Navratilova did say this

Yours!05

Professional
Time for Sharapova to get her priorities right

Martina Navratilova
Tuesday June 21, 2005
The Guardian

Yesterday nothing happened - all the favourites went through and there were no major surprises. The big unknown for me is what shape Venus and Serena Williams and Kim Clijsters are in.
They are all possible contenders and Maria Sharapova has not been impressive this year. She should have won the Australian Open but let that slip away; on the hard courts after that she was not that great and she was below par on clay. She says that grass is her favourite, but we haven't seen the proof this year.
She surprised everyone last year but now everyone is gunning for her and everything becomes harder. Perhaps I underestimate her and her desire to win but for me Justine Henin-Hardenne is the favourite and Serena the second favourite because she wants to win so badly. Plus she is the fastest, most powerful and best athlete.
Serena has not been playing - she says she sprained an ankle but can it be that bad? I had lots of sprained ankles but once it got better it stayed better. It seemed to me that she thought to herself that she couldn't win the French Open and so she decided she wouldn't go.

Serena and Venus fell back and everyone caught up. They were out of the game because they were injured at the same time, and Venus is playing nothing like the kind of tennis she was five years ago. Serena won the Australian Open this year but that was by sheer luck because when you're three match-points down, you can lose to anyone.

Apart from that, she's done nothing in the past couple of years - she won the Nasdaq 100 last year and then she had more problems and didn't win Wimbledon.

Serena has confidence, but the game has caught up with her. We know about Serena's fashion designs and her acting career; she's spending a lot of time on that and she's not been putting in the time on her tennis. We can see from how Clijsters and Amélie Mauresmo have come through that they have the talent and that they want it.

Like Venus and Serena, though, Maria Sharapova considers herself "part athlete, part businesswoman", but you can't have two careers.

There is a way of managing it and in fact the bigger name you are, the less time people expect of you. You can do one photo session and they use the images everywhere. That will take one, two or three days and so if you have three main endorsements, it's 10 days of your time each year, finish the photoshoot and you're done with it.

Interviews and photo layouts take longer. If you do a Vogue cover it takes all day and you don't get paid for that, but it raises your profile. So you have to make a decision about what you want to do and you have to make sure that it doesn't interfere with your training and your tour schedule.

Maria became a big star overnight after winning Wimbledon last year, and life changes forever. People say she has become irascible and irritable in interviews but she should remember that if she hadn't won Wimbledon, people would not fawn over her as much. If you don't back it up - and Maria has not - people lose interest.

Whether she is burned out or not, we will only know if she says so. The fact is that you are in the game because you want to be No1, and you want to win Wimbledon, and to be the best you can be.

If that happens, the money will come. You shouldn't chase the money, you should chase the potential in yourself.

Of course if you do win, it becomes more difficult to keep your feet on the ground. Everyone says, "You're this and you're that," and it is easy as a tennis player to tie your self-worth and your ego to how you do on court. You can fall into that trap.

There were times when I didn't have time to do things and I would be dismissive. But I know that everyone is worth the time if they're nice. I try to deal with people on how they behave, not on who they are.

It will be interesting to see how things work out for her if she doesn't win this year. If not, someone will take some of her thunder.

If she doesn't defend her title here she becomes just one of the top-10 players of the past 12 months. If she wins, though, it's huge: she's defended her title and that's a great achievement.
 

RafaN RichardG

Semi-Pro
i think martina said everything right, and was fair at the same time. i only disagree with the comment that she said serena thought she couldnt win the french.....i think she probably doubtet her chances, and said to herself she might as well wait for the one she likes-wimbledon

i hope all three of the players she mentioned get their acts together show that they can play at their full abilities
 

tennissavy

Hall of Fame
I especially agree with Martina regarding Serena's non injury issue and pulling out of the French because of a lack of self belief on the clay.

As usual Martina is not afraid of speak her mind. Good for her.
 

AndrewD

Legend
Pete Sampras, speaking of his good friend Tim Henman, said that the reason he hadn't succeeded at Wimbledon was that he doesn't have the "single-minded focus that I did". I'm pretty sure that's what Navratilova is referring to. Id say that she believes, as Sampras did, that you need to have tunnel vision and not allow outside influences to in any way interfere with your game. These days there are more possibilites (and potential distractions) open to Sharapova and other girls so maintaining focus can be difficult. However, it is the halmark of a champion.

