'Natural Gut Wholesale' Review (Stringing and Play)

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
I played today with the blue v5 16 ngw string. It was easy to string and came in two half sets which was plenty to string a full bed with. I ordered two sets and they sent me a set of their poly string too all for less than $35.

I strung my Prince Mono at 53. I normally go 60 but my elbow has been sore and I’ve been trying lower tensions, etc.

I played tonight with it. It was a USTA doubles match and only my first loss of this session which I cannot blame on the string. It was more powerful than my usual synthetic gut/poly hybrid. It made a few of my touch shots off but I’m still not blaming the string. My elbow had zero extra inflammation during or after play so that’s a big plus. I hope to get out and hit more this week.

Stay tuned. My initial reaction is I’d buy more sets.
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
You are correct. The TF Biphase was made to emulate the older VS ribbon Gut that is no longer made however it feels very different. IMHO it stretches more than NG....
Good to know. Anyone else on board with this gut being better than any multi out there?
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
I bought the V5+ and put it in my VCORE 95 with Alu Power crosses. @ 52/49. Will test and post a review afterwards. No issues/complaints from my long time and very experienced stringer.

 

dcheung

Rookie
I bought the V5+ and put it in my VCORE 95 with Alu Power crosses. @ 52/49. Will test and post a review afterwards. No issues/complaints from my long time and very experienced stringer.

Any update for the V5+?

I have been using Klip Legend 16g with soft poly cross for over 15 years and ordered the V5 for a try to see if it is a good alternative. I have 2 Diablo MP strung at similar setting 50/47, one with Klip Legend 16g/ Luxilon Element rough and the other V5 16g/ Luxilon Element rough, picked up on June 8. My stringer commented the V5 was like uncoated ones, quality feel is low and 'might' not last long. The first hit with the V5 was not impressive, boardy but not harsh, have to be more focus when hitting to control and direct the ball, seemed like I have strung it at 60lbs! After 1 hour I have to swap to the one strung with Klip Legend, everything feel right at home and more predictable and play with it for the rest of 2 hours game play.

Since I bought 10 packs so I decided to play exclusively for the next game meeting otherwise the rest will be a waste. Maybe after a couple of days in the bag the tension loosen a bit, it was not as boardy as the first hitting but still boardy, power is significantly less than the Klip Legend so serving suffered a bit, ball bite is decent as can be seen from my back hand slice. So until last night it logged 28 hours of hitting, it started to fray certain points at the centre but strangely no apparent string movements given the 16x18 and 100 sq in. racquet, Klip Legend moved all over the place already at the same hitting mileage as the tension dropped a lot already. Some may say the V5's tension maintenance is good but comparatively the ball cupping is not as good as the Klip Legend. I think it is better than most multi strings at this price point or used as a cross string with poly main. Just curious whether the V5+ will perform near or better than the Klip legend.
 

MixedMaster

Semi-Pro
I've been using V4 and V5 for a little while now since the price was "right" and haven't had much to complain about. I string it with a poly cross and have found it to be plenty powerful, fairly long lasting, and comfy. I strung some V5+ for a friend of mine and he likes it a lot. I broke a string Saturday and strung my Strike 100 with V5+ in the mains and a prince poly in the crosses. I haven't had a chance to hit with it yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully tomorrow or Friday I'll get to hit. I will post my thoughts on the V5+ after I've hit with it a couple of times.
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
All right, I got tons of durability of the V5+, and I attribute it to my VCORE 95. It lasted 20+ hours but I had to cut it out due to the ALU power crosses getting noticeably dead and affecting my game.

It was stiff at first but that could be because I upped the tension from my usual tension. After the initial hit, it was comfortable for the remaining days. Good easy power. Noticeably less spin than full poly but not to a debilitating point. Just the normal hybrid balance. I loved it for serves and overheads. Slices as well. Overall it was great.
 

BretH

Semi-Pro
Looks like someone sourced something more like real gut -the "ATP pro" version. And priced a few $$ less than a trusted name brand. Then offers the normal "V5" which looks exactly like the V4, V3, etc.

Good luck with that
 

BretH

Semi-Pro
Couldn't help myself and had to check...

