'Natural Gut Wholesale' Review (Stringing and Play)

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
I Googled and can't find any online stores selling Emerson's or Titan... please advise... THANKS!!

EDIT >>> ah OK I guess Emerson = Global Gut but you have to buy 100 sets!!
  • F. O. B. Price Order : 15 USD
  • Minimum Order Quantity : 100 Sets
Still can't find Titan though...
I believe Titan went out of business a while ago. TW stopped selling it right around when I was first going to try gut/poly for the first time.
I alternate between gut/poly and full poly, but I'd recommend just going with Klip Legend or Tonic.
Titan was Klip's second brand. Not the first time a brand knocked themselves off to increase sales at a different price point. Presumably, they were strings that somehow fell short of Klip QC but sold at a significant discount. Titan was hit and miss, with stretches of great QC and a few stretches of erratic QC. But, it was first-world gut and bore no resemblance to Indian gut. The last lot of half-sets, which I purchased on closeout from TW, have all been spot-on.

Emerson is the manufacturer of NGW. They simply private label it for them, which makes NGW's story complete fiction. Global Gut was Emerson's direct offering in the past, which used to sell for $4-$5 each for 10 sets or so (including shipping from India). Emerson is primarily a musical instrument string manufacturer (as was Bow Brand in England -- past makers of superb natural gut tennis strings). NGW seems to have exclusive distribution rights to the US.
 
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Kingair001

Rookie
Emerson is the manufacturer of NGW. They simply private label it for them, which makes NGW's story complete fiction. Global Gut was Emerson's direct offering in the past, which used to sell for $4-$5 each for 10 sets or so (including shipping from India). Emerson is primarily a musical instrument string manufacturer (as was Bow Brand in England -- past makers of superb natural gut tennis strings). NGW seems to have exclusive distribution rights to the US.
Even if NGW is the lowest quality out there . . . it seems to work for us

And if our friend in Chula Vista has exclusive rights . . . than all I can say is : congrats !

Pretty sure other members here on the forum would have taken that deal / business !



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Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
Even if NGW is the lowest quality out there . . . it seems to work for us

And if our friend in Chula Vista has exclusive rights . . . than all I can say is : congrats !

Pretty sure other members here on the forum would have taken that deal / business !



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LOL. "Us" seems to be mostly you and the NGW guy based on the vast majority of experiences described with this string. Since it works for you, by all means, keep using it.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
LOL. "Us" seems to be mostly you and the NGW guy based on the vast majority of experiences described with this string. Since it works for you, by all means, keep using it.
Us - meaning my family
I'll keep using it - no reason to change to a different brand
No complains here

But for sure that the Luxilon / Wilson and Babolat gut strings will be better
Nico has created a stunning product and developed it perfectly !
But all at a price of course

We'll see how long the natural V3 lasts that I just strung

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mctennis

Hall of Fame
So many cheaper get companies have gone out of business in a very short time , i.e., opening up and then closing. One gut company ( Performaxx) had a pretty good following here in TW site then boom, out of business. They had almost clear colored gut. I tried it with not much luck but others here really liked it. Another company Mamba had a nice gut string available but could not get a consistent product from their supplier so they stopped making a gut string available, then they went out of business.
 

Anton

Legend
Thanks ~ just looked up "Tonic" which is surprising ~ $36 for "BABOLAT" (key word) Natural Gut ain't too shabby at all...
Tonic is total crap - relatively stiff and inelastic, simply not very much like natural gut.

Klip Legend is a much better string.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
So many cheaper get companies have gone out of business in a very short time , i.e., opening up and then closing. One gut company ( Performaxx) had a pretty good following here in TW site then boom, out of business. They had almost clear colored gut. I tried it with not much luck but others here really liked it. Another company Mamba had a nice gut string available but could not get a consistent product from their supplier so they stopped making a gut string available, then they went out of business.
Fred Schwacke was a former high ranking executive at Pacific who ran into a ton of legal issues with accusations ranging from embezzlement/fraud to outright theft of product. The product he was selling under his Performaxx brand was actually Pacific natural gut. He was another disingenuous yobbo with a concocted story about his own factory for manufacturing natural gut strings. For the most part, when you get away from Babolat, Klip, Pacific, and Luxilon (all actual manufacturers of natural gut) you will run into con-artists who pee on your leg and try to tell you it's raining.
 

