Ncode Pro Open re-issue!!! *Screams in Lopez*

mrravioli

Semi-Pro
Wilson did a good job re issuing old classics, but apparently they don’t sell even closely as well as new fancy sticks. Head just let people scream instead which is probably sensible business wise
 

A_Instead

Hall of Fame
Hmmm...interesting these were pretty decent back in the day...
Wonder how it would be compared to the current offers of today...?
Perhaps the Kobra Tour reissue someday...let's hope..
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
Hmmm...interesting these were pretty decent back in the day...
Wonder how it would be compared to the current offers of today...?
Perhaps the Kobra Tour reissue someday...let's hope..
Any of the Pro Opens are miles better than the Ultra line. Assuming you can bring even a little racket head speed. Pure Drive ease of use without tennis elbow? ding!

Hmmm...interesting these were pretty decent back in the day...
Wonder how it would be compared to the current offers of today...?
Perhaps the Kobra Tour reissue someday...let's hope..
I don't feel the Kobra brought anything to the table that the Pro Opens did not. If they made a heavier Pro Open I thing it would largely perform the same with measurably better feel. Honestly leathering up a Pro Open did wonders for me feel-wise, but I witched back to synthetic for other reasons.

Basically, I love the Pro Opens and costing 100 bucks less than a modern frame that does not offer much (if any) more makes this a no-brainer for the tweener category. But marketing will do marketing things and these will fly under the radar
 

Seth

Hall of Fame
This is wonderful news. Prince brings back the Speedport Black (great frame), now Wilson with the Pro Open.
 

stingstang

Semi-Pro
Wilson did a good job re issuing old classics, but apparently they don’t sell even closely as well as new fancy sticks. Head just let people scream instead which is probably sensible business wise
It's easy money. No R&D, no marketing, no endorsements - just press the print button.

I didn't know the Npro was popular enough for a re-run though. Looking forward to the K95's
 
I know someone who plays with this racquet and could be very happy to see this reissue although the old racquets are listed at 7 pts headlight and the new ones are only 4pt. I wonder what prompted Wilson to reissue this and how long is it going to be around.
 
Come to think of it, all these years later and Wilson STILL can't find a popular tweener racquet line. Pro open, juice, ultra, burn clash= all attempts to copy the pure drive. I'll always have a soft spot for this racquet, as it was the first big boy racquet I played with in high school
 

Lavs

Professional
Come to think of it, all these years later and Wilson STILL can't find a popular tweener racquet line. Pro open, juice, ultra, burn clash= all attempts to copy the pure drive. I'll always have a soft spot for this racquet, as it was the first big boy racquet I played with in high school
Wilson became "copy machine" since they had been done with Pro Staff & Six One lines (which were fantastic rackets, especially original models).
Since then and till now:
- Blade => Head Radical
- Pro Open / Ultra / Juice / Clash <you name it> => Babolat Pure Drive
- Kobra => Babolat Aeropro Drive
- H19 / 22 / 25 => Head Prestige Pro Stocks
...
Did I miss anything?
 

Lavs

Professional
Any of the Pro Opens are miles better than the Ultra line. Assuming you can bring even a little racket head speed. Pure Drive ease of use without tennis elbow? ding!
I do not think that so. Performance-Wise Pro Open is nowhere near PD. Tennis Elbow is more a matter of technique + strings + tension than RA. As a matter of fact - Pure Drive with added weight and wise string/tension + good technique combination is not worse than any Wilson's copy in terms of comfort.
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
Doesnt Lopez use the XL version of this still? Interesting that they have changed the balance and the SW by a lot for the modern game. Also i thought the original was a very thick straight beam which is why i never tried it?
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
And i wanna know, if this reissue is made with the same quality graphite etc as the other wilson models, how can they sell it for only $129 at a profit? And how much profit do they make on their $229-$249 racquets?!
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
And i wanna know, if this reissue is made with the same quality graphite etc as the other wilson models, how can they sell it for only $129 at a profit? And how much profit do they make on their $229-$249 racquets?!
The cost of material is next to nothing.
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
Wilson did a good job re issuing old classics, but apparently they don’t sell even closely as well as new fancy sticks. Head just let people scream instead which is probably sensible business wise
the vocal users on such forum probably represent 1% of tennis players, if not less.
so while 10% of the forum users might be willing to buy some "good old" classic sticks, which by the way doesn't need to be 1 brand, the demand from these users might not be enough for industrial production.
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
Any of the Pro Opens are miles better than the Ultra line. Assuming you can bring even a little racket head speed. Pure Drive ease of use without tennis elbow? ding!
TTW published RA at 67.
At this level many users already complain about tennis elbow and wrist issues without even touching a Babolat.
So, how would this line be PD ease of use without tennis elbow?
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
Having a look at this, the original npro open had a 26mm straight beam according to TW. This reissue is 23/26. I think this is the blx pro open reincarnated again in npro PJ, thats my guess.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Continue to produce the 6.1 95 18x20 and re-issue the 6.1 95 16x19. Those frames should never be out of production. H22 and H19 are produced for a select few. Juniors and collegiate players could benefit from these frames being produced.
 