Guess we'll find out soon.
 
mn says maria is not focused but she picks serena as a favorite? henin, the favorite at wimby? these statements say it all? mn has rocks in her head. i see a lot of envy in her statements. maria will easily surpass mn in endorsement earnings. mn was simply not very marketable. like, how many times did mn do the cover of vogue? lol. maria just turned 18 and shes #2 in the world, but thats not impressive? how stupid. maria has wins over every top player. how old was mn when she first won wimby? 22? how many matches did mn choke away before winning wimbledon? how manys cameras did she push in reporters faces? and maria's competition is much tougher than mn's ever was. mn never had to deal with being tennis's glamour girl.

maria should be happy mn is not picking her to win wimby. mn is predictions are rarely right. maria's head is more together now than mn's ever was. maria's career is well ahead of schedule. unlike mn, maria is also a good example for young female tennis players coming up.
 

TigerTennis

New User
wildbill88AA said:
mn says maria is not focused but she picks serena as a favorite? henin, the favorite at wimby? these statements say it all? mn has rocks in her head. i see a lot of envy in her statements. maria will easily surpass mn in endorsement earnings. mn was simply not very marketable. like, how many times did mn do the cover of vogue? lol. maria just turned 18 and shes #2 in the world, but thats not impressive? how stupid. maria has wins over every top player. how old was mn when she first won wimby? 24? how many matches did mn choke away before winning wimbledon? how manys cameras did she push in reporters faces? and maria's competition is much tougher than mn's ever was. mn never had to deal with being tennis's glamour girl.

maria should be happy mn is not picking her to win wimby. mn is predictions are rarely right. maria's head is more together now than mn's ever was. maria's career is well ahead of schedule. unlike mn, maria is also a good example for young female tennis players coming up.

You're SO right! I mean, really, who wants to win HUNDREDS of titles on tour and be known as one of the best EVER to play the game. Sharapova DEFINITELY shouldnt strive to be like Martina. Honestly, who wants to have to worry about where to put their 21st Wimbledon title.
 
martina's personal life has always been a wreck, don't care how titles mn has won. tennis has always been martina life, even to this day. i would rather have maria as a friend or daughter over martina anyday. maria is currently ahead of martina's pace, by winning wimby at 17. do you think if maria had g a y lover it would improve her tennis? and no, i don't think encouraging young woman to become g ay, or using steroids are desireable traits.
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
martina is a outsider, was never accepted by fans/press until later in her career after chris evert retired, she is the complete antitheses of maria. there might be a tiny bit of jealousy, maria is making 20+MIL/yr after winning one big tournament. has martina ever made over 20MIL/yr? even after her 10th wimbledon win i think it was still hard for her to get a clothing deal she was making her own clothes or something.

its probly harder for cheerleader looking players to excel in tennis becuz they have more distractions to worry about. martina i dont think had as many distractions/offers so it was easier for her to focus on tennis
 

Exile

Professional
wildbill88AA said:
mn says maria is not focused but she picks serena as a favorite? henin, the favorite at wimby? these statements say it all? mn has rocks in her head. i see a lot of envy in her statements.
Everyone makes statements about favorites for any tournament, whether they are right or wrong is only in the eye of the beholder, JHH just might make it this year, then again, maybe not.

wildbill88AA said:
maria will easily surpass mn in endorsement earnings.
Who cares? I don't know about you, but we play tennis around here, not 'let's put our name on what we can for a quick million"

wildbill88AA said:
mn was simply not very marketable. like, how many times did mn do the cover of vogue?
Who cares if she was marketable? Since when in the world of tennis did a player's value matter more than the game? You are missing the forest for the trees man.

wildbill88AA said:
lol. maria just turned 18 and shes #2 in the world, but thats not impressive? how stupid. maria has wins over every top player.
That is impressive but she does NOT have wins over every top player.
Hell, she hasn't even PLAYED some of the top players, and in addition to that, she has a losing record with a few of them.

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/PlayerActivity.asp?PlayerID=310137

Look at the tournaments she plays, then look at the result.