LaZeR

Professional
... Emerson is the manufacturer of NGW. They simply private label it for them, which makes NGW's story complete fiction. ... NGW seems to have exclusive distribution rights to the US.
Holy Moly is all this common knowledge ~ from where did you get so much insider info ~ did you speak to the owners?
 
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Doubles

Legend
Tonic is total crap - relatively stiff and inelastic, simply not very much like natural gut.

Klip Legend is a much better string.
Klip breaks in the bag and on the stringer from time to time-tonic does not. While Tonic isn’t VS, it feels just as much like gut as Legend, imo.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Only have experience with the Klip coated gut. Broke it on the stringer several times at mid 50’s, broke in the first hour several times and it played super stiff. Funny how people have different experiences. VS Tonic doesn’t feel stiff to me it just feels like natural gut. If you put VS in your racquet and it sucks you have become way too jaded. It doesn’t get much better. Probably why you see it on the ATP and WTA so much. I play coated gut that is 1.30 just trying to get more longevity. Aware that the uncoated smaller diameter plays better but it’s not free to me. VS Tonic has been consistent for me in how It strings, lasts, and plays. That is good enough for me.
 
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Anton

Legend
Klip breaks in the bag and on the stringer from time to time-tonic does not. While Tonic isn’t VS, it feels just as much like gut as Legend, imo.
Hmm never happened to me after ~20 stringjobs.

I use 16g in RF97, 17g in 18x20 rackets and it always lasts and lasts.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Hmm never happened to me after ~20 stringjobs.

I use 16g in RF97, 17g in 18x20 rackets and it always lasts and lasts.
You have been fortunate. Myself and a close friend have had the same experience. Pro shop here at the largest club in town will no longer string with it due to this.
 

LaZeR

Professional
Holy Moly is all this common knowledge ~ from where did you get so much insider info ~ did you speak to the owners?
The very few actual manufacturers of natural gut are common knowledge for anyone who has been in the tennis industry for a while.
I wasn't talking about manufacturers of natural gut per se ~ I meant how do ya know 100% that NGW = Emerson and they have exclusive distribution rights:
Emerson is the manufacturer of NGW. They simply private label it for them, which makes NGW's story complete fiction. ... NGW seems to have exclusive distribution rights to the US.
On a related note, a) if Emerson demands a Minimum Order of 100 Sets, and b) they're way out in India, c) not certain how they can restrict, or even know, or care, about someone re-selling and/or re-branding. All one needs to do is replace any stickers. In fact, I've re-sold a lot of my old sets of NGW. :cool:
 
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Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
I wasn't talking about manufacturers of natural gut per se ~ I meant how do ya know 100% that NGW = Emerson and they have exclusive distribution rights:On a related note, a) if Emerson demands a Minimum Order of 100 Sets, and b) they're way out in India, c) not certain how they can restrict, or even know, or care, about someone re-selling and/or re-branding. All one needs to do is replace any stickers. In fact, I've re-sold a lot of my old sets of NGW. :cool:
A business acquaintance of mine was interested in trying to private label a higher quality version of the blue-spiral natural gut made for Gaucho and contacted Emerson. He was referred to NGW. Emerson can do whatever they want with respect to their own product distribution. That is their prerogative.
 

LaZeR

Professional
A business acquaintance of mine was interested in trying to private label a higher quality version of the blue-spiral natural gut made for Gaucho and contacted Emerson. He was referred to NGW. Emerson can do whatever they want with respect to their own product distribution.
OK that makes sense but then again ~ as per my previous post ~ your friend could just as easily NOT mention his motives to Emerson, order whatever # sets he wants, and simply re-label & re-sell them.
 

