NCAA individuals - final stretch

Nostradamus

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Lol, maybe Zheng knew about Stanford and picked Columbia instead! (Iirc he had an offer from Stanford.)

Anyway, saw the end of his match. No celebration, no emotions. Just a hardly noticeable fist pump. What an understated guy.

I heard he wanted to be closer to home so chose columbia. but had he chosen stanford, it would have been almost unfair to the rest of the field. If Zheng was on the stanford squad this year,, it would have been unfair advantage.


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Sureshot

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I heard he wanted to be closer to home so chose columbia. but had he chosen stanford, it would have been almost unfair to the rest of the field. If Zheng was on the stanford squad this year,, it would have been unfair advantage.


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Agree. Ofc this is hypothetical but a 1-2 punch of Basavareddy and Zheng could have matched Spizzirri-Braswell or JPJ-Fearnley with good quality down below in Banerjee, Kang and Basing. Zheng's also a pretty good doubles player.

But as we know that's neither here nor there.
 

Nostradamus

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Agree. Ofc this is hypothetical but a 1-2 punch of Basavareddy and Zheng could have matched Spizzirri-Braswell or JPJ-Fearnley with good quality down below in Banerjee, Kang and Basing. Zheng's also a pretty good doubles player.

But as we know that's neither here nor there.
What might have been ,, what might have been this year.................. :unsure: :unsure: that team could have been unstoppable
 

mikej

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Lol, maybe Zheng knew about Stanford and picked Columbia instead! (Iirc he had an offer from Stanford.)

Anyway, saw the end of his match. No celebration, no emotions. Just a hardly noticeable fist pump. What an understated guy.
Granted, that final point second serve Zheng returned was raising the white flag, I’ll hit zero serves that meek when I play this evening - maybe opponent already physically defeated by that point
 

jcgatennismom

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Very interesting final four. I think I saw that it’s the first time any of the 4 schools represented have had a player make the semifinals before.
Only a few years ago, Mich State was a basement team in P5. Great to see Baris and MSU rise in rankings esp in light of the loss of Minnesota and Iowa programs a few years ago.
 

jcgatennismom

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Boy and all the hot air of how American's are all 1 stars recruits and how we need Europeans to come over and improve the skill of college tennis... (n) (n) (n)
No one implied that on the other thread. I think we meant that we disagreed that just because a player trained 10 years and was an American that he deserved a D1 spot. Our 5 stars and blue chips can compete with the best of the world on college courts and even a few of the former 4 stars are late bloomers who develop in college. Alexander Kovacevic who is now in top 100 ATP was a 4 star most of his HS career-became a 5 star late his senior year. Then he reached 1 in the lineup for Illinois. However most US freshmen who start on top 20 teams were top 10 in their class-all the QFs were top 10 TRN so very small percentage of total U18 boys.
 

LOBALOT

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No one implied that on the other thread. I think we meant that we disagreed that just because a player trained 10 years and was an American that he deserved a D1 spot. Our 5 stars and blue chips can compete with the best of the world on college courts and even a few of the former 4 stars are late bloomers who develop in college. Alexander Kovacevic who is now in top 100 ATP was a 4 star most of his HS career-became a 5 star late his senior year. Then he reached 1 in the lineup for Illinois. However most US freshmen who start on top 20 teams were top 10 in their class-all the QFs were top 10 TRN so very small percentage of total U18 boys.

Actually there was post about American's and 1 stars which is why I actually used that term. I agree with you i.e. just because a kid is American they do not deserve a spot on a D1 team. I just don't agree in that other thread that American's cannot play this sport because they certainly can and do and we are seeing it now.
 

andfor

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Only a few years ago, Mich State was a basement team in P5. Great to see Baris and MSU rise in rankings esp in light of the loss of Minnesota and Iowa programs a few years ago.
New coaches at MSU, Baris being from the area and then picking up 5th yr. Hohmann made the difference. Good to see them doing well.

BTW, JJ Tracey was serving his first serve underhanded near the end of today's match against Zheng. Will be interesting to see how he holds up in doubles later today.
 

jcgatennismom

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New coaches at MSU, Baris being from the area and then picking up 5th yr. Hohmann made the difference. Good to see them doing well.

