cost, performance is great, lasts just as long if not longer, and intestines aren't much different between cows... :cool: Do however AGREE with this quote below:
NGW was just too inconsistent for me in thickness, ...
 
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Anton

Legend
So what's the consensus with all you cheapskates? Is it worth it spending 1/3 as much on cheap gut, get half the performance, and have it last 1/10th as long?
Switched to much higher quality Klip Legend.

NGW was just too inconsistent for me in thickness, durability and performance. Klip Legend looks perfect, like a multi string. I havent tried V3/V4 NGW though.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
I found some old half-sets of Titan that I have been using on my secondary racquets, and even that is 10X more consistent and of obviously higher quality than Emerson's gut. Even gauge, perfectly clear transparent look -- It actually plays very close to Pacific Tough Gut. And Titan was Klip's "seconds". Even at the lower entry price, Indian gut is overpriced when weighed against quality and the current markup from NGW.
 
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onehandbh

Legend
I probably got luck a few years ago when I gut a couple sets of NGW. Strung it on my Jack Kramer Pro Staff and it still hasn't broken yet. Have only played a few times with it, though.

A few months ago, TW had a good sale on VS Gut, so I bought that instead of NGW. Strung up my Wright & Ditson but haven't hit with it yet.
 

LaZeR

Professional
I found some old half-sets of Titan that I have been using on my secondary racquets, and even that is 10X more consistent and of obviously higher quality than Emerson's gut.
I Googled and can't find any online stores selling Emerson's or Titan... please advise... THANKS!!

EDIT >>> ah OK I guess Emerson = Global Gut but you have to buy 100 sets!!
  • F. O. B. Price Order : 15 USD
  • Minimum Order Quantity : 100 Sets
Still can't find Titan though...
 

Doubles

Legend
I Googled and can't find any online stores selling Emerson's or Titan... please advise... THANKS!!

EDIT >>> ah OK I guess Emerson = Global Gut but you have to buy 100 sets!!
  • F. O. B. Price Order : 15 USD
  • Minimum Order Quantity : 100 Sets
Still can't find Titan though...
I believe Titan went out of business a while ago. TW stopped selling it right around when I was first going to try gut/poly for the first time.
I alternate between gut/poly and full poly, but I'd recommend just going with Klip Legend or Tonic.
 

LaZeR

Professional
I believe Titan went out of business a while ago. TW stopped selling it right around when I was first going to try gut/poly for the first time. I alternate between gut/poly and full poly, but I'd recommend just going with Klip Legend or Tonic.
Thanks ~ just looked up "Tonic" which is surprising ~ $36 for "BABOLAT" (key word) Natural Gut ain't too shabby at all...
 
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Kingair001

Rookie
Thanks ~ just looked up "Tonic" which is surprising ~ $36 for "BABOLAT" (key word) Natural Gut ain't too shabby at all...
The V4 is consistent and coated

You see the NGW moving each time in the positive direction per update

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