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
Klip breaks in the bag and on the stringer from time to time-tonic does not. While Tonic isn’t VS, it feels just as much like gut as Legend, imo.
I've had great experience with Klip Legend Natural Gut, and that was stringing it at 62 and 59, on multiple occasions. Currently don't have any but will be stringing VS NG soon.
 

mctennis

Hall of Fame
Fred Schwacke was a former high ranking executive at Pacific who ran into a ton of legal issues with accusations ranging from embezzlement/fraud to outright theft of product. The product he was selling under his Performaxx brand was actually Pacific natural gut. He was another disingenuous yobbo with a concocted story about his own factory for manufacturing natural gut strings. For the most part, when you get away from Babolat, Klip, Pacific, and Luxilon (all actual manufacturers of natural gut) you will run into con-artists who pee on your leg and try to tell you it's raining.
That makes sense about what happened. I tried buying it from fleabay and it was always on BO. I bought a racquet from someone here that had some Performaxx in it. Perhaps it was not strung correctly. It played okay for me but was probably the racquet more than the strings that I did not like. It was not a good combination. Thanks for the update about what was going on with that company.
 

Marty Ace

New User
This is some real cheap crappy string. If it doesn’t not break on the machine it breaks on the court in under 2 hours. Do not buy it!!






This is the NGW with the 15L Tonic+:


This is the 16g NGW (Top) with the 17g NGW (Bottom):
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I got in trouble for posting the link to their website, so I will not do that anymore. I'm sorry, I was not aware links to other sites weren't allowed (none of my other forums have that rule unless it's eBayorAmazon).

I will try to recall everything I had in the previous thread but I will probably miss some stuff. If those who posted in the last thread would like to share their thoughts again, please do and please include string gauge and color.

General Info
I ordered the 16g black natty gut directly from them about two weeks ago. I couldn't string it until Saturday night because all 4 of my racquets were strung and none were close to breaking yet. Well I finally broke some of the VS Touch I had in my mains on one of my 99LS's... Thus I was off to the races with this string.

The string itself was $14.20/set and the shipping for unlimited sets was $3.75. Although it can be had for down to $11 per set if you buy in bulk from the bay. The set comes in two 20' sections both secured with zip ties. This may be a bummer for some who like to do single piece stringing jobs, but is pretty great for those of us who like to do hybrid string setups. However, with the first half-set I strung, there was a lot less remaining when I finished than when I measure 20' from a full set of another string so I have a feeling it's not a full 20' per half-set but it was enough to string the mains all the way through on my 99LS. It comes in a shoddily heat sealed back that was open to the air by the time it came to me.



The gauge was very consistent throughout the entire half-set except for one little piece. It had a tiny little knick taken out of it or something as shown below in the close-up photo. The twisting of the individual fibers is much more apparent on this gut than VS Touch. Overall the quality and consistency was very





Stringing
I own an ATS Super Stringer II, a drop-weight stringer clone. I strung this gut at 54lbs in the mains with Wilson Revolve 16g in the crosses at 52lbs. I strung at 54lbs because the max recommended tension was 54-55lbs and I had heard about some people snapping the string at 57lbs. While stringing, I think I would have been comfortable stringing up to 58lbs, but no higher. This gut seemed to be much stronger than VS Touch, not nearly as fragile so I wasn't nearly as worried about kinks or ghosting. It was very easy to uncoil, no tangling occurred which made avoiding kinking really easy. As I was working with the string, it seemed a lot more sticky than VS Touch, which is a good thing! It definitely seemed like it would grab the ball much better when playing.



This stickiness became very apparent when threading/weaving the crosses through so I will be looking for an even more slick poly cross than Wilson Revolve. Maybe Head Hawk or Signum Pro Poly Plasma Pure...



Overall, I was really pleased with this string while stringing. I was really excited to get out and play with it. With the stringing results being so positive, if the playability comes out good, then we have a real winner here.

Playability
I hit some serves with this string last evening, but finally got out to play with it this morning. I hit some serves, then hit with the wall for an hour and a half.