BTW, JJ Tracey was serving his first serve underhanded near the end of today's match against Zheng. Will be interesting to see how he holds up in doubles later today.
Probably helps too that Lansing hosts a Future in fall. WCs for players...Funny story-Lansing and Columbus had a Future on the same Nov weekend one year (maybe they do every year). Players who were on alternate list for Qualis for both had to rank choice their sites. Right before the freeze date, many players were still alternates on both lists. Ended up Columbus the 25K had 6 byes in Qualis that year and in Lansing the 15K the Qualis were full. Guess players thought their chances were better in Lansing.
 

ClarkC

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Boy and all the hot air of how American's are all 1 stars recruits and how we need Europeans to come over and improve the skill of college tennis... (n) (n) (n)
I think you got that discussion backwards. It was whiners saying that Americans don't get a fair chance. Seems refuted by the results.
 

ClarkC

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Actually there was post about American's and 1 stars which is why I actually used that term. I agree with you i.e. just because a kid is American they do not deserve a spot on a D1 team. I just don't agree in that other thread that American's cannot play this sport because they certainly can and do and we are seeing it now.
But you misrepresented that post. Go back and read it.
 

roxieap12

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ClarkC

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1) Stoiana and Pinnington both dusted their opponents today - crazy impressive that they’re both bringing it in individuals after the team event

2) social media claims Stoiana only player still in the running for triple crown (team / singles / doubles) - can anyone name the last player to do this (men or women) in 2001 - I like to think I know a good amount of college tennis history / trivia in the 2000s and I wasn’t that close to remembering this one until I looked it up…
Stoiana and Kupres lost to Tennessee, so no Triple Crown this year.
 

LOBALOT

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But you misrepresented that post. Go back and read it.

No I didn't here is what you said in post 367:

Sure. There are plenty of 1-star American recruits at TennisRecruiting.net. Maybe they should all get spots just for being Americans.

It is pretty clear what your point is. Your sarcastic comment is that there are plenty of 1 star American recruits and that we should hand them spots on teams in a sarcastic fashion. This was in response to my comment that there are many American kids who are good players looking for spots on teams.

So maybe you should reread my position on this.

No I don't think American kids should be handed spots but yes I think there are many very talented American kids who have worked hard and are very skilled and again we are seeing it play out so the timing of that other thread is very fitting as we are seeing indeed that there are very many talented Americans and in the end they exceed the non-Americans in the D1 singles draw that remain.
 
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Sureshot

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Very impressive of Zheng attending an Ivy to reach SFs. Even more impressive to me is how he as a junior maintained the grades and rigorous schedule to get into Columbia while at the same time reaching a junior ITF career high of 32 in world.
It says in his bio he went to online school which is less demanding than regular schooling. I have heard you only need 1-2 APs to gain admission into Ivies as an athlete. Which also makes it a bit less stressful. But regardless an awesome achievement and more so now that he’s excelling on the court while keeping his academics intact.
 

stoxtrader

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Crazy that Lopata is the #4 on Georgia and is in the semis. Really making the most of her opportunity to play the top players. Mary's draw has been relatively easy thus far (based on rankings), but that changes tomorrow. She will most likely have to face Noel and Rajecki (both of whom have beaten her previously). It's fair to say she did not have her A game today, especially at the net. I think the early start after 6 days straight of singles/doubles at later times might have thrown her off a bit. A little extra rest should help her tomorrow. I think she's a step above the field, because of her aggressiveness to get to the net, but I'm also 100% biased.
 

mikej

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Crazy that Lopata is the #4 on Georgia and is in the semis. Really making the most of her opportunity to play the top players. Mary's draw has been relatively easy thus far (based on rankings), but that changes tomorrow. She will most likely have to face Noel and Rajecki (both of whom have beaten her previously). It's fair to say she did not have her A game today, especially at the net. I think the early start after 6 days straight of singles/doubles at later times might have thrown her off a bit. A little extra rest should help her tomorrow. I think she's a step above the field, because of her aggressiveness to get to the net, but I'm also 100% biased.
regardless of the doubles loss what she's been accomplishing the past 10 days has been incredible, rooting for her to finish it with a singles title
 
It says in his bio he went to online school which is less demanding than regular schooling. I have heard you only need 1-2 APs to gain admission into Ivies as an athlete. Which also makes it a bit less stressful. But regardless an awesome achievement and more so now that he’s excelling on the court while keeping his academics intact.

