Ncode Tour 90

MTXR

Professional
So i just recieved the demo from TW, and when i pick it up this sucker feels like its a head heavy racquet. Does anyone find it that way to?

So i put it down and pick up the 6.0 85 and it doesn't feel like its head heavy at all....

So yeah according to the specs, it is 1 more point head light compared to the 6.0 85 and its a tad lighter, but overall this thing feels like its a beast compared to the 6.0 85.

Any thoughts?
 

Galactus

Banned
MTXR said:
So i just recieved the demo from TW, and when i pick it up this sucker feels like its a head heavy racquet. Does anyone find it that way to?

So i put it down and pick up the 6.0 85 and it doesn't feel like its head heavy at all....

So yeah according to the specs, it is 1 more point head light compared to the 6.0 85 and its a tad lighter, but overall this thing feels like its a beast compared to the 6.0 85.

Any thoughts?
Yep - I know exactly what you mean.
I got a ProStaff Tour 90 at the same time...which feels a ton better than the nCode. Dunno why, it just does.
I'm sure it's a great racquet when you get used to it...it's just getting used to it takes a long time!
Both the ProStaff and nCode 90's are about 355g in weight, yet the ncode feels much heavier and cumbersome....perhaps I should play with it more: afterall, 'The Champ''s been using it for the last two years, hasn't he?? :mrgreen: ;)
 

timmyboy

Professional
i doubt that, but on with the question:

just because of it's static weight, it's like that. i've never used a 6.0 before, but it really depends. i felt the same when i first tried it, but it doesn't really matter. it's still maneuverable.
 

finchy

Professional
IMO the ncode 90 is lame. the old tour 90 beats its pants off. with the ncode 90, i could only push my backhands over. it was just too heavy to use for me.
 

hoosierbr

Hall of Fame
I demoed the NCode Tour 90 a few weeks ago and I was immediately aware of its heft. I found it a little stiff and difficult to swing at first and had trouble generating head speed. But, after a couple of days of hitting with it, I got used to it and adjusted. In the end though, a bit too heavy for my personal taste.

You'll get adjusted to the racket after a bit and can then decide if it's right for your game.
 

MTXR

Professional
I am acustomed to heavy racquets as i use a PS 6.0 85. Its wierd that this racquet seems so heavy but the specs say its lighter than my 6.0 and that its feels head heavy and its 1pt more head light than my 6.0
 

stevewcosta

Professional
It's aggravating that Wilson can't get this right. Just make a damn 6.0 90 with great balance and make $. Doesn't seem that hard. Someone from this board should get a job in marketing. Wonder who these dopes are making these decisions. What do their marketing meetings sound like? "...How about we GO AHEAD (Office Space) and make a damn log that feels like crap and paint it pretty. The "dumb" consumers will be fooled into thinking it's better than the 6.0 85 because it's bigger...Plus, we'll just GO AHEAD and say this Nano-log is an upgrade." Idiots.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
finchy said:
IMO the ncode 90 is lame. the old tour 90 beats its pants off. with the ncode 90, i could only push my backhands over. it was just too heavy to use for me.
It's not the racquet's fault if you can only push your backhands over, good technique will assure you good backhand power, regardless of the frame.
 

MTXR

Professional
Alright round one has just been completed.

It was definitely different hitting with it. It definitely was more muted and less feel, but i didnt mind that at all. I had less mishits.

It seems as though i can't take a crazy cut with it and not have it sail out, but if i tone it down a bit than i was able to keep everything in the court and have power. It did give me a crazy plow thru crush the ball type of speed when i was hitting it real good.

I didn't have much chance at the net, but yeah it is a bit more difficult to manuever, but not by much. Overall i am pleased. I wasn't able to really demo the racquet with my serve today since i kinda tweaked a back muscle not warming up my serve properly.

Round two is coming up later tonight. I just got to eat a bit, and i will be ready to go.

I was playing a pusher though so, i dunno.

Anyone have any comments on the hitting out with the racquet or any comments in general?
 

armand

Banned
MTXR said:
Anyone have any comments on the hitting out with the racquet or any comments in general?
No. Oh wait, try doing a search and you might find a comment or two. Oh wait, make that 284,666 comments.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
stevewcosta said:
It's aggravating that Wilson can't get this right. Just make a damn 6.0 90 with great balance and make $. Doesn't seem that hard.
I agree 110%!!!! If Wilson made a true PS 6.0 90, they would sells millions of them just in the first year, as I'd bet most current 85 users would switch. They wouldn't even need to spend millions to market it. No need to pay pros millions to use it, either. Just put it out there and people will buy them by the boatload. Word of mouth will guarantee that they sell as many as they can make.

