Navratilova Mandlikova Head to Head.

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Note this is actually backwards from the usual chronology. First listing is their last match. Last listing is their first.

I actually have not looked for patterns in the Martina- Hana Head to Head. I won't have time to post any analysis. Work beckens early in the morn. But lets see what we notice.
1986-1989
1989 Los Angeles QF Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova7-5 6-4
1989 Wimbledon R16 Grass Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-3 6-2
1989 Hilton Head QF Clay Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-2 7-5
1989 Australian Open R16 Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-4 6-1
1989 Sydney SF Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-3 6-2
1988 Washington SF Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-4 6-2

1987 Australian Open F Grass Hana Mandlikova Martina Navratilova 7-5 7-6(1)
1986 Chicago F Carpet Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova7-5 7-5
1986 Worcester F Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-2 6-2
1986 Filderstadt F Carpet Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-2 6-3
1986 Czechoslovakia v USA - FC WG - F0 Clay Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova7-5 6-1
1986 Wimbledon F Grass Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova7-6 6-3
1986 Virginia Slims Championships 2 F Carpet Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-2 6-0 3-6 6-1
1986 Dallas SF Carpet Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-2 5-7 6-2
 
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Note this is actually backwards from the usual chronology. First listing is their last match. Last listing is their first.
1980- 1985
1985 Australian Open SF Grass Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-7(5) 6-1 6-4
1985 Sydney F Grass Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova3-6 6-1 6-2

1985 US Open F Hard Hana Mandlikova Martina Navratilova 7-6(3) 1-6 7-6(2)
1985 WTA Championships SF Carpet Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 7-5 7-6
1985 U.S. Indoors SF Carpet Hana Mandlikova Martina Navratilova 7-6 6-0
1984 FO - RG SF Clay Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 3-6 6-2 6-2
1984 Amelia Island SF Clay Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-3 4-6 6-4

1984 Oakland F Carpet Hana Mandlikova Martina Navratilova 7-6 3-6 6-4
1983 Canadian Masters SF Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-1 7-5
1983 Orlando SF Clay Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 4-6 6-2 7-5
1983 WTA Championships R16 Carpet Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 4-6 6-1 6-0
1983 Dallas QF Carpet Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-1 6-3
1982 East Rutherford SF Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 7-6 6-1
1982 Canadian Masters SF Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-2 7-5
1982 USA v Czechoslovakia - FC WG - SF 0 Hard Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-4 0-6 6-1
1982 Eastbourne F Grass Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova6-4 6-3
1982 FO - RG SF Clay Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-0 6-2

1981 Wimbledon SF Grass Hana Mandlikova Martina Navratilova 7-5 4-6 6-1
1981 Chicago F Carpet Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 6-4 6-2
1980 Las Vegas SF Hard Hana Mandlikova Martina Navratilova 6-2 6-3
1980 US Open R16 Hard Hana Mandlikova Martina Navratilova 7-6 6-4
1980 Mahwah SF Hard Hana Mandlikova Martina Navratilova 6-4 3-6 6-3
1980 Amelia Island F Clay Martina Navratilova Hana Mandlikova 5-7 6-3 6-2

Hana never strung two victories together after 1980 where she terrorized the two time Wimbledon champion and already former number 1.
 

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Mandlikova was breathtaking when on. But didn't have the discipline to regularly beat the likes of Navratilova and Evert.
I enjoyed reading the H2H. I must admit it's more one-sided than I imagined given Mandlikova could get so 'up' against the former countrywoman.
 

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Mandlikova was breathtaking when on. But didn't have the discipline to regularly beat the likes of Navratilova and Evert.
I enjoyed reading the H2H. I must admit it's more one-sided than I imagined given Mandlikova could get so 'up' against the former countrywoman.
I do understand how Martina could have seen her as more of a threat than Evert in her most dominate streak, though. Look at the matches in 1982-1984 . Evert beat her once in the Aussie final in 3. Hana beat Martina in Oakland in 3. Now look at the number of sets each took excluding those matches. Evert took 4 sets in 15 matches. Hana took 5 sets in 12 the remaining matches in the same time frame.

Here's is two shocking examples I will point out. In the 1984 Amelia Island tournament where Martina crushed Evert 6-2,6-0, Hana tgave Martina hell two days before 6-3 4-6 6-4! A couple of weeks later. At RG that year Martina blows Evert out of the water again on her favorite surface 6-3,6-1. Hana took the set Evert could not, just days prior again 3-6 6-2 6-2.

That seques to another factoid. Martina played Hana 7 times on clay. Four of them went 3 sets. Not once did Hana actually win a match. This suggests to me that Hana's groundies were almost about a solid as Martina's, and her volley and serve were just as effective on clay, but Hana just ran out of either physical and mental stamina as these long matches wore on. On the other hand, Martin could not beat Chris in any of their 3 setters on clay for the same reason.
 