She has just been playing a bunch of the lesser known players and once she gets to a little trouble no amount of grunting gets her out of the hole.
Of course she does get a win from there every now and again from higher ups, no one ALWAYS loses those kinds of matches.
She has one slam, the year end title, and a few of the other warm up tournaments.

wildbill88AA said:
how old was mn when she first won wimby? 24? how many matches did mn choke away before winning wimbledon? how manys cameras did she push in reporters faces? and maria's competition is much tougher than mn's ever was. mn never had to deal with being tennis's glamour girl.
That's how she got to where she was, she didnt care about the outside world. Everyone has mental problems, it's just how you deal with it, you can't blame someone for having a little jitters before a match, or letting all the pressure of past years get to you. The game was also completly different back then. If your idea of competition is a bunch of no names with the occasional clijsters, davenport, seles, capriatti, then yes, she does have the most 'competition' in this era. But if she rarely plays the top players and loses more than she wins, in addition to that precious one slam then she has long way to go.

wildbill88AA said:
maria should be happy mn is not picking her to win wimby. mn is predictions are rarely right. maria's head is more together now than mn's ever was. maria's career is well ahead of schedule. unlike mn, maria is a good example for young female tennis players coming up.
As far as predictions go, predicting someone to win a tournament is like playing the lottery.
And as far as good examples go, selling your body for endorsements, grunting obnoxiously, becoming a sex kitten before an actual foundation for a career has begun and still having so much to prove is not a good idea for the younger female players.

Stop overhyping sharapova and there will be less threads like this.
maria gets overhyped then loses to JHH or davenport, hell even myskina has her number! If she wins here, great, but if her career being ahead of schedule means beating serena williams twice, for wimby, again for the season ender(losing the other 2 meetings), then losing to JHH, clijsters, seles, davenport and everyone else of their talent and skill, then she still has a lot to prove.
 

Terre Battu

Rookie
Tennis Tennis Tennis

Since this is tennis I don't see why we need to go to 'personal lives'.
Although I sympathize with family issues affecting performance, judging a player’s character based on their sexual orientation or relationships off court is absolutely absurd.

Would it be fair if I judged your character based on what goes on in your bedroom?

As far as this is concerned, your success in your sport is based on your commitment and your desire to WIN.
 

AJK1

Hall of Fame
Last year after the FO Martina said Myskina was the best of the Russians and she would dominate blah blah. Myskina has since done nothing, so as you can see, Martina is not that accurate in her statements. She has also got it wrong with Henin this year.She seems to get it wrong a lot!
 

Deuce

Banned
Gee, 'Bill... if Sharapova accomplishes even half the things Navratilova did on the tennis court... well, come to think of it, that's just too wild a premise to even contemplate.

Suffice to say that it'll never happen. Not in this lifetime, or any other.

Next time you visit your friendly neighborhood variety store, you might want to purchase some much needed perspective.
 

Tim Tennis

Professional
Well, after reading the whole thing I have to say I liked this line the best, "you should chase the potential in yourself."

You got to love it.
 

RafaN RichardG

Semi-Pro
exactly, and not get distracted. also i DONT think she said the things about maria because of her lack of attention. i think what she said was accurate, but some arent willing to accept it about there beloved maria. and yet so many say the same things about the w. sisters hmmm. personally i think all she said was true.....and she never said sharapova wouldnt win, or that she wasnt impressive--regarding some previous posts
 

RafaN RichardG

Semi-Pro
big ted said:
martina is a outsider, was never accepted by fans/press until later in her career after chris evert retired, she is the complete antitheses of maria. there might be a tiny bit of jealousy, maria is making 20+MIL/yr after winning one big tournament. has martina ever made over 20MIL/yr? even after her 10th wimbledon win i think it was still hard for her to get a clothing deal she was making her own clothes or something.

its probly harder for cheerleader looking players to excel in tennis becuz they have more distractions to worry about. martina i dont think had as many distractions/offers so it was easier for her to focus on tennis
i dont think many made that much in her time.....
however i agree with you in there werent so many distractions....and it is hard with the media and pressure to get caught up in other things
 
Exile said:
Everyone makes statements about favorites for any tournament, whether they are right or wrong is only in the eye of the beholder, JHH just might make it this year, then again, maybe not..
jhh was out in the first round. hows life on the moon?


