Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by anointedone, Oct 4, 2007.
So now she is at the point she admits she was doped, and lied about it for years including to grand jury. However she is still claiming she didnt do it knowingly (yeah right). Atleast she is willing to tell most of the truth now.
Was that the same guy who was her husband?
No. Her husband was the shot putter C.J Hunter.
who was also a doper
Seriously- flax seed oil? Isn't that same excuse Barry Bonds used?
After this Jones case is wrapped up it was reported that the feds will next turn their attention on our man Barry "The Unnatural" Bonds.
Flax seed oil indeed. I can't wait to see Barry tap dance his way out of this.
i think everyone has known all along that US sprinters have been using performance enhancing drugs for quite a while. that includes Florence Griffith Joyner (who smartly retired immediately after clearing a test, and later died), Carl Lewis, and all those who followed.
Most of these have actually been caught for minor violations like using diuretics and masking agents (or claiming their cold medication had something in it) and either been suspended for v short periods or just let off rather easily. Another name comes up, Butch Reynolds.
it usually starts with their swearing to God that they never doped, and wanting to sue the IAAF (or whatever) due to emotional devastation etc, and then finally years later they admit it.
I feel sorry for her teammates who were on the 1600m relay. They may end up losing their gold medals as a result of this.
sorry to be so -ive. but what makes you so sure they were clean.
That's a very broad brush you are using to smear an entire group. I wasn't aware that Carl Lewis and Florence Griffith Joyner had been convicted of doping. Where is your proof?
What about Michael Johnson,Edwin Moses,ect.?
Maybe you should rethink your accusations until you have more than just your prejudices to go on.
Biggest problem is the lack of consistency between governing bodies in their punishments and how long they last.I can't remember the athlete but I was in Miami in '96 just before the Atlanta games, an American sprinter was caught with a masking agent in his system after he missed a drug test.The US athletics people banned him for the same period of time as was left in the run up to the Olympics so he could still compete whilst they could say they punished him, which I thought was shocking.The UK athletics board banned two athletes a female sprinter and a male tri-athlete (think that's correct-can't find the article)because they missed 2 or 3 tests over a period of 2 years.Apparantly they were both "tested clean" within 24 hours or so each time.However if you miss 3 tests you get banned and if you are banned for a drug offence then you have an automatic ban from all Olympic competitions!I think they'll probably appeal but it sends out the right message don't you think?
If they were clean, then the IAAF can use a new method that has never been done before; they cut quarter of each medal's gold, so that the other three runners can retain their prize and exclude the fourth-one that didn't deserve it.
Yeah, I wonder if Barry is stressing over what Marion Jones may have told them in exchange for a reduced prison sentence.
i admit having made broad accusations. nope, i did not include edwin moses in that list. but yes, we dont know how deep it goes and how far back.
i don;t intend smearing a group, but lets just say its my opinion. i was a track athlete, saw a lot of drugs being used. high enough numbers for you to really wonder about the few left.
many respected people (cant recall now, UK athlete, Linford Christie), tall, african origin, even he was charged and admitted but got let off with a light sentence.
in many cases the sentence is such that you can compete in the next Olympics.
Did you follow FloJo's career? How from an also ran, she suddenly began running men;s timings. and then retired suddenly.
Had Ben Johnson retired after his '87 world record (iirc) i dont think anyone would have known what he was into.
I know thats not proof, but this is no court either.
its long back, i can't remember about Carl Lewis exactly. fine, if you are offended i take it back.
but i still maintain that many went undetected. how many and how far back, we will never know.
US drug programs are way ahead of detection techniques. people in the IAAF have said that.
You know, for me the Floyd Landis thing, for some reason, hit me pretty deep.
This hurts as well for some reason. I'm going to give up on following the major leaguers, and concentrate more on the minor leaguers, amateurs, local folks.
Forget this nitpicking about whether or not the rules make sense: it's a matter of honesty in competition, in respect for what you're doing: the sport, the competition. . . and respect for your opponents and audiences.
It's a damn shame. I guess it was the right thing to do to admit to it, but it ruined her career. Her life will never be the same.
It's a shame.I hope they remove her medals.
I can't say I feel sorry for her in any way considering how vigorously she denied using roids. She even sued Victor Conte for $25 million and forced him to spend a lot of money defending himself.
It looks like the IOC has a pickle on their hands regarding one of her golds, the one in the marquee event of all she won, the womens 100 metre gold, should she be stripped of her medals:
They are going to.
When are they going to start the steroid Olympics, where athletes can take all kinds of chemicals in their bodies, without restrictions? You'll see track runners running the 100 under 5 sec.
I didnt realize that wasnt already what they had. The key is simply to not get caught. If you are one of the rare ones who stays clean in those kind of sports, forget it, you will be left in the dust. If you are extremely talented and dedicated you might get 17th place at the Olympics.
this is a very complicated situation now with Thanou.You know,what happened on that night of the 13th August,was never cleared..Thanou is now back in the track..I think that she was convicted not for the actual dobbing but for evading dobbing.Which of course,in the end means the same thing..I don't see though,any way of avoiding handing her the medal.
How many little girls had posters of Marion Jones on their walls a few years ago? The most pathetic part is that she is still lying. She said she took it without knowing what it was. She also admits that her coach told her not to tell anyone about it. So either she is impossibly stupid, or she is just a terrible liar.
I think you are right. I think they will look for a loophole to get out of it, but I dont think they will be able to avoid giving Thanou the gold medal for Sydney.
What happened in Athens is bizarre beyond belief, but it is obvious what was happening there. I am surprised she even bothered to come back.
Yes,their coach Tzekos was sentenced for handling and selling illegal substances in his gym.But Thanou and Kenteris,claimed that they had nothing to do with that,and went to trial.They also found some kind of witnesses to the "accident".It was a huge scandal because the next day,Kenteris was supposed to light the Olympic flame in the Stadium and Thanou be one of the last,ehh flame-carriers.But because of the importance of the period,it was in a way "burried" by the media,and we came back to that after August,when the spirits were calmer.Still here many ppl are not convinced that they were guilty and most don't know what to believe.
That's a sad sad sad situation for IOC.Tragelafic.
At the 1972 Munich Olympics the Australian sprinter, Raylene Boyle, finished second (winning silver) in both the 100 and 200 metres. The winner, Renate Stecher, was proven to have used steroids yet Boyle has never received the gold medals she should have had. There's the precedent for them not awarding the gold, or any medal, retrospectively.
As to Jones' claim she unwittingly took the drugs, in 2004 her ex-husband, C.J CJ Hunter stated under oath that he had, on a number of occasions, injected her with a host of banned substances (and saw Jones inject herself) prior to the Sydney Olympics. Most people assumed that was just sour grapes (and it still could be) but, given her admission, it's a lot harder to dismiss.
Also remember that while she was still in high school Jones missed an out-of-competition drug test when it was claimed the package (test) was misplaced by a coach. She was exonerated but, regardless of whether she was innocent or not, now it just adds to the suspicion. That she was represented by Johnnie Cochran (yep, that Johnnie Cochran) also seems kind of prophetic.
Given that Jones met and married her first husband when he was a track coach at UNC, you do have to wonder just how long she was really doping (as opposed to how long she said she'd been doing it).
Have the medals been redistributed yet?
No.I think they postponed it for after December.
I wouldn't be surprised if over 50% of baseball players were taking performance enhancing drugs in the 90's. More and more names will come out, just watch.
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