"YOU MIGHT WONDER WHY WE ARE SELLING SUCH AN EXPENSIVE TOP QUALITY PIECE OF STRING AT SUCH A LOW PRICE COMPARED TO THE BABOLAT OR KLIP BRANDS?? WELL WE STARTED WITH A SMALL TRIAL PROGRAM OF ORDERING STRING FROM OUR CENTER OF MANUFACTURING AND THE DEMAND HAS BEEN AMAZING SO WE HAVE DECIDED TO GROW OUR BUSINESS BY TEAMING UP WITH OUR CENTER OF MANUFACTURING TO HELP MARKET THEIR PRODUCT PRIMARILY IN THE UNITED STATES WHILE STILL EXPANDING OVERSEAS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU RECEIVE A GREAT PRICE AND GET ONE OF THE BEST PERFORMING NATURAL GUTS IN TODAY'S MARKET. OUR QUALITY STRINGS ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE BABOLAT "VS" BRAND AND MANY OTHER TOP BRANDS"

Yep, nothing has changed.
 

MixedMaster

Semi-Pro
I finally got to hit with the V5+ today and decided that I like it. It's powerful and a little stiff at first, but it leveled out after about 40 min. or so. I've never used that particular Prince poly before, but seem to like it. I can't recall the name of it but it's one of their tour strings. Oh and for @dcheung I use 17g.
I don't follow the message board as much as I used to so I'm not quite sure what Breth is talking about. I do know that anytime I can get a very good Nat. Gut string for a good price, I don't care who makes it or where it comes from. Good is Good!!!!
 

dcheung

Rookie
I finally got to hit with the V5+ today and decided that I like it. It's powerful and a little stiff at first, but it leveled out after about 40 min. or so. I've never used that particular Prince poly before, but seem to like it. I can't recall the name of it but it's one of their tour strings. Oh and for @dcheung I use 17g.
I don't follow the message board as much as I used to so I'm not quite sure what Breth is talking about. I do know that anytime I can get a very good Nat. Gut string for a good price, I don't care who makes it or where it comes from. Good is Good!!!!
I think I will try the V5 17g first to see how it performs before deciding whether to move up to V5+. Agreed with your last statement and thanks for the message.
 

blai212

Semi-Pro
I think I will try the V5 17g first to see how it performs before deciding whether to move up to V5+. Agreed with your last statement and thanks for the message.
v5 is uncoated and v5+ is coated so you’re probably better off spending a few more bucks on the v5+...


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MixedMaster

Semi-Pro
Nowhere shows that the V5 is an uncoated product before I order, thanks for the info
The only way I found out was when I strung it for one of my friends. I was still using V5. The V5+ plays really good so far and I'm hoping that tomorrow when I hit again, my 2nd time with the new string job, that it's stretched out a little. It will make if more comfy than it is.
 

struggle

Legend
This stuff was worth a try when it was $10 per set. At current pricing I'll go another direction.

(I'm still sitting on several sets that i got for $10-12 and will use it up, then move to a better string).

Ya'll have fun.
 

donnygg

Rookie
I bought the V5+ and put it in my VCORE 95 with Alu Power crosses. @ 52/49. Will test and post a review afterwards. No issues/complaints from my long time and very experienced stringer.

Physically, those strings do look much better than the earlier versions, which look kinda like crudely twisted twine. Curious to know how they play
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
Physically, those strings do look much better than the earlier versions, which look kinda like crudely twisted twine. Curious to know how they play

I honestly don't believe recreational players can tell much a difference between this and VS. I'm a 4.5 level player that is a total gear junkie (like most of us here), and I only noticed a slightly stiffer play at the beginning but then quickly was great just like VS from then on. Perhaps serious college players, juniors, or 5.0+ could detect more of a difference.

What many people forget here is the simple cost benefit analysis. If someone here truly thinks the difference is so great and their level of competition requires the top tier of natural gut, then by all means spend the extra money. If you want a gut that is better than any multi out there and goes well with your poly, then the V5+ is it. My stringer didn't have any of the issues from the past mentioned on this thread. So at this point, I don't get why people are so adamant about the sourcing or minor differences to top tier gut.
 

jim e

Legend
I honestly don't believe recreational players can tell much a difference between this and VS.
One big difference is using a 16g nat. gut VS can tolerate very high tensions. I string VS at 64 lbs. and have strung players up to 70 lbs. The NTW gut cannot tolerate high tensions.
One of the best benefits of nat. gut is it can tolerate high tensions, as the string plays very nice with good control at relatively high tensions. The cheap stuff cannot tolerate that.
Even Klip uncoated 16g can tolerate high tension without any issues, and comes in a decent price.
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
One big difference is using a 16g nat. gut VS can tolerate very high tensions. I string VS at 64 lbs. and have strung players up to 70 lbs. The NTW gut cannot tolerate high tensions.
One of the best benefits of nat. gut is it can tolerate high tensions, as the string plays very nice with good control at relatively high tensions. The cheap stuff cannot tolerate that.
Even Klip uncoated 16g can tolerate high tension without any issues, and comes in a decent price.

