Nba Mvp Poll:
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anonymous2364
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No way Nash wins 3rd straight. That would elevate Nash into Jordan/Bird/Magic territory. Even Nash, who doesn't play defense at all, will blanche at such a comparison.
I'm a Lakers fan and I think Kobe deserved the MVP last year. He's carrying the team and has done just about everything to push the team concept, but his team is dangerously close to not even making the playoffs.
Novitski is really the clear favorite. Best player on by far the best team.
I'm a Lakers fan and I think Kobe deserved the MVP last year. He's carrying the team and has done just about everything to push the team concept, but his team is dangerously close to not even making the playoffs.
Novitski is really the clear favorite. Best player on by far the best team.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
no lebron on that poll? I bet he will get more votes than Kobe.
Dirk will win though.
Dirk will win though.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Dirk should get it.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
I'm sorry but isn't Kobe Bryant the accused rapist? My vote goes to either of the other two.
JohnS
Semi-Pro
I say Nash still has as good of a chance as Dirk. Why the hell is Bryant on it??? Sure he can score 40 pts 5 some games in a row, but if his team can't win, than he's not mvp material.
Dirk may win it because of his team having the best record in the NBA. Nash may win it because of the second best record in the NBA, plus, most assist, and his leadership in the offensive end. Nash makes a larger impact on the team when he's on the court. Dirk makes a good impact, but not as much as Nash. The only thing that keeps Dirk ahead of Nash is the best record.
51% Dirk
48% Nash
1 % Bryant because of his diehard (laker) fans
Dirk may win it because of his team having the best record in the NBA. Nash may win it because of the second best record in the NBA, plus, most assist, and his leadership in the offensive end. Nash makes a larger impact on the team when he's on the court. Dirk makes a good impact, but not as much as Nash. The only thing that keeps Dirk ahead of Nash is the best record.
51% Dirk
48% Nash
1 % Bryant because of his diehard (laker) fans
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
One being accused of something does not mean they are guilty. Case didn't make it to trial since there was so little evidence. Celebrities are often subject to false accusations.
BigServer1
Legend
Kobe is on the list because his performance this season (and last) is singlehandedly leading his team into the playoffs in a deep western conference. If LeBron James, on a 46 win team in the East gets votes, then Kobe on a 40 win team in the West should get votes. If the Lakers were in the East, they would have 47-50 wins this season. The East is that bad. Kobe shouldn't win, but he should finish 2nd or 3rd.
My vote goes to Dirk, best player on the best team. I can't see anyone putting Nash into the company of Wilt, Russell and Bird without the Suns ever winning anything.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
Below are the voting results for the 2005-06 NBA Most Valuable Player Award:
Steve Nash, Phoenix 924 points(57 1st place votes)
LeBron James, Cleveland 688 (16)
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 544 (14)
Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers 483 (22)
Are Kobe's numbers any better than last year? is his team any better? the lakers were the 7 seed last year & are likely the 7 seed again. nothing's really changed. Kobe will finish 4th in the voting again.
Iverson should have got the MVP every year in the early 2000s, if leading a bad team to the playoffs is what an MVP is.
Steve Nash, Phoenix 924 points(57 1st place votes)
LeBron James, Cleveland 688 (16)
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 544 (14)
Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers 483 (22)
Are Kobe's numbers any better than last year? is his team any better? the lakers were the 7 seed last year & are likely the 7 seed again. nothing's really changed. Kobe will finish 4th in the voting again.
Iverson should have got the MVP every year in the early 2000s, if leading a bad team to the playoffs is what an MVP is.
BigServer1
Legend
I don't think Kobe should win. I never said he should win. But there are too many people who don't even think he belongs in the conversation. If he wasn't on the Lakers, they would be a 25 win team. He makes a huge impact to his team and has singlehandedly led them to the playoffs, that's my only point. I like LeBron, but if the Cavs were in the West, they would be a 6-8 seed as well. The East is soooo much weaker than the West that 46 wins and a 4 seed isn't that impressive. Again, I don't think Kobe should win, but he should finish 2nd or 3rd in the voting.