BTW, I want my PS 6.0 90's specs to be precisely in-between that of the PS 6.0 85 and the PS 6.0 95 for everything (i.e., headsize, weight, swingweight, beam width, balance, flex, etc.)
 

MTXR

Professional
I just came back from round 2 of tennis. The ncode and the other player totally beat me up. Everything aches. My arm, my shoulder, my knees, my back.

I did get a chance to go serve crazy with the racquet. And well i just couldn't for the life of me get the racquet going to hit my serve with speed. My serve seriously slowed down.

I thought i would be able to keep up since i use a 6.0 85 but man this ncode is KILLER. I could swing with the 6.0 for a lot longer than with this ncode, and i am able to whip the 6.0 around. In my opinion the ncode feels way heavy like a brick, compared to the 6.0. I am gonna rest up and give it a few more test drives. But so far, i dont think i will be switching to it.

And yes i have search extensively about the ncode.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
MTXR said:
I just came back from round 2 of tennis. The ncode and the other player totally beat me up. Everything aches. My arm, my shoulder, my knees, my back.

I did get a chance to go serve crazy with the racquet. And well i just couldn't for the life of me get the racquet going to hit my serve with speed. My serve seriously slowed down.

I thought i would be able to keep up since i use a 6.0 85 but man this ncode is KILLER. I could swing with the 6.0 for a lot longer than with this ncode, and i am able to whip the 6.0 around. In my opinion the ncode feels way heavy like a brick, compared to the 6.0. I am gonna rest up and give it a few more test drives. But so far, i dont think i will be switching to it.

And yes i have search extensively about the ncode.
Give it about 2-3 weeks amigo, and try to get on a ball machine with it. It took me about that long to get used to the difference in power that it has over the 85's. You give up a little feel, but you gain a little power.
 

hyperwarrior

Professional
I never played with PS 6.0 85 or the PS Tour 90. I switched from Wilson Hyper Hammer 4.0, Head-Heavy, 8.8 oz, to the ncode 90. I did struggle to the heft and thought if I did a good choice. I gave the ncode a chance and now I'm ok with it.
I agree that we don't feel head-light like the spec said. Weird!
 

linkster3o3

New User
i have both the ncode 90 and the tour 90.. they are completely different rackets indeed.. but personally, i can feel that the tour 90 is slightly heavier, just as what the specs indicate.. but the feel of hitting the ball is enormously different.. i have both strung exactly the same.. and i have to admit the tour 90 feels much better.. much more solid and control... while the ncode feels very flimsy.. it just feels really hollow inside.. you can literally feel the whole racket bending and flexing when you swing at the ball after hitting with the tour 90.. plus ncode produces much more power compared to the tour 90.. i remember the first day of getting the ncode.. and i have to admit, it was a very painful and tiring day.. but after the 2nd and 3rd day, your arm will get used to it.. and it'll feel awesome.. but for now.. i would pick the tour 90 over the ncode..
 

hyperwarrior

Professional
linkster3o3 said:
i have to admit, it was a very painful and tiring day.. but after the 2nd and 3rd day, your arm will get used to it.. and it'll feel awesome.. but for now.. i would pick the tour 90 over the ncode..
Exactly, I felt the same way the 1st time I try the racquet. I thought I was too weak for this racquet...
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
linkster3o3 said:
i have both the ncode 90 and the tour 90.. they are completely different rackets indeed.. but personally, i can feel that the tour 90 is slightly heavier, just as what the specs indicate.. but the feel of hitting the ball is enormously different.. i have both strung exactly the same.. and i have to admit the tour 90 feels much better.. much more solid and control... while the ncode feels very flimsy.. it just feels really hollow inside.. you can literally feel the whole racket bending and flexing when you swing at the ball after hitting with the tour 90.. plus ncode produces much more power compared to the tour 90.. i remember the first day of getting the ncode.. and i have to admit, it was a very painful and tiring day.. but after the 2nd and 3rd day, your arm will get used to it.. and it'll feel awesome.. but for now.. i would pick the tour 90 over the ncode..
I definately agree here. I'm just so stubborn that I left all of my 85's and tour 90's at home, so as to force myself to get used to the NCode 90's. I don't regret it now though, they grow on you like a fungus after a few weeks.
 

finchy

Professional
Fxanimator1 said:
It's not the racquet's fault if you can only push your backhands over, good technique will assure you good backhand power, regardless of the frame.
righht... and that explains how i can take huge cuts at the ball with my backhand with my tour 90, PS 6.0 95, a PS 6.1 classic, and a lm radical???

that ncrap90 is total junk. it reminds me of the NXG graphite. its heavy, cant feel anything, stiff, and just plays horrible without the string breakage.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
finchy said:
righht... and that explains how i can take huge cuts at the ball with my backhand with my tour 90, PS 6.0 95, a PS 6.1 classic, and a lm radical???

that ncrap90 is total junk. it reminds me of the NXG graphite. its heavy, cant feel anything, stiff, and just plays horrible without the string breakage.
Like I said, it's not the racquet's fault. I've used all of the frames you mentioned, with the exception of the Radical.
If you've used all the aforementioned frames, why in the world can't you hit a backhand with power using the NCode 90? I'm almost afraid to ask, but how did forehands feel?
 