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aarenes

Rookie
@Zoolander - I just went to racquetfinder to compare specs and you are right.
The nPro re-issue is more like the BLX Pro Open specs ...and the beam width is different as well.
I have 1 Npro open and 4 BLX Pro Opens 2012....I for one am likely to take a plunge on this re-issue. If the feel and playability is the same, I might stock up on another 4 and retire my older ones

Original NPro Open
302 swingweight and 6 points HL
Material: Ncoded Graphite (probably means little)
Beam: Straight 26mm

BLX Pro Open
315 swingweight and 3points HL
Material: Basalt
Beam: Straight 26mm

NPro Open Re-issue
315 swingweight and 4 points HL
Material: Graphite (no BLX, no Karphorite, no Ncode!!!)
Beam: 23/26/23
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
@Zoolander - I just went to racquetfinder to compare specs and you are right.
The nPro re-issue is more like the BLX Pro Open specs ...and the beam width is different as well.
I have 1 Npro open and 4 BLX Pro Opens 2012....I for one am likely to take a plunge on this re-issue. If the feel and playability is the same, I might stock up on another 4 and retire my older ones

Original NPro Open
302 swingweight and 6 points HL
Material: Ncoded Graphite (probably means little)
Beam: Straight 26mm

BLX Pro Open
315 swingweight and 3points HL
Material: Basalt
Beam: Straight 26mm

NPro Open Re-issue
315 swingweight and 4 points HL
Material: Graphite (no BLX, no Karphorite, no Ncode!!!)
Beam: 23/26/23
My BLX Pro Opens are 100% NOT 26mm stright beam
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame



This was captured from the TW page in 2007. The tip of that frame does not look 26mm wither. Maybe TW can chime in on it.

If it *were* a BLX mold that would not be bad either... those frames were fire
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
TTW published RA at 67.
At this level many users already complain about tennis elbow and wrist issues without even touching a Babolat.
So, how would this line be PD ease of use without tennis elbow?
Thats 4 (3 depending on what generation) points under that of the pure drive. Thats a measurably softer frame considering it is a round-beam tweener. It wont solve tennis elbow but the risk is no doubt lower than if you used a pure drive. That being said its no 57 RA HEAD racket lol
 

A_Instead

Hall of Fame
With all of these different specs, what can be concluded of what racket this actually is??... one determination is that the paint scheme is a Ncode... but what else? what actual racket do we have here?.. this gets more and more interesting...
 

stingstang

Semi-Pro
Continue to produce the 6.1 95 18x20 and re-issue the 6.1 95 16x19. Those frames should never be out of production. H22 and H19 are produced for a select few. Juniors and collegiate players could benefit from these frames being produced.
Yeah, it's crazy the six one isn't in production. I picked up some 2017 reissues and they are great frames. They sold out very quickly at the time, I don't know where the idea that these reissues don't sell came from. The $129 price tag alone will mean these have no trouble.
 

A_Instead

Hall of Fame
If my memory serves me correctly.. i tried every 100 in this heritage.. one of my favs was the Kpro open.. the army green with yellow one..
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
Looking at the VLOG just posted on TWs Youtube page... it looks to be 26mm constant but rounded beam all the way down. They may have copied the BLX dimensions in a pinch. Mold-wise it seems to be an accurate representation of the NCode but the specs are quite interestingly different.
 

Bobble

Semi-Pro
Somebody buy this thing already and tell us how it is. Such an interesting reissue, wish they would splurge the extra 2 cents for the real buttcap.
 

aarenes

Rookie
I measured both the NPro Opens and BLX Pro Open (2012). They are both 26ish, especially at the beginning of the throat . Nowhere are they 23mm.
When I measure tape at the center of the hoop holding the tape flush to the elliptical beam, it actually is almost 30mm... but I assume these reported measurements are done using callipers vs measuring tape:)

So my assessment is that this is a BLX Pro Open spec (swing weight, RA, beam width) with NPro Open paint job and material (Graphite vs Basalt / BLX).
As many have said, BLX Pro Opens are great frames and I think with graphite vs BLX, the feel should be better.

With all of these different specs, what can be concluded of what racket this actually is??... one determination is that the paint scheme is a Ncode... but what else? what actual racket do we have here?.. this gets more and more interesting...
I'm going to eyeball measure my NPro Open and Pro Open when I get home in a couple of hours.
 

colan5934

Semi-Pro
And i wanna know, if this reissue is made with the same quality graphite etc as the other wilson models, how can they sell it for only $129 at a profit? And how much profit do they make on their $229-$249 racquets?!
Probably similar graphite quality, and when no money goes to the marketing of the racquet through pros or ads, that’ll help keep costs down.

Also, it may not be a huge profit margin...for example, the Head Ti.S6 has a wholesale cost around $75 which is barely below the $80 they regularly sell for. However, Head offers a large volume discount on that frame if enough are purchased, so places like TW and big-box sporting goods stores can get tons of them for a bit less than $75 and keep the price low. It TW bought a bunch, then Wilson made money even if they did use high quality graphite, though maybe not as big of a profit margin compared to a current racquet filled with modern updates.
 

A_Instead

Hall of Fame
I may get one as now that I am and can use poly in the low 40's..I am curios to see how it will perform..as back then I was not a full time poly user and strung mostly in the 50s..
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
Mpournas - can you measure them? I did measure them at the beginning of the hoop, the center of the hoop and at the middle of the bumper.
EXTREMELY crude measurement... the jig may not have been cut perfectly straight (reads 21-22mm but could easily be 23 at the bottom of the opening) but the point is still shown:

Tip and Throat are thinner than they middle of the head

*EDIT: After adjusting my tool and measuring, the results are: 22-23 Throat, 26 head, 24 tip
 
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