Who cares? I don't know about you, but we play tennis around here, not 'let's put our name on what we can for a quick million".

Who cares if she was marketable? Since when in the world of tennis did a player's value matter more than the game? You are missing the forest for the trees man
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last time i checked, people play pro tennis for the money.


That is impressive but she does NOT have wins over every top player.
Hell, she hasn't even PLAYED some of the top players, and in addition to that, she has a losing record with a few of them.
she does have wins over nearly every top player ,as well as, a winning records. of course some of her matches were when she was 15.

Look at the tournaments she plays, then look at the result.

She has just been playing a bunch of the lesser known players and once she gets to a little trouble no amount of grunting gets her out of the hole.
Of course she does get a win from there every now and again from higher ups, no one ALWAYS loses those kinds of matches.
She has one slam, the year end title, and a few of the other warm up tournaments. .
she won two of the 5 major events last year. don't know was else to tell u.


That's how she got to where she was, she didnt care about the outside world. Everyone has mental problems, it's just how you deal with it, you can't blame someone for having a little jitters before a match, or letting all the pressure of past years get to you. The game was also completly different back then. If your idea of competition is a bunch of no names with the occasional clijsters, davenport, seles, capriatti, then yes, she does have the most 'competition' in this era. But if she rarely plays the top players and loses more than she wins, in addition to that precious one slam then she has long way to go.
try doing a little research. you forgot henin, serena, venus. didn't know seles was still playing. go check sharapovas head to heads, especially over the last year.
 

Exile

Professional
wildbill88AA said:
jhh was out in the first round. hows life on the moon?
Do I have to use the <sarcasm> tags with you too?
She was injured, played no warm ups, it was an example, just a thrown in name to prove a point of how predictions go bad ALL THE TIME.

wildbill88AA said:
last time i checked, people play pro tennis for the money.
Yeah, thats what they do.
They don't play lets make a deal, they play tennis.


wildbill88AA said:
she does have wins over nearly every top player ,as well as, a winning records. of course some of her matches were when she was 15.she won two of the 5 major events last year. don't know was else to tell u.
try doing a little research. you forgot henin, serena, venus. didn't know seles was still playing. go check sharapovas head to heads, especially over the last year.
The reason I'm not going by the h2h list is because a lot of the people she has played don't show up there and i have to do it manually.

According to this, sharapova got double bagled by davenport at indian wells this year
but is 2-1
0-1 against capriati.
0-3 against clijsters
1-3 against myskina
1-1 against schnyder
0-2 against mauresmo
2-2 against s.williams
1-0 against n petrova
1-2 against JHH

Those are most of the top players, i dont see many wins or winning records.
Don't know what else to tell you.
 

ezdude1970

Semi-Pro
Navratilova sounds like an angry jealous Lebanese here, Maria would be stupid not to take advantage of all the endorsement deals and all the Cash that is coming her way. Navratilova was a freak of nature, great player no question about it. However, there is only one Martina and there are millions of players that have a 4-5 years of productive tennis. Therefore, there is no shame in taking advantage of your good looks, and if you have a game to back it up more power to you. Don’t blame Maria, blame the society.
 
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According to this, sharapova got double bagled by davenport at indian wells this year
but is 2-1
0-1 against capriati.
0-3 against clijsters
1-3 against myskina
1-1 against schnyder
0-2 against mauresmo
2-2 against s.williams
1-0 against n petrova
1-2 against JHH

Those are most of the top players, i dont see many wins or winning records.
Don't know what else to tell you.
great exile you've included matches when maria was 15-16 years old. now try looking over the last 12 months. she's number 2 in the world(soon to be 1), won 2 of the 5 major events in 2004. has beaten serena and lindsay 2 of the last three times, owns venus, kuznetsova, and the rest of the russians, and jhh can win on clay, but thats it. can't make it any plainer for you.

here i'll help you: since 6-2004 (not bad for a 17 year old)

davenport 2-1
s willimams 2-1
myskina 1-1
kuznetsova 2-0
dementieva 2-0
zonereva 2-1
jhh 1-2(loses both on clay)
j cap 0-0
clisjters 0-1 (o ya, there match in that hurricane)
mauresmo 0-1 (a meaningless loss in the year end championship that maria eventually won)
 

Exile

Professional
Straight from the wta website.