Arafel

Professional
I was actually talking about this recently with someone. To read these boards you would think that the nCode is horrible and everyone hates playing with it (I use it, strung at 60 with X-1 Biphase and think it's the bomb, in full disclosure). However, it's just a very vocal minority on these boards. Most people who like it aren't necessarily on these boards. It's one of the better selling rackets out there. It's the people who don't like it who make a lot of noise; you generally don't here from people who like something a lot (with the exception of the PS 85 cult here). I like it a lot; it reminds me of my old Ultra 2, but a little more forgiving. And yes, I have played with the PS 85. And yes, it's a very good racket. But I don't think it's the holy grail a lot of people here would have you believe. If you are an SVr, it's probably better for you than the nCode 6.1 90. However, if you are a power baseliner, I think you would be better served by the nCode than the PS 85.

I will say that when I pulled out a PS 85 and used it for a set, I liked it a lot, and it was initially hard to switch back to the nCode, but after about 6 games I got used to the nCode again. Funny, it's a little easier to switch from my Kramer Pro Staff and Evert autograph (which I carry in my racket bag and haul out every now and then) to the nCode than it is to go from the PS 85 to the nCode. I think if you've used the PS 85 a lot, the switch would be tough initially. But give the racket a few weeks and you might be surprised.

And yes, I plan to pick an 85 at some point, just cause it'd be another "classic" to have.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Arafel said:
I was actually talking about this recently with someone. To read these boards you would think that the nCode is horrible and everyone hates playing with it (I use it, strung at 60 with X-1 Biphase and think it's the bomb, in full disclosure). However, it's just a very vocal minority on these boards. Most people who like it aren't necessarily on these boards. It's one of the better selling rackets out there. It's the people who don't like it who make a lot of noise; you generally don't here from people who like something a lot (with the exception of the PS 85 cult here). I like it a lot; it reminds me of my old Ultra 2, but a little more forgiving. And yes, I have played with the PS 85. And yes, it's a very good racket. But I don't think it's the holy grail a lot of people here would have you believe. If you are an SVr, it's probably better for you than the nCode 6.1 90. However, if you are a power baseliner, I think you would be better served by the nCode than the PS 85.

I will say that when I pulled out a PS 85 and used it for a set, I liked it a lot, and it was initially hard to switch back to the nCode, but after about 6 games I got used to the nCode again. Funny, it's a little easier to switch from my Kramer Pro Staff and Evert autograph (which I carry in my racket bag and haul out every now and then) to the nCode than it is to go from the PS 85 to the nCode. I think if you've used the PS 85 a lot, the switch would be tough initially. But give the racket a few weeks and you might be surprised.

And yes, I plan to pick an 85 at some point, just cause it'd be another "classic" to have.
Thank you! Actually, I do the same as you, I take out the 85's and hit for a while just out of comparative curiosity. I do like the powerful impact on the 90's though, it feels as though it's thoroughly crushing the ball, on forehands and backhands.
 

finchy

Professional
Fxanimator1 said:
Like I said, it's not the racquet's fault. I've used all of the frames you mentioned, with the exception of the Radical.
If you've used all the aforementioned frames, why in the world can't you hit a backhand with power using the NCode 90? I'm almost afraid to ask, but how did forehands feel?
forehands actually felt pretty good. its just the manuverability that put me off totally. the ncode90 does have great stability and good power IMO for the forehand, but its not a dream racquet for a one handed backhand, which needs a racquet with which you can whip through the shot. i just thought that the ncode was way to bulky feeling to whip around on the backhand side.
 

MTXR

Professional
Yes i agree it feels like its bulky. I have no idea why this should be like this since its 9 pts head light.
 

finchy

Professional
balance is just a number. sure, you can call it 9pts headlight, but if it swings like a rock, that number doesnt matter. IMO, swingweight explains it all.
 

Flatspin

Rookie
I enjoyed the NCode 90. I could hit well from the minute I picked it up. I had to really keep my focus and strike the ball correctly ... meaning good racquet prep. Had alot of "fun factor" ..... such a precise and accurate frame and if the ball is hit flush ... alot of power for a mid. The last time I evaluated .... I'm a 5.0 player ...... and I really have to be on top of my game to be effective with it. Great frame .... but perhaps a little too demanding. After a set ...... I was struggling in a game situation. It's just a "whole lot" of racquet to keep moving over a couple of sets. Youth and strength, fitness go along way with this racquet. It's a racquet thats "to good" for most of us! IMO It's an awesome frame for a few!
 