Talked with a couple coaches in the Ivy league and they both said CoVID pandemic made it much easier to get kids in due to standardized test scores (SAT/ACT/etc) no longer being required. Each brought up specific examples of contributors who would have had no shot getting in pre-pandemic.
 

ClarkC

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No I didn't here is what you said in post 367:

Sure. There are plenty of 1-star American recruits at TennisRecruiting.net. Maybe they should all get spots just for being Americans.

It is pretty clear what your point is. Your sarcastic comment is that there are plenty of 1 star American recruits and that we should hand them spots on teams in a sarcastic fashion. This was in response to my comment that there are many American kids who are good players looking for spots on teams.

So maybe you should reread my position on this.

No I don't think American kids should be handed spots but yes I think there are many very talented American kids who have worked hard and are very skilled and again we are seeing it play out so the timing of that other thread is very fitting as we are seeing indeed that there are very many talented Americans and in the end they exceed the non-Americans in the D1 singles draw that remain.
Clearly you don't understand sarcasm, even when you label it as sarcasm, else you would not have originally quoted it as if it were a serious suggestion. In addition to being sarcasm, it was a rhetorical device known as reductio ad absurdum. "American kids who are good players" contains a phrase that needs defining: "good players." How good? Hence the reductio ad absurdum.

Right now, there are spots for all American tennis players in college teams, except maybe for some 1-stars. The question is whether 4-stars could move up to programs that currently demand 5 stars if there were less foreign competition, and likewise for 3-stars moving up to 4 star programs, etc. Of course, they could. The question is whether a 3-star "deserves" to play for a certain program. Ditto for 4-star and 2-star etc. recruits.
 
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LOBALOT

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Clearly you don't understand sarcasm, even when you label it as sarcasm, else you would not have originally quoted it as if it were a serious suggestion.

You are right I am confused then so clearly indicate what you were suggesting in your post and if I misconstrued I will certainly apologize. What was it you were suggesting?
 

Nostradamus

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this michael Baris dude is pretty hillarious.. He wins the 1st point of the match and goes crzay, yelling cmon and all the other stuff. :-D :-D

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LOBALOT

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You are right I am confused then so clearly indicate what you were suggesting in your post and if I misconstrued I will certainly apologize. What was it you were suggesting?

I am sorry I didn't get that from the post. I agree with your statement and am sorry.

A 4 star is very good player and some should play D1 but right now I see them going to the top D3 programs looking at tennis recruiting. That is fine with me as they are landing at the top D3 programs one just needs to look no further than the university athletic and NESCAC conferences and that makes D3 better.
 

Nostradamus

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Drama par excellence. Planincek comes back from 6-3 down in the third set breaker!
Now its Zheng who is american vs Planincek who is from slovakia, i believe. Planincek not going to get a wildcard even if he wins. but may get a wildcard into qualifying draw ?? But this dude has no groundies, he's all serve and that's is it....LOL. He's not going anywhere in the pros, even in D1, his record was abysmal.... this year... LOL. He lost ton of matches.

Zheng has to win this and get the US open wildcard,, don't waste this chance. Win this and transfer to the Farm next year. (y)
 

Sureshot

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Now its Zheng who is american vs Planincek who is from slovakia, i believe. Planincek not going to get a wildcard even if he wins. but may get a wildcard into qualifying draw ?? But this dude has no groundies, he's all serve and that's is it....LOL. He's not going anywhere in the pros, even in D1, his record was abysmal.... this year... LOL. He lost ton of matches.

Zheng has to win this and get the US open wildcard,, don't waste this chance. Win this and transfer to the Farm next year. (y)
I don't think he's stepping foot on the Farm. And if he has a good USO and summer he'll be gone from Columbia too. Last year, I think he won a couple rounds in the USO qualies.
 