Have you tested V5+ at that tension?
 

jim e

Legend
Have you tested V5+ at that tension?
The site of NGW says max 62 lbs for 16 g. for the V5
V5+ is listed to take up to 65 max.
Klip gut at TW is on sale cheaper than ngw and that gut has history with me stringing at high tensions for number of racquets over a number of years now.
TW has Klip at $22.49 and $23.99 depending on set desired and free 2 day shipping if order enough.Cheap enough for a decent gut string. And it has served me well along with many gut players I string for.
 
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The site of NGW says max 62 lbs for 16 g. for the V5
V5+ is listed to take up to 65 max.
Klip gut at TW is on sale cheaper than ngw and that gut has history with me stringing at high tensions for number of racquets over a number of years now.
TW has Klip at $22.49 and $23.99 depending on set desired and free 2 day shipping if order enough.Cheap enough for a decent gut string. And it has served me well along with many gut players I string for.
Just picked some Klip sets up myself for the first time. Hopefully I get a solid experience :)

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jim e

Legend
Just picked some Klip sets up myself for the first time. Hopefully I get a solid experience :)

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I hit with both the legend coated and uncoated.
I prefer the feel of the uncoated , old school gut feel.
Durability is better with the regular coated. Has little firmer feel.
They are selling at a good price now at TW.
 

McLovin

Legend
I don't follow the message board as much as I used to so I'm not quite sure what Breth is talking about. I do know that anytime I can get a very good Nat. Gut string for a good price, I don't care who makes it or where it comes from. Good is Good!!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, @BretH, but I believe he was noting that the new 'V5+' is in actuality, NOT an NGW gut, but rather a rebranding of someone else's gut (not sure whose).

In other words, don't be fooled into thinking 'V5+' is an upgraded version of 'V5'. It isn't. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. 'V5' is still the same 'ol crap they've been selling the past few years.
 

MixedMaster

Semi-Pro
Correct me if I'm wrong, @BretH, but I believe he was noting that the new 'V5+' is in actuality, NOT an NGW gut, but rather a rebranding of someone else's gut (not sure whose).

In other words, don't be fooled into thinking 'V5+' is an upgraded version of 'V5'. It isn't. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. 'V5' is still the same 'ol crap they've been selling the past few years.
Thank you for the response!!! I could tell it looked a lot like Nat. gut that I've used before, just figured that they either got a manufacturing process similar or had someone making it for them. It reminds me of Klip. It's a good hitting gut as far as I can tell. I've hit with it three times and I'm liking it. I will continue to buy it if it holds up well.
 

BretH

Semi-Pro
Speaking for the "new V5+" offering I guess only you can answer the question whether you want to purchase reliable, time-tested gut from a known brand or a similar gut for about the same price from a company whose marketing practices include making outlandish claims about its product for years and whose quality control with its other Vx gut products, as I can personally attest, appears to be non-existent.
 

MixedMaster

Semi-Pro
Speaking for the "new V5+" offering I guess only you can answer the question whether you want to purchase reliable, time-tested gut from a known brand or a similar gut for about the same price from a company whose marketing practices include making outlandish claims about its product for years and whose quality control with its other Vx gut products, as I can personally attest, appears to be non-existent.
I can't argue your points. They've produced some really bad gut over the years and I can attest to that also. I don't know how they've gotten their new gut but there are times when you can't get Klip and I'm not paying for the higher priced Nat. Gut. I've used Klip for quite a while and like it alot. The NGW version 5 played fairly well and the v5+ seems to play well. I know there are a lot of guys on this board who've used NGW's gut and been happy with it because of the price. Just saying!!
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
Speaking for the "new V5+" offering I guess only you can answer the question whether you want to purchase reliable, time-tested gut from a known brand or a similar gut for about the same price from a company whose marketing practices include making outlandish claims about its product for years and whose quality control with its other Vx gut products, as I can personally attest, appears to be non-existent.

This will probably be my last post.. I think your point is well understood and accepted. The V5+ is different and a quality gut as discussed above in my post and pictures. If people want to use it based on affordability and meeting the minimum bar then I don't see why we shouldn't drop the back and forth on subjective views on the company.