The first thing I am struck with, with this string, is the extreme power it provides. My serves were popping off at what felt like a 10mph higher average. Whenever I hit right in the sweet spot, the most beautiful ball pop you've ever heard resonated through the courts. This was with my flat serves. As I moved on to slice and kick serves, I was even more impressed. Earlier I said how the string felt sticky... It truly grabs the ball like something crazy. My kick serves were kicking like crazy and my slices were moving across the court dramatically. So yeah, serving felt really good.

Ground strokes were tough to keep under control. It took about 20 shots to finally start to get used to the power this string creates. By the end, with a few adjustments on my strokes to implement more spin, things were feeling pretty good. If you end up buying this string, make sure to spend some tie with it before playing a match because it's power will surprise you.

Overall things were pretty good... So far. However, natural gut is supposed to be the best string on your arm, and that's exactly what I found with VS Touch. Not so much with this natural gut. Don't get me wrong, it's not terrible and it's certainly better than any synthetic gut, poly, or multifilament on the market, but after that hour and a half I was starting to feel it in my wrist and elbow. Thus it is my recommendation not to crank with this string for an hour and a half like I did. Do some light practice and it will be perfect for match play.

Durability
Here is the wear on my strings after that time of intense hitting:



Sweet Spot:


I'm not really that worried about durability. So far it seems to be on par with the VS Touch I had in there previously for durability. However, I am worried about that little knick spot mentioned earlier. It is starting to look a bit worse so I will keep track of it the next couple times I hit.



Just Be Done Already
So, what's the point? This is an amazing string for it's price. I am stoked. I will certainly be buying again, and a lot more this time around, and I suggest you at least give it a try once. I don't know if this is the 'India Gut' that everyone is talking about, but I called the number on their site and some dude name Kyle (maybe Kevin? Can't remember) answered and was very helpful (and easily understandable). Seriously, give this string a try. It's worth it at least once.

I will continue to update this thread with my further experiences and purchases of this string.

Thanks for taking the time to read! I hope this helped some people thinking about trying this string.

Play Happy,
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Okay, so I received my replacement set of 17g instead of 16g and this stuff looks 1000 times better. I think I can actually fit it through the grommets. Unfortunately none of my racquets need a string job right now, but I'm hoping one will soon.

As for the gauge, I compared it with some 15L Tonic+ I have, the 17g NGW is a little bigger in diameter to the 15L Tonic+... So now that I see that the 17g is closer to 15g, then the 16g must be close to 14g... Photos below.

The color looks much better than the 16g, the 17g has more of the translucent tone to it where as the 16g was like gold.





This is the NGW with the 15L Tonic+:


This is the 16g NGW (Top) with the 17g NGW (Bottom):
 

Marty Ace

New User
This is some cheap crap string. If you are lucky enough to string it over 55 lbs without breaking, it will still break on court under 2 hours. I never broke strings in a machine in 20 years of stringing. Do not waist your $ on this string. I recommend Klip 15 l if you are looking for value.
 

LaZeR

Professional
This is some real cheap crappy string. If it doesn’t not break on the machine it breaks on the court in under 2 hours. Do not buy it!!
This is a disservice, exaggeration, and the poster approaches defamation and libel. Hope the parties involved don't take this lying down.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
This is a disservice, exaggeration, and the poster approaches defamation and libel. Hope the parties involved don't take this lying down.
Huh? What alternative universe are you in where this person's opinion "approaches defamation and libel"?
 

whorng

Rookie
First and last time I will buy NGW. Picked up from pro shop last night. Popped today. Didn't even hit with it.
It's possible the stringer messed up, but from the previous comments it tends to pop early or barely last.
 

LaZeR

Professional
This is some cheap crap string. If you are lucky enough to string it over 55 lbs without breaking, it will still break on court under 2 hours. Do not buy it!!
Huh? What alternative universe are you in where this person's opinion "approaches defamation and libel"?
Ah OK, so YOUR word & definition for generalization, lies, and deception, is "opinion"?
 
