NBA 2017-18: Four-peat Finals Or A New Narrative???

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  1. stringertom

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    The dust has settled, a NBA superstar joined an already legendary lineup and delivered a title over the superstar of his era and an even more expensive cast of supporting players.

    What will have to happen to make it GSW/Cleveland for a fourth straight time? Can another team upset the apple cart? Should we even play a possible 103 games to decide what seems inevitable???

    So who do you want for your team in the draft?

    More importantly, is there a megawatt FA/trade move that changes the balance in the weakEast conference ever???

    Does the most important college reunion ever occur with Gordon Hayward going east to Boston and Brad Stevens???

    Can SA climb back in the ring in the West for a run at another ring???

    Will Carmelo ever find happiness in a world he shares with Guruphil and his love for Euclidean geometry???

    Will Giannis become so dominant he makes it easy to spell and pronounce Antetokuompo or will we always call him The Greek Freak???



    Have at it! Discuss.
     
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  2. r2473

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    Utah Jazz are pretty much a lock
     
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    FTFY.
     
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    I want Jackson to end up on the Knicks by some miracle. Since that probably isn't happening my next unlikely wish is lonzo or fox falling to 8. Out of the realistic candidates I'd like monk or Isaac. Don't want smith or nikinta
     
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    All I'm hoping for is Oshley making his magic again and finding another Lillard or CJ with one of our three picks. I'm assuming we trade at least one away, but who knows. We really need a starting caliber forward that can play D.
     
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    I want the Spurs to get CP3 and the Celtics to get someone, whether it's Hayward, Bulter, or whoever to go along with Fultz. All I want is the Warriors and Cavs challenged before they are already in the finals.
     
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    I want Jackson to end up off the the Knicks by some miracle. ;)
     
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    The Spurs can already challenge the Warriors (I really think with Kawhi they could've pushed it to 6 games at least). The Celts I don't think are quite there. If IT is your go-to scorer you already have quite an uphill climb on the D side.

    Neither Hayward or Butler gives Boston enough firepower (vs. the Cavs maybe, but not the Warriors), but if push came to shove I'd pick Gordon in a heartbeat. Jimmy's D might be a hair better but he's become a lil' too full of himself and probably won't be easy to tame for a relative newb like Stevens. And of course Hayward is the more efficient scorer of the two.
     
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    Who knows though, the Cavs could be worse next year, they are old as hell. And the Celtics with Hayward and Fultz(and who knows how good he could be, even as a rookie) could definitely make it a series. All I want is both teams to not walk to the finals.
     
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    GSW's team is ridiculous. I was too young (or not even born) to remember the super teams of the 80s and 90s, but the super teams of the past 15 years didn't even have the firepower GSW currently has. GSW is more complete than the two Lakers championships teams of 99-2001 and 2008-2010. Even Miami's big three wasn't a big three since Bosh sometimes disappeared. And the rest of Miami's roster were supporting casts.

    Cavs have to dump Deron Williams and pick up a backup PG who can soak up knowledge and learn. Something with D.Will is off... he looked out of shape or really nervous. GSW read D.Will's actions like a book. Without Kyrie running the offense, you force Lebron to double his workload.

    As a 76ers fan, I'm all aboard the Process bandwagon. When Lebron turns 35, the 76ers will be clicking into full gear. :D
     
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    I pay next to zero attention to college bball and can't comment much on Fultz (BTW I find it comical that some of the so-called fans whine about much of the current coaching in the NBA while following March Madness religiously), but at 6'5" and 185 lbs the kid will definitely need to add more mass and that's gonna take time. So maybe not next year, but hopefully the year after or so.

    With you on the overall picture. Apart from CP3 I just don't see anything on the horizon right now.
     
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    The Magic are projected to take a guard and a center from the Calipari crew of one-and-dones.
     
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    I'm down for a Jackson for Jackson draft day trade
     
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    Trade Phil for Mark and we're all good.
     
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    4peat finals
    GS repeats
     
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    ^^^^

    That. But as always barring injury.

    If CLE can do a Love for Paul George trade they might be able to win more than one game.
     
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    So is this the definitive 2017 - 2018 NBA thread? Then let's start the off season talk:

    Jerry West is going to the Clippers, no more Warriors.
     
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    Only interesting thing about that for me is, why the Clippers? Maybe signaling that they are rebuilding?
     
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    Don't think he will have much help for the Clippers, but who knows. The current Clippers team needs to be broken up to an extent. I think they've hit their ceiling with this group. If they decide to rebuild, I see him having more of an effect.

    The Warriors won't miss him a whole lot I don't think. Meyers seems to have proven himself at this point and outside of bench players, their core is already set.