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Hana's big mistake was making up with Martina who always said she hated playing people she didn't like. That happened at the 84 U.S. Open. It took her another year, but her new pal Martina really began to solve the problems that she presented her.

If Hana ruined Martina's best winning streaks, well, Martina ruined Hana's most consistent year, 1986. They met six times with all being in finals including VS Championships, Wimbledon, and Fed Cup. Martina won them all. After that, she really started exploiting the key difference in their games which was the second serve. I credit Mike Estep for this as he pushed Martina to get back to attacking more. Against Hana, it was better to take more chances and risk getting passed than to allow Hana to attack her which happened a lot in 84 and 85.

Post spring of 87, Hana just wasn't the same player mentally or physically. When she married she had the idea that she would win Wimbledon, represent Australia in the 88 Olympics, and then retire to have a family. That's not what life had in store for her, and she really was never a threat to Martina again.

I still see their series as competitive. My memories are always of hard fought battles no matter who won. Their matches in 84 and 85 remain truly special to me.
 

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I do understand how Martina could have seen her as more of a threat than Evert in her most dominate streak, though. Look at the matches in 1982-1984 . Evert beat her once in the Aussie final in 3. Hana beat Martina in Oakland in 3. Now look at the number of sets each took excluding those matches. Evert took 4 sets in 15 matches. Hana took 5 sets in 12 the remaining matches in the same time frame.

Here's is two shocking examples I will point out. In the 1984 Amelia Island tournament where Martina crushed Evert 6-2,6-0, Hana tgave Martina hell two days before 6-3 4-6 6-4! A couple of weeks later. At RG that year Martina blows Evert out of the water again on her favorite surface 6-3,6-1. Hana took the set Evert could not, just days prior again 3-6 6-2 6-2.

That seques to another factoid. Martina played Hana 7 times on clay. Four of them went 3 sets. Not once did Hana actually win a match. This suggests to me that Hana's groundies were almost about a solid as Martina's, and her volley and serve were just as effective on clay, but Hana just ran out of either physical and mental stamina as these long matches wore on. On the other hand, Martin could not beat Chris in any of their 3 setters on clay for the same reason.

The clay thing baffles me. It should've favored Hana more, but I suspect Martina found it easier to attack her second serve on a slower and high bouncing surface. I think that rewarded her sharp slice backhand taken on the rise, not to mention giving her more time to wind up on a forehand. The two clay battles in 84 are wonderful to watch. When NBC cut away from their Amelia Island battle with Hana up 4-3 in the third for a baseball game, the network took so many heated calls that it made the news that night.

Hana was passing and lobbing off the backhand like crazy at the French, and she looked the better player for a while. But then Martina started serving to her forehand which was hit sharp and flat, but easier for Martina to volley.

Some of the best tennis of 84 easily.
 
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The clay thing baffles me. It should've favored Hana more, but I suspect Martina found it easier to attack her second serve on a slower and high bouncing surface. I think that rewarded her sharp slice backhand taken on the rise, not to mention giving her more time to wind up on a forehand. The two clay battles in 84 are wonderful to watch. When NBC cut away from their Amelia Island battle with Hana up 4-3 in the third for a baseball game, the network took so many heated calls that it made the news that night.

Hana was passing and lobbing off the backhand like crazy at the French, and she looked the better player for a while. But then Martina started serving to her forehand which was hit sharp and flat, but easier for Martina to volley.

Some of the best tennis of 84 easily.
anything to my theory that Hana simply got physically or mentally fatigued in the late stages of three setters on clay? She just seemed the sort to have some stamina problems in really physical matches with lots of long rallies. . She kind of withered in the last set of both the 1980 and 1983 RG matches vs Evert, but then most everybody drifted away under those circumstances for the better part of a decade.
 
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anything to my theory that Hana simply got physically or mentally fatigued in the late stages of three setters on clay? She just seemed the sort to have some stamina problems in really physical matches with lots of long rallies. . She kind of withered in the last set of both the 1980 and 1983 RG matches vs Evert, but then most everybody drifted away under those circumstances for the better part of a decade.
There might be, though I doubt that was a problem vs Martina on clay. I didn't see 83 Orlando or 80 Amelia Island, but their other clay matches were played as if the surface was a hard court. Not many rallies to speak of, and if either didn't come in off the second serve the returner did.

I've seen Hana tire mentally and emotionally. There were times when it looked like she was done and ready to get off the court. But the only time I was positive Hana was tired physically was the 83 French as you mentioned. That was an unusually not day in Paris, and the match was full of long rallies and a lot of athletic gets from Hana. I also remember Hana looking tired and weak vs Evert in the 85 Ford Cup final. That wasn't a very long match, but Hana did have a stomach virus and looked awfully pale. I suspect she was dehydrated. Not a great condition to meet Chris on Florida clay.
 