Year 2004
AO
R of 32 Loss to Myskina 6-4 1-6 6-2

Pan Pacific
R of 16 loss to HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA 7-6 6-1

Memphis
Semifinal loss to ZVONAREVA, VERA 7-6 6-2

Indian Wells
Round of 16 loss to Myskina 6-2 6-1

Miami
Round of 16 loss to S Williams 6-4 6-3

Berlin
Round of 16 loss to CAPRIATI, JENNIFER 5-7 6-4 6-1

Rome
Round of 16 loss to FARINA ELIA, SILVIA 7-6 6-0

FO
Quarterfinal loss to SUAREZ, PAOLA 6-1 6-3

Birmingham
Winner vs GOLOVIN, TATIANA 4-6 6-2 6-1

wimby
Winner vs S williams 6-1 6-4

San Diego
Quarterfinal loss to Myskina 7-5 6-2

Montreal
Round of 16 Loss to ZVONAREVA, VERA 4-6 6-4 6-4

New Haven
Get a bye then loses to WASHINGTON, MASHONA LAKUTA Round of 32 6-3 2-6 6-2

USO
Round of 32 loss to Mary Pierce 4-6 6-2 6-3

Bejing
Semifinal loss to KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA 6-2 6-2

Seoul
winner vs DOMACHOWSKA, MARTA 6-1 6-1

Tokyo
winner vs WASHINGTON, MASHONA LAKUTA 6-0 6-1

Zurich
Loss in finals to MOLIK, ALICIA 4-6 6-2 6-3

PHILADELPHIA
Semifinal loss to MAURESMO, AMELIE W/O

TOUR CHAMPIONSHIPS
Winner vs Serena williams 4-6 6-2 6-4


2005

AO
Semifinal loss to Serena Williams 2-6 7-5 8-6

Tokyo
Winner vs Davenport 6-1 3-6 7-6(5)

Doha
Winner vs Alicia Molik 4-6 6-1 6-4

Indian wells
gets Pwned by davenport in semi 6-0 6-0

Miami
Finals Loss to Clijsters 6-3 7-5

Berlin
quarterfinal loss to JHH 6-2 6-4

Rome
Semifinal loss to SCHNYDER, PATTY 3-6 6-3 6-1

FO
quarter final loss to JHH 6-4 6-2

Then wins birmingham against JANKOVIC, JELENA 6-2 4-6 6-1

Look at all those losses to those people, then look at the people she actually beats, some no names and then gets lucky twice against S williams, that's not saying much.
Have you seen her lately? She is a mental case! What else do I have to show you?
 

RafaN RichardG

Semi-Pro
if she were the best, shed be #1, it was probably because she made a lot of accomplishments....and a lot of people started to like her
"The WTA Tour Awards are selected by ballot by either the media (indicated by M next to the award), the players (P), WTA Tour (WTA) or tournaments (T). The 2004 awards will be selected in early 2005."
 
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Gary Britt

Guest
Tim Tennis said:
Well, after reading the whole thing I have to say I liked this line the best, "you should chase the potential in yourself."

You got to love it.
And that's exactly why I stopped being a fan of Serena and Venus. I don't yet see any signs of Sharapova not being devoted full-time to tennis and being the best she can be, unlike Serena and Venus.

It seemed to me Martina's comments applied much more to Serena and Venus than to Sharapova.

Gary Britt
 

Exile

Professional
It was even said, "we can't be really sure who is number one this year because alot of women are injured."
 

Exile

Professional
Oh lookie here, i found a draw sheet of last years wta championship

We have mauresmo
davenport
Swilliams
dementieva
myskina
kuznetsova
svonreva

Mauresmo was 3-0, beating sharapova.

in the semi, what ended up happening?
s williams vs mauresmo
myskina vs sharapova

williams wins and sharapova had her number from wimby, causing sharapova to win the whole thing.
No one there posed a real challenge because everyone else was injured.
Davenport screwed up vs myskina.
Mauresmo could have won, if she beat serena.

http://www.wtatour.com/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=/global/Pdfs/events/2004/losangeles2_draws.pdf
 

tim8

New User
driger said:
Exile-Hey look at this. maria wins Sony Ericsson WTA Tour Award 2004

http://www.wtatour.com/thewtatour/awards/pastwinners/

Doesn't that go to the best female player?
Even if you go by that to prove that Sharapova is a great player, she has a long way to go...