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CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
This is a disservice, exaggeration, and the poster approaches defamation and libel. Hope the parties involved don't take this lying down.
Not really he's posting his opinion on a public internet forum...if everyone could sue for opinions found on the internet the legal system would implode in 1 hr.

By the way I've seen and hit with this stuff and I think it's garbage as well. It's very unrefined, often has nicks in the string, inconsistent thickness and my friend just tried to string a few sets and it broke on the stringer as well.
 

LaZeR

Professional
Read the entire thread and you'll see that his experience is similar to many regarding this string.
1) You're referring only to: a) "one-off" "experiences", b) narrow/closed-mindedness, c) posters who barely even played with these strings ~ they even wrote the same so how could they remotely have valid opinions(?), and d) their comments might be "similar" but not the "same" as the post in question.

2) How about you ~ did YOU actually "read the entire thread"? Start with the OP. You'll see detailed posts describing the playability at great length after ACTUALLY PLAYING with NGW, testing it out, characteristics, extreme close-up photos, etc.

3) This applies more so to NGW v4, but you can leave these strings on your racquet and play with them literally for MONTHS, even if hybrid with good quality (co)poly, and based on how much you actually play they last a lot longer. How the hell after: a) stringing & playing so many sets, b) excellent, plush, effective results, etc, c) so many years of barely having to re-string, and d) tons of repeat customers, does it make sense to say these strings suck? Can you address this question?

4) We have a "Tennis Buy & Sell" website in my town. I posted old NGW v1 & v2 sets for sale @ $29 each, got lots of inquiries, sold out, and actually made a profit. I was thinking "wtf ~ peeps actually want this OLD sh*t and willing to pay $29 for it"? I stated similar in a post on this thread a long time ago.

5) Cow intestines barely vary, regardless of country, locale, or region. Tennis strings made from them consist of processing & coating which increases costs, and of course the major brands have much more overhead, so they're usually more than double the price of NGW. To elaborate on this, in addition to "VS Touch", Babolat also offers a lower tier Natural Gut called "Tonic" involving less processing, therefore sold at a lower price point. Do you seriously think that for their natural Gut tennis strings companies like Babolat, Wilson, Klip, etc, search the world for the most appropriate cows? If haters grasp this concept, and consider the fact that they could conduct a tiny bit of processing & maintenance on their own, then they'd realize enormous tangible benefits as opposed to "oh noooo there's nicks in this one"!! *Waaahhhh*.

6) I repeat, folks demeaning & disparaging these strings with little basis are describing mostly "one-off" "experiences", exhibiting narrow-mindedness, and barely even played with them. How do we know the latter? Because THEY SAID SO. Helloooo, do some pre-processing, a bit of pre-stretching, and don't crank the hell out of your machine when stringing NG. Bouchard gives us reasons to hate on her, but in this case, you haters are hating just for the SAKE of hating.

7) Despite all of the above, if the seller addresses issues, sends replacements, etc, then what seriously is the big f'n deal? It's not like Babolat racquets where the head flies off the handle, or buying the same Wilson models and specifications are completely off whack between them.
 
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McLovin

Legend
1) You're referring only to: a) "one-off" "experiences", b) narrow/closed-mindedness, c) posters who barely even played with these strings ~ they even wrote the same so how could they remotely have valid opinions(?), and d) their comments might be "similar" but not the "same" as the post in question.

2) How about you ~ did YOU actually "read the entire thread"? Start with the OP. You'll see detailed posts describing the playability at great length after ACTUALLY PLAYING with NGW, its characteristics, photos, etc.

3) This applies more so to NGW v4, but you can leave these strings on your racquet and play with them literally for MONTHS, even if hybrid with good quality (co)poly, and based on how much you actually play they last a lot longer. How the hell after: a) stringing & playing so many sets, b) excellent, plush, effective results, etc, c) so many years of barely having to re-string, and d) tons of repeat customers, does it make sense to say these strings suck? Bet you can't even address that question.