As for Iverson, not only did he lead his team to the playoffs in the early 2000s, he led his team to an NBA finals appearance. That's something Steve Nash has never done.
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Yeah, right now, there's no way I'd put Lebron ahead of Kobe in the MVP vote. Lakers play in a tougher conference, and Kobe and Lebron serve similar functions -- namely SG/SF hybrid scorers -- on their respective teams. Plus Kobe's defense, which has slipped the past 2 years, is still better than Lebron.
The problem with the Kobe vote is that he only got a 4th place standing last year. That year, he had the highest scoring average in 10+ years, and of course dropped epochal games against Dallas and Toronto. This year, his team's record is worse, and his numbers aren't as impressive. Neither are his fault, really. But last year was as close as Kobe gets to MVP convention until the Lakers actually become good. Seriously, the Lakers are really, really close to missing the playoffs altogether.
In any case, NBA MVP awards usually go to the top players of the elite teams. Whereas you'll see the coaching award reserved for not necessarily top-tier teams that have experienced great turnarounds.
The problem with the Kobe vote is that he only got a 4th place standing last year. That year, he had the highest scoring average in 10+ years, and of course dropped epochal games against Dallas and Toronto. This year, his team's record is worse, and his numbers aren't as impressive. Neither are his fault, really. But last year was as close as Kobe gets to MVP convention until the Lakers actually become good. Seriously, the Lakers are really, really close to missing the playoffs altogether.
In any case, NBA MVP awards usually go to the top players of the elite teams. Whereas you'll see the coaching award reserved for not necessarily top-tier teams that have experienced great turnarounds.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
"Bryant finished with 50 points on 18-of-25 shooting Sunday night to carry the Lakers to a 109-98 victory over Seattle that clinched a playoff spot for Los Angeles.
Bryant scored 50 or more for the 10th time this season, the third-highest total in NBA history behind Wilt Chamberlain's 45 times with 50 or more in 1961-62, and Chamberlain's 30 times the following season.
Bryant has reached the 50-point plateau 21 times in his career."
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6689444?MSNHPHMA
Impressive.
Bryant scored 50 or more for the 10th time this season, the third-highest total in NBA history behind Wilt Chamberlain's 45 times with 50 or more in 1961-62, and Chamberlain's 30 times the following season.
Bryant has reached the 50-point plateau 21 times in his career."
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6689444?MSNHPHMA
Impressive.
It was not even brought to a trial...
armand
Banned
Aren't we so lucky to live in a society where a person is guilty until proved innocent?
Some people should really try living under the red flag, where the state has the authority to take you or anyone else away without even a single word of explaining why. Never to be heard of again, never finding out where or how or why. And if you want to make a complaint about your loved one disappearing into oblivion, you better be prepared to pay for that question with your life, your home or even more loved ones.
Deuce
Banned
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
Armand and Steve, I see your points, but unfortunately I admit I live in the court of public opinion. The entire scene reaked of wrongdoing, from the way her name was "accidentally" leaked to the public to the buy-off ring the wife received. True, the case never made it to court, but neither do the majority of rape or abuse cases in the world so I tend do side with reason. I admit it's not fair but my opinion is only one and I can be judgmental in these situations, but I look at behaviour as well as athletic ability when looking at these titles and he fails to live up to my standard in a role model for today's youth.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
Couldn't be further from the truth actually, I hate the Lakers. Guess you didn't notice my earlier posts mocking the fact that Kobe is even considered for MVP.
I followed the case closely, & there were so many holes in her story & people that knew her/worked with her that provided revealing info about that night. Very often DAs are trying to make a name for themselves & push forward with minimal evidence with high profile cases. They can often parlay this into another career(writing books, being an analyst, etc)
Did you or canandian chic see the 60 minutes last weekend about the Duke lacrose team rape case? Its absurd that the charges weren't immediately dismissed, there was so much hard evidence exonerating the suspects. Yet that DA still persisted for a over a year, even refusing to see evidence that proved their innocence, why do you think he did that?