Plus, it's not like NGW is the only tennis company making outlandish claims.. :-D They all do. So the more helpful posts have reviews and pictures. :)
 

dcheung

Rookie
Agreed with @BretH here, I just ordered a dozen of Klip Legend 16g, really a bargain at this discounted price point. As for the V5 I still think its a better option than most multi strings at $15-16 per set for using as main with soft poly cross, at least after 30 hours it still survived even though frayed but not moving a lot like the Klip does with the same setup and strung at the same time. Next I will try using Klip Legend in the main and V5 as cross and see how it goes.
 

BRS1076

New User
Does V5 and V5+ have any issues breaking on the stringer or in the bag like V2? Wouldn't mind trying this stuff again as a hybrid if the overall durability and qc has improved from the early days.
 

onehandbh

Legend
After reading about all the bad batches and experiences here, I feel very lucky.
I bought some NGW gut (16g) back around 2014 or 2015. I strung up my Jack Kramer Pro Staff wood racquet and also my Wilson Pro Staff 85 (green Sampras Autograph edition). At the time I purchased it, the price was just a little over $10. I never purchased any additional sets because the price increased.

I played with the pro staff 85 for the first time yesterday in a doubles match.
I have played with my JK pro staff wood racquet about 8-10x since 2015 and the strings still have not broken.

Now in terms of how it plays? To me it feels like it absorbs a lot of shock and I feel almost no vibration. Very comfy.
I have never played with full gut before. (tried hybrid once with Klip a long time ago but didn't like it). While it feels very cushy, I feel like it doesn't give as much spin in my pro staff 85. In the 85 it definitely added power compared to full synthgut or a hybrid but I missed the extra spin from poly or a poly hybrid.

I also have another prostaff recently strung with VS gut mains and volkl cyclone crosses. Will try it out to compare.
 

MixedMaster

Semi-Pro
Does V5 and V5+ have any issues breaking on the stringer or in the bag like V2? Wouldn't mind trying this stuff again as a hybrid if the overall durability and qc has improved from the early days.
In the past year or so I've strung approximately 10 to 15 rackets with V4, V5, and V5+, and I have not had one problem with it during stringing or in the bag. None of the people that I string for have had any complaints. I'm using V5+ and a shaped cross and I'm enjoying it. Good power and control and really good comfort.
 

tennisbike

Semi-Pro
Strung NGW 16G main with Kirschbaum Max Power 1.30 @ 55/50 lbs on Prince TT Warrior OS. Found it to be stiff but still powerful. After a 2-set doubles match and a wall session found tension dropped about 10%, i.e. main 40->36lb; cross: 33->31. This is the third NGW/poly I strung and in all three cases the SM number dropped about the same in the first 5 hrs or so. But the last one stay at 30/30 forever. I do hope this one stay higher to have a little better control.

I think it is a good idea to string a little high and hope the tension drop and hold to your sweet spot.

I wonder if Legend/poly string up and lose tension initially the same way. Too bad, few people on the forum use SM like I do.
 

McLovin

Legend
Apologies if this has been clarified/answered already, but is there really a difference between V5 and V5+?
Yes. As I mentioned before, V5 is the same 'ol crap NGW has been selling for years (e.g., inconsistent gauge, breaks regularly either on the machine or in the bag, etc.).

V5+ seems to be a repackaging of another brand's gut (my guess would be rejects from another brand, but that's 100% pure speculation on my part).

Personally I'd stay away from this and other generic brands, especially when you can get trusted gut from KLIP for a few $ more. In fact, Volkl gut is on sale at TW right now for $27/pack.

If you want to give it a shot, then do so knowing that you're taking a huge risk. As I posted a few pages back, I tried this gut a couple of times, and the end result was the same: 17g gut that ranged in thickness from 19g to 15L (not an exaggeration), half of the sets snapped on the first pull, and of the half that made it off the machine, half of those snapped either in the bag or after the first set (Note that I almost NEVER break gut/poly when using any of the name brands).

So not only did I lose $ by them breaking before I got to play with them, I also lost personal time stringing, as well as the $ from the poly cross string that was brand new.

And to clarify, I've been stringing natural gut for over 20 years (started back in the Kevlar/gut days), so I'm 'somewhat familiar' with the intricacies of it all.
 