4) We have a "Tennis Buy & Sell" website in my town. I posted old NGW v1 & v2 sets for sale @ $29 each, got lots of inquiries, sold out, and actually made a profit. I was thinking "wtf ~ peeps actually want this OLD sh*t and willing to pay $29 for it"? There's a previous post on this thread from a long time ago stating similar.

5) Cow intestines barely vary, regardless of country, locale, or region. Tennis strings made from them consist of processing & coating which increases costs, and of course the major brands have much more overhead, so they're usually more than double the price of NGW. If haters grasp this concept, and consider the fact that they could conduct a tiny bit of processing & maintenance on their own, then they'd realize enormous tangible benefits. "Oh Noooo there's nicks in this one"!! *Waaahhhh*.

6) I repeat, folks demeaning & disparaging these strings with little basis are describing mostly "one-off" "experiences", exhibiting narrow-mindedness, and barely even played with them. How do we know the latter? Because THEY SAID SO. Helloooo, do some pre-processing, a bit of pre-stretching, and don't crank the hell out of your machine when stringing NG. Bouchard gives us reasons to hate on her, but in this case, you haters are hating just for the SAKE of hating.

7) Despite all of the above, if the seller addresses issues, sends replacements, etc, then what seriously is the big f'n deal? It's not like Babolat racquets where the head flies off the handle, or buying the same Wilson models and specifications are completely off whack between them.
I'd like address a few of you complaints:
  1. I have, on multiple occasions, purchased sets from NGW. I have tried V2, V3 and V4.
  2. In every instance, I have experienced the following multiple times:
    • Inconsistent thickness. When I purchase 17g, I do not expect to see 19g and 14g (not an exaggeration).
    • Breakage on the first pull. And to cut you off before you try to pick me apart, the machine hadn't even made it to the reference tension (which was 50lbs), so 'machine pre-stretching' wasn't to blame.
    • Breakage in the bag the next morning.
    • Breakage after 1 game
  3. I am an experienced stringer, and string natural gut not only for myself, but for over 50% of my customers. In other words, don't try to dismiss this as 'stringer error'. I've only had 1 instance of this happening in my 30 years of stringing, and that was with the bad batch of Pacific Classic that was going around 5 or so years ago.
  4. The seller does not 'send replacements'. I know, because I contacted him after one broke the next morning. There was a long drawn out response about how great his strings were, but the line that turned me off to this stuff forever was:
kevinze2@yahoo.com said:
What I can do because we also have much better customer service I will include a free full set with your next order but I would appreciate a very positive review of our strings on a couple websites.
First, 'replacing' normally does not require another purchase. It means 'what we sent was defective, let us make this right for you NOW'. Second, lobbying for positive reviews is deceitful, and not something I will ever be a part of. If your stuff is superior to every one else's, then positive reviews will flow.​

To finish this up, I am not 'narrow and close minded'. I wanted this string to be all that is was cracked up to be. I am as cheap as you will find (all of my equipment is purchased from clearance racks and 'old new stock'), and do not relish paying over $40 for a pack of natural gut. I will even go so far as to order from overseas to save myself $5 per pack. But this stuff is crap. Maybe V5 will be it? Who knows, but I will no longer be his guinea pig. If he want playtesters, he can contact TW and setup a playtest. Until then, I wouldn't use this stuff even if it was free. Its a waste of my time stringing it, and a waste of my cross-string that is no longer usable because it broke prematurely.

You've been warned...
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
5) Cow intestines barely vary, regardless of country, locale, or region. Tennis strings made from them consist of processing & coating which increases costs, and of course the major brands have much more overhead, so they're usually more than double the price of NGW. If haters grasp this concept, and consider the fact that they could conduct a tiny bit of processing & maintenance on their own, then they'd realize enormous tangible benefits. "Oh Noooo there's nicks in this one"!! *Waaahhhh*.
You do know that Indian "beef" is different than the USA, Australian, New Zealand, Japanese, South American and European varieties, don't you? I mean, you sound like a bovine expert with the above-quoted statement. Perhaps you have conducted extensive bovine intestine comparisons or have some professional expertise on the subject of which we are unaware of.