Sureshot

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Baris probably feeling miserable at letting it go especially after he fought off match point in the second set on a gift from Planincek. But great season for him and lots to look forward to. Ditto for Colton Smith who beat some very good players along the way.
 

Nostradamus

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I don't think he's stepping foot on the Farm. And if he has a good USO and summer he'll be gone from Columbia too. Last year, I think he won a couple rounds in the USO qualies.

Right but he's not ready for the pro tour yet. He just doesn't have any weapons that he needs to be effective tour player. His 1st serve is decent but even that isn't pro caliber yet. and his groundies lack power on both sides. He has the speed but put everything back in play doesn't translate well in ATP tour.
 

Sureshot

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Right but he's not ready for the pro tour yet. He just doesn't have any weapons that he needs to be effective tour player. His 1st serve is decent but even that isn't pro caliber yet. and his groundies lack power on both sides. He has the speed but put everything back in play doesn't translate well in ATP tour.
Agree he's got some work to do. But if he wins tomorrow, he'd be like EQ and Shelton. Why come back to college when you've won it all? Nothing left to prove at that point.
 

andfor

Legend
I don't think he's stepping foot on the Farm. And if he has a good USO and summer he'll be gone from Columbia too. Last year, I think he won a couple rounds in the USO qualies.
Agree he's got some work to do. But if he wins tomorrow, he'd be like EQ and Shelton. Why come back to college when you've won it all? Nothing left to prove at that point.

Sticking with my pick MZ. I believe his return game and ability to move Planicek at will, will be the difference tomorrow. The contrast in styles and so much on the line should make it a very good match.
 

Sureshot

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Sticking with my pick MZ. I believe his return game and ability to move Planicek at will, will be the difference tomorrow. The contrast in styles and so much on the line should make it a very good match.
With you on this pick. He overcame Smith whose terrific movement helped him beat Basavareddy. You have to be an elite mover to challenge Zheng because he patiently waits for his opportunity to strike. Planinsek doesn't appear to be that. But he's got a big game, and that'll either be his blessing or curse tomorrow.
 

andfor

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With you on this pick. He overcame Smith whose terrific movement helped him beat Basavareddy. You have to be an elite mover to challenge Zheng because he patiently waits for his opportunity to strike. Planinsek doesn't appear to be that. But he's got a big game, and that'll either be his blessing or curse tomorrow.
Exactly. His ability to open the court at the right time, then move the ball off the court creating an uncomfortable next shot is close to elite level.
 

Nostradamus

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Agree he's got some work to do. But if he wins tomorrow, he'd be like EQ and Shelton. Why come back to college when you've won it all? Nothing left to prove at that point.
He can transfer to Stanford and win the Team title, that he could do. Columbia has no chance at the team title, but if he transfers to the Farm, he will definitely be favored with the team that will be very strong. :)
 
Hmm actually I have a different read on Zheng's game. He seems to convincingly beat the athletic mover type who gives him time to set up his shots - Wins over Smith, Nanda, Boulais, etc but struggles with people who can hit him off the court (poor h2h with williams, Monday, spizz). Im kinda nervous about the plainsek matchup honestly, they split in an unfinished match earlier in the season

In any case i think this year ncaa individuals is weaker than last...styler eq seems like a much higher level match up than this one, but maybe it's nostalgia. i do believe both eq and styler were about 14 utr at the time of the final
 
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Sureshot

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Hmm actually I have a different read on Zheng's game. He seems to convincingly beat the athletic mover type who gives him time to set up his shots - Wins over Smith, Nanda, Boulais, etc but struggles with people who can hit him off the court (poor h2h with williams, Monday, spizz). Im kinda nervous about the plainsek matchup honestly, they split in an unfinished match earlier in the season

In any case i think this year ncaa individuals is weaker than last...styler eq seems like a much higher level match up than this one, but maybe it's nostalgia. i do believe both eq and styler were about 14 utr at the time of the final
I don't think it's that cut and dried. He beat Fearnley who can hit anyone off the court. Also, in his run at the DR Challenger last summer he took out some big hitters.
 

mikej

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Looks very likely that Noel from Miami will be playing in USO this year, unless UGA’s (formerly!) middle of the lineup player has one more win in her
 
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