Player of the Year
1977 Virginia Wade 1992 Monica Seles
1978 Martina Navratilova 1993 Steffi Graf
1979 Martina Navratilova 1994 Steffi Graf
1980 Tracy Austin 1995 Steffi Graf
1981 Chris Evert 1996 Steffi Graf
1982 Martina Navratilova 1997 Martina Hingis
1983 Martina Navratilova 1998 Lindsay Davenport
1984 Martina Navratilova 1999 Lindsay Davenport
1985 Martina Navratilova 2000 Venus Williams
1986 Martina Navratilova 2001 Jennifer Capriati
1987 Steffi Graf 2002 Serena Williams
1988 Steffi Graf 2003 Justine Henin-Hardenne
1989 Steffi Graf 2004 Maria Sharapova
1990 Steffi Graf
1991 Monica Seles

Doubles Team of the year
1977 Martina Navratilova/Betty Stove 1992 Larisa Neiland/Natasha Zvereva
1978 Billie Jean King/Martina Navratilova 1993 Gigi Fernandez/Natasha Zvereva
1979 Billie Jean King/Martina Navratilova 1994 Gigi Fernandez/Natasha Zvereva
1980 Kathy Jordan/Anne Smith 1995 Gigi Fernandez/Natasha Zvereva
1981 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 1996 Jana Novotna/Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
1982 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 1997 Gigi Fernandez/Natasha Zvereva
1983 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 1998 Martina Hingis/Jana Novotna
1984 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 1999 Martina Hingis/Anna Kournikova
1985 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 2000 Serena Williams/Venus Williams
1986 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 2001 Lisa Raymond/Rennae Stubbs
1987 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 2002 Virginia Ruano Pascual/Paola Suárez
1988 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 2003 Virginia Ruano Pascual/Paola Suárez
1989 Jana Novotna/Helena Sukova 2004 Virginia Ruano Pascual/Paola Suárez
1990 Jana Novotna/Helena Sukova
1991 Gigi Fernandez/Jana Novotna
 

driger

Banned
tim8 said:
Even if you go by that to prove that Sharapova is a great player, she has a long way to go...

Player of the Year
1977 Virginia Wade 1992 Monica Seles
1978 Martina Navratilova 1993 Steffi Graf
1979 Martina Navratilova 1994 Steffi Graf
1980 Tracy Austin 1995 Steffi Graf
1981 Chris Evert 1996 Steffi Graf
1982 Martina Navratilova 1997 Martina Hingis
1983 Martina Navratilova 1998 Lindsay Davenport
1984 Martina Navratilova 1999 Lindsay Davenport
1985 Martina Navratilova 2000 Venus Williams
1986 Martina Navratilova 2001 Jennifer Capriati
1987 Steffi Graf 2002 Serena Williams
1988 Steffi Graf 2003 Justine Henin-Hardenne
1989 Steffi Graf 2004 Maria Sharapova
1990 Steffi Graf
1991 Monica Seles

Doubles Team of the year
1977 Martina Navratilova/Betty Stove 1992 Larisa Neiland/Natasha Zvereva
1978 Billie Jean King/Martina Navratilova 1993 Gigi Fernandez/Natasha Zvereva
1979 Billie Jean King/Martina Navratilova 1994 Gigi Fernandez/Natasha Zvereva
1980 Kathy Jordan/Anne Smith 1995 Gigi Fernandez/Natasha Zvereva
1981 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 1996 Jana Novotna/Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
1982 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 1997 Gigi Fernandez/Natasha Zvereva
1983 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 1998 Martina Hingis/Jana Novotna
1984 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 1999 Martina Hingis/Anna Kournikova
1985 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 2000 Serena Williams/Venus Williams
1986 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 2001 Lisa Raymond/Rennae Stubbs
1987 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 2002 Virginia Ruano Pascual/Paola Suárez
1988 Martina Navratilova/Pam Shriver 2003 Virginia Ruano Pascual/Paola Suárez
1989 Jana Novotna/Helena Sukova 2004 Virginia Ruano Pascual/Paola Suárez
1990 Jana Novotna/Helena Sukova
1991 Gigi Fernandez/Jana Novotna

This thread is not about comparing Maria and Martina's careers. its about Martina 's stupid statements.
 

tim8

New User
driger said:
This thread is not about comparing Maria and Martina's careers. its about Martina 's stupid statements.