Indian "cattle" are actually water buffalo, sometimes referred to as carabao in South and Southeast Asia. They are a different genus than cattle. Try eating a water buffalo steak vs something from an actual first-world beef-producing nation. The taste and texture are vastly different because they are substantially different animals.
 
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CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
Maybe V5 will be it? Who knows, but I will no longer be his guinea pig. If he want playtesters, he can contact TW and setup a playtest. Until then, I wouldn't use this stuff even if it was free. Its a waste of my time stringing it, and a waste of my cross-string that is no longer usable because it broke prematurely.

You've been warned...
If a company can't fix these basic issues within 4 iterations do you think a 5th is going to magically be good? Doubt it.
 

LaZeR

Professional
5) Cow intestines barely vary, regardless of country, locale, or region. Tennis strings made from them consist of processing & coating which increases costs, and of course the major brands have much more overhead, so they're usually more than double the price of NGW. To elaborate on this, in addition to "VS Touch", Babolat also offers a lower tier Natural Gut called "Tonic" involving less processing, therefore sold at a lower price point. Do you seriously think that for their natural Gut tennis strings companies like Babolat, Wilson, Klip, etc, search the world for the most appropriate cows? If haters grasp this concept, and consider the fact that they could conduct a tiny bit of processing & maintenance on their own, then they'd realize enormous tangible benefits as opposed to "oh noooo there's nicks in this one"!! *Waaahhhh*.
You do know that Indian "beef" is different than the USA, Australian, New Zealand, Japanese, South American and European varieties, don't you? I mean, you sound like a bovine expert with the above-quoted statement. Perhaps you have conducted extensive bovine intestine comparisons or have some professional expertise on the subject of which we are unaware of. Indian "cattle" are actually water buffalo, sometimes referred to as carabao in South and Southeast Asia. They are a different genus than cattle. Try eating a water buffalo steak vs something from an actual first-world beef-producing nation. The taste and texture are vastly different because they are substantially different animals.
Nice friggin deflection. The short & sweet phrase "Cow intestines barely vary regardless of country" to you constitutes trying to "sound like a bovine expert"?? As well as deserving of that sketchy response? As opposed to digressing into a dissertation of cow gastroenterology, it seems like you completely ignored the majority of the small snippet which is the "main course" (no pun intended) of the sub-topic.

You "do" know that this is a Tennis Forum and the current topic is Natural Gut Tennis STRINGS "don't you"? Given that, how the f does "BEEF" or eating "STEAK" even apply here?? lol

PS >>> perhaps "Canada" should be added to your list.
 
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djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
I've been watching this thread for a long time. I can tell you that I am holding out for a version that seems to produce consistent quality...but it is exhausting (legs cramping, dried salt on my skin, blurred vision, etc). Maybe it's time to un-bookmark this thread.
 

Kingair001

Rookie
I have been reading the comments in the last days
Personally I think if someone purchased and played the most hours with NGW here it definitely will be my family.
I never had one string popped in my bag
Never had one broke over night just sitting there in a tennis bag or next to . . .
And do know that we are in SoCal and it's 115 at the moment

I only had 1 string that broke due to my error while stringing and I got it 'hurt'
I have a drop weight - a Stringway ML100 so not a cheap one at all (you can check the price if you want) btw I LOVE it - the gut slipped while tensioning
Result was that it broke while tensioning it again

I went through NGW versions V2 to V4
How many sets of each . . . no clue but WAY more than the average complainer here . . .
All I can say is that the NGW got better with each version
Some say it did not but I assure you it did !
And know this from a buyer - not a one set buyer / complainer
The only remark I can make is - not about NGW - but that most members / players are trying to find the strings grail as cheap as possible
Some find $ 3.00 to much for a full bed of poly
Just check this forum !
It's everywhere . . .
And than it all starts :
My elbow hurts
My wrist hurts
My shoulder hurts
Well . . . that's what you get from going the cheap route
Most are even complaining they need to spend $ 3.00 for strings
You must be kidding . . .
I see people playing here with racquets that are older than me
Things progress
Don't get stuck in time
The Beatles and the Stones are still ok but so are a lot of the new groups that arrived in the next 50 years !