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Was what Hana lacked to break on top of players like Navratilova, Evert, Graf, and Seles the "jack of all trades, master of none" syndrome? In that she was very good at so many things, giving her such a complete game, but didnt stand out do any one thing truly great enough.
 

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Was what Hana lacked to break on top of players like Navratilova, Evert, Graf, and Seles the "jack of all trades, master of none" syndrome? In that she was very good at so many things, giving her such a complete game, but didnt stand out do any one thing truly great enough.

Maybe in a manner of speaking. Players with a lot of options sometimes don't have the discipline to narrow things down in the crunch. You need a go to shot, and sometimes Hana complicated the issue by over thinking.

There was a time when she admitted not knowing where she was going to serve until after she had tossed the ball. I've seen her struggle with deciding on whether to hit a topspin backhand or a slice. Indecision can lead to frustration and loss of confidence.
 
Maybe in a manner of speaking. Players with a lot of options sometimes don't have the discipline to narrow things down in the crunch. You need a go to shot, and sometimes Hana complicated the issue by over thinking.

There was a time when she admitted not knowing where she was going to serve until after she had tossed the ball. I've seen her struggle with deciding on whether to hit a topspin backhand or a slice. Indecision can lead to frustration and loss of confidence.
And when played Evert or Navratilova did she have the right game plan?
 

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And when played Evert or Navratilova did she have the right game plan?
For the most part, I believe. Her matches with Martina were straight forward. It was a race to the net. But too often Hana double faulted at the wrong time, or Martina was better at reading Hana's patterns on the volley and the pass. Still, Hana used her variety in the backhand return to keep her off balance. And Han a was one of the better players at returning down the line vs Martina. When Jana beat her at Wimbledon 93 it looked a lot like one of Hana's gems vs Martina because of the return.

With Chris, strategy was more complicated. Hana had great success against Chris with the drop shot in the 81 French. Because of that, she went to that well say too often in their next few matches. Generally, it was a bad tactic vs Chris. I also think throughout their series of Chris lobbed well vs Hana she would keep her off balance and open the passing lanes. Also, some of Hana's more unusual tactics such as approaching crosscourt off of a topspin backhand didn't rattle Chris like it did for so many of Hana's opponents. In essence, Chris was built to beat Hana's flash and dash. Yet, Hana kept Chris off rhythm and could occasionally take a match out of Chris' hands.
 

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For the most part, I believe. Her matches with Martina were straight forward. It was a race to the net. But too often Hana double faulted at the wrong time, or Martina was better at reading Hana's patterns on the volley and the pass. Still, Hana used her variety in the backhand return to keep her off balance. And Han a was one of the better players at returning down the line vs Martina. When Jana beat her at Wimbledon 93 it looked a lot like one of Hana's gems vs Martina because of the return.

With Chris, strategy was more complicated. Hana had great success against Chris with the drop shot in the 81 French. Because of that, she went to that well say too often in their next few matches. Generally, it was a bad tactic vs Chris. I also think throughout their series of Chris lobbed well vs Hana she would keep her off balance and open the passing lanes. Also, some of Hana's more unusual tactics such as approaching crosscourt off of a topspin backhand didn't rattle Chris like it did for so many of Hana's opponents. In essence, Chris was built to beat Hana's flash and dash. Yet, Hana kept Chris off rhythm and could occasionally take a match out of Chris' hands.
Exactly! I immediately thought how Mandlikova over-worked the drop shot/drop volley against Evert. It got so that Evert was already anticipating this tactic before Mandlikova had even struck the ball.
But, Mandlikova was dogmatic and kept on with this strategy even when it was near suicidal. The 81 Wimbledon Final is a perfect example- and also a perfect example of Evert learning from her loss to Mandlikova at RG a couple of weeks earlier.
Evert had the steel trap mind of a champion. Mandlikova relied too heavily on her brittle talent.
 

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Exactly! I immediately thought how Mandlikova over-worked the drop shot/drop volley against Evert. It got so that Evert was already anticipating this tactic before Mandlikova had even struck the ball.
But, Mandlikova was dogmatic and kept on with this strategy even when it was near suicidal. The 81 Wimbledon Final is a perfect example- and also a perfect example of Evert learning from her loss to Mandlikova at RG a couple of weeks earlier.
Evert had the steel trap mind of a champion. Mandlikova relied too heavily on her brittle talent.
I do think that Chris had more trouble anticipating and reading Hana's shots than Martina's. Sometimes she seemed unsure just how aggressive to be, herself, when she played Mandlikova. Hana liked a target herself more than Martina did, and did not seem as flustered by Evert's approaches.
 
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