    That said, the Lakers should have asked West to come back and finish out his career with them. He helped construct the Lakers championships back in the early 2000's and if anyone heard his interview with Dan Patrick, it was sad listening to him talk about wanting to go back, but no one from the Lakers has reached out to him. The Lakers have had the #2 pick for three drafts in a row. Russell has been mediocre and Ingram's rookie wasn't impressive. While we haven't seen Magic and Pelinka's drafting abilities, we know that West has a great eye for talent. Bringing West in to help with the draft and all the young players would have been huge imo.
     
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    I kind of hope that they'd do Chris Paul one of two favors:

    Ship him out so he can compete for championships

    Or, give him a bench to work with. There no one coming off that bench that can stop anyone else.

    I do think the Clippers need to be broken up by now, they've tried the same formula for the last what, 3 - 5 years? And it's gotten them where?

    Blake Griffin STILL has no post moves, DeAndre Jordan isn't scoring unless CP3 throws him a lob or if someone misses a shot. Not to mention, he can't play in the 4th quarter.
     
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    They should have never traded Wiggins for Love imo.
     
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    I think Jerry West is probably underrated, if anything. I remember the SI article a couple of years ago about West threatening to resign from the Warriors if they made the Klay for K Love deal...what a massive error that would have been. The Lakers days speak for themselves and he even had one or two good season in Memphis, for crying out loud. :) With the Clippers, he gets an owner with gobs or $$ who doesn't mind spending it... and it sounds like plans for a new arena in the next few years. Maybe he can hold on to Paul and get Blake outta there for another decent player...Paul George coming home to LA with the Clips instead of the Lakers?

    Can't wait to see what my wife's Sacramento Kings will do to screw up another draft. :)
     
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    Let a skilled proven shopper get the groceries and have Doc focus on being the chef. Could be a match made in heaven.
     
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    Good day, sunshine: another L for James.

    Also, is he set to leave another team in the lurch?
     
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    Anthony Davis for Blake Griffin.
    Jordan at center, Davis at PF, get Paul George at SF, keep Paul, and get a complimentary part time 3 point shooting guard to spread court time with Reddick.
     
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    These treams would be annilated by those 90s bulls and 80s celts and lakers
     
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    Warriors probably will not be able to keep this year's team together in 2018 and beyond since many of star players have contract that expire. Curry will be gone for sure since he is going making tons more elsewhere. Thompson gone be gone to for same reason.
     
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    I'd think both Durant and Curry would take less than max deal for at least one year, maybe two, which would free up something in the order of 5-10 million for other player's.
    Iquodala has mentioned he'd stay for around 8, with is 3 less than he's making this year.
    When Thompson's contract expires, I'd think he'd go for a one year extension, then into free agency.
    Offer's have already been hinted by other teams for Clark, McGee, and McAdoo, with McAdoo being the one most likely to stay because of family and house in the East Bay.
    NO idea what Durant really wants.
    Pachulia is making 2.9, won't get more anywhere else.
    West can get 4 somewhere else, but playing for a fun team without needing extended minutes, and a chance for another ring, for 1.5, and having already made 100 mil, is tempting.
    Livingston might get tempted by an offer around 8+ and long term, but that team would be a fool due to age and one dimensional offensive capabilities.
     
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    Sixers are courting Danny Ainge for the #1 pick to pick Fultz. The Washington Husky SG is in Philly to workout for team execs and Embiid has posted a photo of a Fultz locker nameplate above a vacant stall (Trust the Process tagline).

    Rumor is they swap #1 for #3 and next year's Lakers pick owed to Philly plus perhaps a 1st in '21. That's overpaying IMO. It's also a playoff team if everyone is healthy in '17-'18.
     
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    Too much emphasis on No.'s 1-5. Still a crapshoot, and a player like Paul George is much more valuable than both No.'s 1 AND No.2.
    Philly has more than enough top 5's to build a winning team. They just gotta sit down and figure what IS a winning team. Same with Laker's.
    Celts are gonna think about what they really need, as I don't think a top draft pick or THREE is gonna help them at all in the next two year's.
     
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    For example, Curry in the NBA draft did not go until #6! Minnesota had two chances to get him but past both times! I think Minnesota had picks 4 and 5! So you can see that the transition from college to NBA is truly a crap shoot! Even more ridiculous in Curry case is that no division one college even invited him to tryout; not even his dad's alumni West Virginia! The coach of WV said that he could be a walk on but did not go further. It was Davidson; a division 2 college that gave him a scholarship. Ironically, Lebron James at the time wanted to watch some college basketball and caught Steph Curry in action and was very impress by him. He started attending his college games ever time they were in Carolina. They met during one of the games. So he knew way before any scout the potential of Curry. LOL!
     