And do I care from what cows they are made out ?

Anyway I continue to play with NGW

May the Force be with you




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JonnyAbs

Semi-Pro
My review of the Natural Gut Warehouse strings I have tried:

On 7/21/17, I bought 4 different sets to experiment: Red 16g V2, Natural 17g V3, Natural 16g V3, and a just then released Natural 16g V4. Sorry for not posting a review sooner! However, I haven't waited until now to jot down the results. Last year, I did email most of this review to someone who bought one of my racquets that had this gut in it, so this isn't me struggling to remember stuff from a year ago as I did record this but didn't post it.

I did not have a good experience with the Natural 17g V3. From reviews in this thread, I had read that people didn't have the best experience with Black 17g V2, so I was hoping that the kinks were worked out in V3 and that maybe the Natural Color would be better, but both of the half sets snapped while stringing, and pretty early on in the process. I suspect it is because this string is thinner, as I did not have any of my 16g string break while stringing. For reference, I use a Klippermate Drop Weight stringer.

Also, as a strong recommendation, I don't suggest stringing the crosses with gut. Whatever string is opposite the gut does not move. So poly or any strings in the mains do not move well or at all against gut crosses and it is like hitting with a board with no snapback. I wasted a half set of the Natural 16g V4 and Natural 16g V3 by experimenting with them in the crosses and then having to cut them out because it felt awful. Gut mains and poly crosses work well because polys are smooth and the gut mains can move across them and snapback into place.

Also, use 16 gauge poly in the crosses. I tried a setup in my pure drive of the Natural 16g V4 in the mains and kirschbaum max power rough 18 in the crosses and the gut snapped after two hours. It was literally on the last shot of a long match. I think the thin poly cross was too sharp and it sawed away the gut. Using 16 gauge poly in the crosses is best because it is thick and it doesn't saw the gut mains as much. A smooth poly seems to work best but Volkyl Cyclone 16 did very well as a cross in two different racquets.

I had the best experience with Red 16g V2 believe it or not. I strung each half set as the mains in two different PS 97 racquets at 50 pounds with Cyclone 16 as the cross. One of these racquets I sold last year, but the guy I sold it to really liked the setup, as did I when I had that racquet. The other PS 97 I still have and it is still strung with this setup. I stopped using the PS 97s in favor of Pure Drive 2015s last year, but the gut in it is still good and I have hit with it for about 2 hours this past week, in addition to 8 or so last year, so this is holding up well. I am considering actually going back to the PS 97 and buying more of this gut, which finally prompted me to post this review.

I would have done so last year, but like I said, I changed back to the Pure Drives, and this string didn't work so well in the Pure Drive. Also, in the PD, I play best with 17g string, and I didn't have a good experience with the 17g NGW gut, so it was all poly for me in the PDs while I was using them full time.

If you have any questions, let me know.
 

Ahlun

New User
Digging up an old thread but I recently acquired some V4 17G. This will be my first experience with gut, but I was able to string it up in my IGPMP with Kirschbaum PLII crosses @53/48lbs. I don't have anything to compare to, but the string feels sticky/gritty (maybe due to the resin coating?). Taking it out for a hit tonight we'll see how it holds up and performs!
 

LaZeR

Professional
Digging up an old thread but I recently acquired some V4 17G. This will be my first experience with gut, but I was able to string it up in my IGPMP with Kirschbaum PLII crosses @53/48lbs. I don't have anything to compare to, but the string feels sticky/gritty (maybe due to the resin coating?). Taking it out for a hit tonight we'll see how it holds up and performs!
ATTENTION: NEVER TENSION HIGHER THAN 53 - 55 lbs!! Come back here later and report on performance. THANKS!!
 
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