Yes a lot of rape cases don't make it to court, but there are many false accusations as well, which is a factor in why some of them don't make it that far.
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BigServer1
Legend
Here is the story that I heard from a source close to the situation:
Kobe and the woman engaged in sex that was initially approved by both parties. After a while, Kobe tried to "take it to another level", which the woman wasn't comfortable with. It was at that time the woman broke away from Kobe and the incident was over (I never heard anything concrete about Kobe physically "forcing" her to continue). The woman proceeded to accuse Kobe of raping her.
Her case essentially fell apart when DNA showed semen from THREE different men in the underwear she was wearing at the time of the incident (Mods, I'm trying really hard to keep this as clean as possible). That proceeded to destroy her credibility and paint her as a nymphomaniac. Combine that with the fact that the "assailant" was a very attractive, rich professional athlete and it was case closed.
I am sure there was some wrongdoing on Kobe's part. Don't think for a minute that he was sparkling clean in this situation, but rape is a serious charge, and it's something he didn't commit. Same thing with the Duke Lacrosse case. There was probably some wrongdoing at the party in question, but those three guys didn't rape that girl, yet their lives and credibility were destroyed by a "rogue" Prosecutor looking to get re-elected.
Kobe and the woman engaged in sex that was initially approved by both parties. After a while, Kobe tried to "take it to another level", which the woman wasn't comfortable with. It was at that time the woman broke away from Kobe and the incident was over (I never heard anything concrete about Kobe physically "forcing" her to continue). The woman proceeded to accuse Kobe of raping her.
Her case essentially fell apart when DNA showed semen from THREE different men in the underwear she was wearing at the time of the incident (Mods, I'm trying really hard to keep this as clean as possible). That proceeded to destroy her credibility and paint her as a nymphomaniac. Combine that with the fact that the "assailant" was a very attractive, rich professional athlete and it was case closed.
I am sure there was some wrongdoing on Kobe's part. Don't think for a minute that he was sparkling clean in this situation, but rape is a serious charge, and it's something he didn't commit. Same thing with the Duke Lacrosse case. There was probably some wrongdoing at the party in question, but those three guys didn't rape that girl, yet their lives and credibility were destroyed by a "rogue" Prosecutor looking to get re-elected.
Phil
Hall of Fame
Damn, you've got to ask yourself what kind of a person wouldn't wash, or at least change their underwear after all that...uhmmm...wear.
Probably the kind of person that experienced that.... wear.... all in the one evening out on the town, perhaps? :| Ugghhh....
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
Come on guys...can't a girl have a little fun anymore without all the judgment?:-o
armand
Banned
I saw it and I was shocked to see this kind of thing happen in a high level court(or gov't attorney) in the U.S. I can now imagine what medievil witch hunts were like but replace burning torches with banners and protest signs declaring guilt and demanding savage punishment.
here's the link to the video
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml
BigServer1
Legend
Deuce, this wasn't the media that I heard this from. It is a source that is close to the situation. That's all I can say, so you can believe me or not, but I assure you that it wasn't the media.
Andres
G.O.A.T.
If the 'girl having little fun' starts sueing people for "Rape", the answer is NO
Exactly, so people should not be so extremely judgemental toward him in this situation IMO. At least, they should not bring it up when discussing his candidacy for MVP. If he is proven guilty, then that is a different story.
mabuhay
Rookie
Although he doesn't have an MVP vote, James said he would lean toward giving one to Kobe Bryant, who has never won the award. "It's unbelievable," he said. "He's definitely the best player in the NBA — to me. I don't know if (winning the award) is important to him or not. But he has three (championship) rings and that's what it's all about."
http://www.cleveland.com/ap/stories...-27/1176947047214280.xml&storylist=topstories