WilPro

New User
I bought the V5+ and strung for the first time today. I strung it at 60 lbs with no problems. It looks really well at this point. I have it in my racket for just three days so it's still to be determined.
I totally don't understand why some people are going to the moon and back against a brand and in favor of another.
Babolat VS Touch is on the way and I'll compare. The thing is I have to pay custom taxes in Europe for Nat gut wholesale from US and with custom taxes it's about the same price as Babolat VS Touch. So, I'll stick to Babolat. Didn't use Babolat yet. I'll see soon how does it compare. Also not sure how natural gut is working for me. :)
 
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WilPro

New User
I heard people who said they had trouble to get used to natural gut so I was a bit nervous. There was no reason for that. Natural gut plays like a dream. It was love at first sight. Serves were a joy. Natural gut gave me so much confidence I hit good serves even with the frame. Natural gut rules.
 
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Have played for 5+ hours with NGW (V5+) 16g main x Dunlop S-Gut 16g crosses - 55x53, in PK KiQ+ Tour (325 - Seppi) 18x20. Also a side by side comparison with 16g VS touch x Dunlop S-gut. 5.0, heavy top spin baseliner. Here is my review:
1. Customer service - exceptional.
2. Stringing. String came as 2 x 20ft pieces which is ideal. String seemed a bit stiffer than VS but much easier to work with - didnt kink or knot up as readily as VS. When pre-stretching there was definitely less 'give' than VS. Stringing was a breeze (Prince Neos lockout).
3. Day 1 hitting (2.5+ hrs). Setup seemed a bit stiffer than the VS setup, but still plenty of comfort, control, spin. Felt like I could take full cuts at the ball without the fear of over-hitting. Almost wished I had strung it a couple of pounds looser. Launch angle seemed a tad higher than with VS. A bit less comfy/plush than VS but did not bother my GE even once. Fraying almost non-existent after 2.5hrs of heavy hitting - opponent was a 5.0, former Big 10 player.
4. Day 2 hitting (2.5+ hrs). Setup seemed to have settled in and was much softer than the initial session. Tension may have gone down a tad, but there was still plenty of control. It was now playing closer to the VS setup, maybe a tad stiffer. One advantage of the VS is that it just seems more consistent off the stringer and throughout its life, with barely any noticeable variability in feel. Still no issues with GE, with full out hitting and serving. Noticed minor fraying but nothing like with the VS.

Hope this is somewhat helpful!
 

perh4ps

New User
Just bought 2 sets of the V5, one in natural and in one black. I had one racquet strung with the natural colored one in the mains. My tennis shop called me because in one area the gut frayed and the filaments broke (about half the width of the string) while on the stringing machine. They didn’t want to take the risk of stringing it and make me pay a string job that wouldnt’t last and I understand that.

Tried to solve this issue with Kevin and the answer I got is: it’s normal with this lightly coated gut and blah blah blah.

I’ve strung racquets and gut for 5+ years in the past. It’s not normal. I gave my tennis shop the black one to try in the mains and we’ll see what happens. Btw the black one was had much more coating on it than the natural color. Quality and consistency seems to be an issue.

I’m not really impressed with the strings and customer service so far... it sucks because I don’t have access to Klip or Vokl in Canada and I was looking for a more affordable gut than VS. I will not buy again.
 

WilPro

New User
I didn't even consider anything else other than V5+ which is really good. I also use Babolat VS Touch and I can say the V5+ does compare in terms of quality.

I don't get it why people want to go as low as 14$. What you get for that money is scrap. You get what you pay for.
 

perh4ps

New User
I didn't even consider anything else other than V5+ which is really good. I also use Babolat VS Touch and I can say the V5+ does compare in terms of quality.

I don't get it why people want to go as low as 14$. What you get for that money is scrap. You get what you pay for.
So you saw a big difference with the V5+??
 

WilPro

New User
So you saw a big difference with the V5+??
Yeah. Absolutely. I strung it pretty high without a problem, 27kg. And I felt like I could go higher easily.
Also I used Kirschbaum Max Power Rough in the crosses. You know, it's a rough string, you could easily damage the natural gut if you don't take precautions.

And I had no problem stringing it and I string for only 1 year. I don't have your level of experience and still did it without a problem.

I think if you want something good you should not go lower than that.
I only seen pictures of their other stuff they sell and instantly said NO. I think the "quality" of their other stuff is visible from the pictures. You don't have to be a genius to see that.

I think you will be pretty happy with V5+.
 

perh4ps

New User
So little update. My shop had no problem stringing the black in the mains. I will be hitting with it later today do we’ll see how it goes.

Did anyone else use the V5 AND the V5+?Did you notice a big difference with the quality, consistency and playability? Since the black gut looks fine, Im hesitating in trying the V5+, I’m still looking for an alternative for the expensive VS gut and it seems like it is the only other option available for Canada.
 
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