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    Dell Curry played college ball at Virginia Tech, not WVU. Va Tech HC Seth Greenberg did offer young Curry a scholarship with a stipulation he had to redshirt his freshman year because they had run out of full ride scholarship spots. He decided to stay close to home and play immediately at Davidson. It worked out OK. Davidson and he went to the Elite Eight in his junior year and Curry left early with the #7 pick to GSW.
     
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    NBA draft...
    Greg Oden was picked ahead of Kevin Durant.
    Isaih Thomas of the Celts wasn't in the first round, and neither was Draymont Green.
    If you go back 30 year's of NBA draft, I'll bet at least 1/4, or 8 No. ONE picks didn't last more than 5 year's, and never ever a star.
    You can pick around a 70% success rate, but that's about all. And success meaning the guy is in the league for 7 year's.
    NBA draft is a hype hoopla circus made by the media to create interest in the off season.
     
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    The draft can change the course of a franchise for years or decades. The Spurs very much love the two number 1 picks they have had.

    The interst in the chance that the guy your team drafts turns into a cornerstone piece long term.
     
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    Warriors drafted Joe Smith, No.1 overall.
    First round picks, top 5, include Todd Fuller and Mike Dunleavy.
     
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    And the Wizards drafted Kwame Brown. You pick bumbs you pay the price.

    But Joe Smith was the best college player in the land. The 95 draft wasn't a good draft to have the #1 pick. You had 4 sophmores and high schooler top 5. If you redrafted that today Joe probably drops to #6 or 7. my ranking of the 95 draft.

    Garnett - resume speaks for itself

    the next three are kinda close I would like to put McDyess at #2 because the ALL NBA nod but injuries screwed him hard. but his first four years were as good as anyone not named KG

    Rahseed - Took him a while to catch his footing but had a good career and contributed to champion team
    Stackhouse - No title
    McDyess - all star and 3rd team all NBA, was something to behold before he ruptured his knee.


    Only two other guys made all start teams.

    Michael Finley
    Theo Ratliff

    Damon Stoudamire
    Joe Smith

    Then maybe these guy in some order.

    Brent Barry
    Corliss WIlliamson
    Kurt Thomas
    Ostertag (JK)

    And dead last
    Cherokee Parks
    Big Country
     
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    Welp Celtics trade the #1 pick to the Sixers for #3 and a future 1st rounder. It's about to get interesting. Celtics are probably looking to make another move(maybe move down again) in their pursuit of Butler and Hayward.

    Sixers now will have Fultz, Simmons, Embiid, plus guys like Covington. If they stay healthy they will be an absolute force.

    Meanwhile Pacers trying to shop PG before the draft. Cavs are a possible destination though seems unlikely to me. Others are the Clips in a sign+trade, Blazers for picks, Raptors, maybe a few more. Lakers will have to decide how big a threat PG is to stay with the team he gets signed to. If they aren't worried about it could sign him for free next year.
     
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    What extra wrinkle will Ainge negotiate with the Billy King bonanza???

    Is there time enough before Thursday to pry away Butler from the Bulls or is Ainge gonna sit tight at #3 and act on the Monday tryout by Jayson Tatum??? I loved it when he claimed he will get the same player he intended to draft at #1.
     
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    I think he will select Tatum.
     
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    They either trade for butler or take Jackson, who's the best player in the draft. Hopefully they get heywood too. Tatum is gonna fall to your magic
     
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    I think the Celtics were going to take Josh Jackson and still will, so take him at #3 with some bonuses with only the Lakers having a small chance of throwing a spanner into the works. Or maybe Ainge and co. don't really care and see it as a wash between the top prospects so.. just pick up whoever and use picks to obtain an established superstar calibre player.
     
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    I think you hit the nail on the head. Sixers think Lakers are a lock for Lonzo and know Philly wants to pair Fultz with SImmons and Embiid, which I think works really well. They gain and extra pick next year or the year after and still the guy they like the best. If the the Sixers are in on Thomas then Fultz doesn't fit them the best anyway, and the extra pick can be used for trades.
     
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    Well Cleveland is going to lose Lebron again. Gilbert is an incompetent power hungry idiot.
     
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    And the Magic could have had the man they wanted badly if they had waited for Gilbert to prove his idiocy.
     
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    Is the three-way Phoenix/Chicago/Cleveland deal sunk by Griffin's firing???
     
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    Yeah Gilbert reallys crewed Griffin by waiting this long.

    Yeah it's likely done for. Was unlikely anyway, just Griffin trying hard to get something done I think.

    And now just to prove that he's an even worse guy than Gilbert, Phil is trying to trade Porzingis!! Smart man. Jesus this offseason, and those poor knicks hahaha
     
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    Guruphil is just making room for Oakley to make a triumphant return to The Garden.
     
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    I'm already cold turkey.
     
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