Actually what I'm trying to prove is that maybe, just maybe, Martina has some authority on what it takes to make a great tennis career.
 

larrhall

Semi-Pro
Amazing stuff. Maybe her game is slipping, maybe she needs to do something else. Maybe she just loves to play. Her accomplishments - long before her 'comeback' - were, in singles and doubles, the best of any woman professional tennis player. I don't know, maybe Margaret Court was as dominant. So Martina is opinionated. Nobody has to listen. She has helped young players and entertained many fans, particularly old-timers. The idea that she is busy hitting on every winsome, cute WTA girl (there aren't all that many anyhow) is ridiculous. And they can tell her to get lost, which I'm sure most women do to a lot of the guys posting on this thread. Don't worry, guys, there aren't that many lesbians trolling the places you hang out. The problem in those sports bars is 5 incoherent 'machos' for every silicone-enhanced cutie...
 

driger

Banned
larr-martina's sexuality is her problem. for mn to say maria is not focused because she is taking the opportunity to make some money is baseless. just smacks of envy. maria has either won or lost to the eventual champion in almost every tournament shes entered this year. shes also playing a full schedule. martina was the strongest and fastest player of her era. and in an era where the field just wasn't that deep. she was never known as particularly strong mentally. she has a history of making dumb statements. this is another. and btw steffi graf was more dominant than martina.
 

Exile

Professional
2005

AO
Semifinal loss to Serena Williams 2-6 7-5 8-6

Tokyo
Winner vs Davenport 6-1 3-6 7-6(5)

Doha
Winner vs Alicia Molik 4-6 6-1 6-4

Indian wells
gets Pwned by davenport in semi 6-0 6-0

Miami
Finals Loss to Clijsters 6-3 7-5

Berlin
quarterfinal loss to JHH 6-2 6-4

Rome
Semifinal loss to SCHNYDER, PATTY 3-6 6-3 6-1

FO
quarter final loss to JHH 6-4 6-2

Then wins birmingham against JANKOVIC, JELENA 6-2 4-6 6-1


maria has either won or lost to the eventual champion in almost every tournament shes entered this year.

You can say that about every woman in the top ten.
It's not that she isn't good, she is.
It's just that, 2004 and 2005 she won 8 tournaments out of 29.
in 2004 she beat the 71, 61, 100, ranked players (her only tournament wins), then she beat serena, we all know what a mental case she has been over the past couple years, she beats herself before deciding to beat opponents, and it's usually too late. Not to mention what crap the draw was at the end of the year.

This year, her chances of winning have been less than coin tosses
She beat davenport, and beat number 20, janovic and molik.
Everything else has been a loss for her, even her rematch with davenport resulting in double zeros.
She hasn't shown that she can consistantly win against players like clijsters, JHH, davenport.
Even Serena(and even schnyder) are beating her this year and whenever capriati comes back, she will be another wrench to be thrown in.

Maybe she is just a good grass player, I wouldn't say much about hard courts, and I sure as hell wouldn't say clay.
She is good, but no one deserves the kind of hype she gets.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
MN should be very happy to play in an era with so little depth - she basically had a fun ride to the finals. Sharapova will never have it that easy. And while I think some people take the off-court stuff a little too far - Phillippoussis, Moya, and the Williams Sisters immediately come to mind - having a little diversion is good. Martina had (has?) no life outside of tennis.

And as far as the snippy comments about current players partaking in fashion photo shoots, even the hetero ex-players - Evert, Shriver, Fernandez - have made negative comments about them. And they were wrong too. If they haven't noticed, the season is longer than when they played, players are getting injured more, and lastly, all the players are getting plenty of practice. There's no proof that Anna's career would have been more successful if she'd hit 1.8 million balls, not 1.5 million (estimates).
 
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