MTXR

Professional
Ok, i have concluded that my backhands and forehands have 2x the power with the ncode tour 90 compared to the 6.0 85, but i have lost the ability to serve effectively. So i think its better to work on the power with the 85 and put down the ncode.

Volleys though are easier to put more punch on.

I don't want to lose an aspect of my game by switching racquets.

What do you guys think?
 

Arafel

Professional
What issues are you having with your serve? It sounds like you'd be better off learning how to serve effectively with the nCode, if you are getting more power with your groundstrokes and more punch on your volleys with the racket. 4 strokes better with the nCode vs. 1 with the PS 85? Seems like a no-brainer to me. However, YMMV.
 

armand

Banned
Look at all these 'problems' people are having with the nCode. I've hit with the nCode90 and I've already decided that I won't be buying it. It's not a terrible racquet by any means but it is just completely unnacceptable that Wilson releases a racquet that is not markedly better than its predecessor.
I'll just wait for the next iteration and hope it's better than the last.
 

MTXR

Professional
Well the thing with the serve is i can't whip it around like my 6.0. Like I am having trouble manuevering it. Its the manuverability that kills me. I can't get my arm going with this thing on serves like i can with the 6.0.

I don't know if its worth 180 either.
 

Galactus

Banned
I had two racquets: ProStaff Tour90 and an nCode nSix-one Tour90.
The nCode I've now sold on...and I've bought a ProStaff Original 6.0 85" :mrgreen:
 

MTXR

Professional
I am thinking maybe of finally picking up the ncode, since i have a 6.0 85, PST 90.

I think i might just work on the serve with the NCODE, i am missing the power from it for my groudies and volleys.
 

fedex27

Professional
none of you could tell teh difference between the ncode 6.1 90 or the tour 90 if they were painted the same as a random racquet.probaly the ps 6.0 85 also if it werent for the throat
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
fedex27 said:
none of you could tell teh difference between the ncode 6.1 90 or the tour 90 if they were painted the same as a random racquet.probaly the ps 6.0 85 also if it werent for the throat
Are you feeling OK? It's not wise to mix medications. ;)
 

alan-n

Professional
Another Tour 90 vs NCode debate LOL

I tried several tour 90's and NCode tour 90's. The production tolerances and quality of Wilson aren't great as some NCodes felt heavier and the regular Tour 90's and some tour 90's felt heavier than the NCodes.... Put them on a scale/masser and you'll see why, 2-4 grams differences, and yes that is noticeble if that weight is in the head = swing weight. The balance and swing weight of both should be the same, any differences is because of wilson's loose quality control.

Once you get your playing tension right for both racquets, they both play just about the same. Both racquets require you to commit to the shot and take a loose swing, if you jammed yourself with bad footwork and tried to change your swing after starting it expect to be punished. With the NCode your arm will take less of a beating for the misshit, with the tour 90 expect to take a few seconds shaking off the shock or.... get an ice pack and sit it out for a week, OUCH.

In terms of feel, if you use a vibration dampener than you've taken away the advantages of feel that the regular tour 90 has over the NCode.... Yes the NCode is more muted, but vibration dampeners mute racquets even more.... Hope noone who uses dampeners is complaining about the lack of feel .... The NCode's head felt more flexible than the Tour 90. The Tour 90 there is no forgive, you misshit your arm and shoulders take a brutal shocking beating.

Overall I felt both played nearly the same and when on, it didn't matter. I could pick up one racket after the next and still play the same shot / stroke... I've been used to playing with vibration dampeners so the crisp feeling of the racquet doesn't matter as much to me, as the sound of the ball strike and blur of hitting the ball gives me an indication of where the ball hit the string bed.
 

arky-tennis

Semi-Pro
One racquet that I prefer to the NCode 90 is the Kennex Heritage C. A wee bit bigger though, 93, this racquet to me feels great but also is a tad lighter.
 

pham4313

Professional
I havent tried the PST 90 or the PS 85 but the ntour 90 is pretty rewarding with angle putaway shots...topspin is easy to generate that helps the balls go with extreme angle either in the service box or just passing that line for crosscourt shots. Down-the-line approach shots are slo easy to hit with plenty of control.
 

Nadal_Rulz

Semi-Pro
i dont see why people say it feels so heavy. I used my coach's a couple timea and i liked the fell, and ddint feel heavy,maybe cause i was comign from my practicly 13 0Z T10GENII'S ?
 
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