Need advice for tension of poly/synth gut hybrid

[colonelforbin]

Greetings, all. I'm planning on stringing my Wilson K Factor Tour 90 with Kirschbaum Pro Line II 18g poly in the mains and Gosen OG-Sheep Micro 16g synth gut in the crosses.

My primary question is: should I string the crosses at a different tension from the mains? I've heard crosses should be strung at a higher tension in a poly mains/synth crosses setup (due to poly being stiffer), however, TW lists the stiffness of these strings as identical: 183 lb/in. Given that, should I just string both the mains and crosses at the same tension?

Any advice is appreciated, thanks.

 

[saleem]

Greetings, all. I'm planning on stringing my Wilson K Factor Tour 90 with Kirschbaum Pro Line II 18g poly in the mains and Gosen OG-Sheep Micro 16g synth gut in the crosses.

My primary question is: should I string the crosses at a different tension from the mains? I've heard crosses should be strung at a higher tension in a poly mains/synth crosses setup (due to poly being stiffer), however, TW lists the stiffness of these strings as identical: 183 lb/in. Given that, should I just string both the mains and crosses at the same tension?

Any advice is appreciated, thanks.

syn gut should be strung 4-6 lbs higher than poly regardless if it is in main or crosses.
I would do pro line 46lbs main and syn gut 50lbs crosses if I was going to do that set up.

 

[fjcamry]

syn gut should be strung 4-6 lbs higher than poly regardless if it is in main or crosses.
I would do pro line 46lbs main and syn gut 50lbs crosses if I was going to do that set up.

I don't t know about the racquet you're using . But in my youtek speed pro 18x20, I'm using the syngut 17g/ proline ll 17g 57/53 . The specs given in string comparisons are of 51lbs for the proline ll .


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[saleem]

I don't t know about the racquet you're using . But in my youtek speed pro 18x20, I'm using the syngut 17g/ proline ll 17g 57/53 . The specs given in string comparisons are of 51lbs for the proline ll .


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personal preference.
I do not like to string my poly over 50 lbs, 52lbs is a stretch limit of the poly, here is a really good article at g&g regarding stringing poly

"First of all, and perhaps the biggest obstacle to overcome, is to realize that poly-based strings are designed to perform best at lower tensions. We are talking a tension range in the 30’s – 40’s. The absolute top end of that range would be 52 pounds. Once you go beyond 52, you are entering the point of quickly diminishing returns."

 

[fjcamry]

personal preference.
I do not like to string my poly over 50 lbs, 52lbs is a stretch limit of the poly, here is a really good article at g&g regarding stringing poly goo.gl/SO4Pm0

If you look at the tw preferences it's from 51-55lbs . The syngut is usually strung in high 50s, that would make the co poly more at 51-55.


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[saleem]

If you look at the tw preferences it's from 51-55lbs . The syngut is usually strung in high 50s, that would make the co poly more at 51-55.


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those numbers are not for hybrid stringing but if it works for you that is great.

 

[fjcamry]

those numbers are not for hybrid stringing but if it works for you that is great.

Even though the full bed preferences don't drop as much at most 2-3 lbs , and the gap between the 2 strings should only be 2-5 lbs . Syn gut being the higher tension.


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[saleem]

Even though the full bed preferences don't drop as much at most 2-3 lbs , and the gap between the 2 strings should only be 2-5 lbs . Syn gut being the higher tension.


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as I said earlier if you like the way it works for you please keep doing it but follow this rule "syn gut should be strung 4-6 lbs higher than poly regardless if it is in main or crosses"

I do not like to exceed my poly tension above 50lbs.

 

[fjcamry]

as I said earlier if you like the way it works for you please keep doing it but follow this rule "syn gut should be strung 4-6 lbs higher than poly regardless if it is in main or crosses"

I do not like to exceed my poly tension above 50lbs.

Then I would put the syngut in the mains keeping at 55 and pl ll at 50-51 in crosses
. It is the softer co poly with pocketing we are talking about .

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[saleem]

Then I would put the syngut in the mains keeping at 55 and pl ll at 50-51 in crosses
. It is the softer co poly with pocketing we are talking about .

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that is good fj what ever you like.... enjoy and have fun game.

 

[fjcamry]

as I said earlier if you like the way it works for you please keep doing it but follow this rule "syn gut should be strung 4-6 lbs higher than poly regardless if it is in main or crosses"

I do not like to exceed my poly tension above 50lbs.

So sorry I didn't read this carefully . I'm staying as close to 52 for co poly now (53 actually) and keeping syngut 57 which is 4lbs higher than the co poly. Also 53/55 for a wider sweet spot in 1 racquet, being better than a 54/56.


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[saleem]

So sorry I didn't read this carefully . I'm staying as close to 52 for co poly now (53 actually) and keeping syngut 57 which is 4lbs higher than the co poly. Also 53/55 for a wider sweet spot in 1 racquet, being better than a 54/56.


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that should work out really good for you,
The 2 key points you want to keep in mind are not to exceed the poly tension over 52 and syn gut (and or multi) should be 4-6 lbs higher than poly regardless if it is in the mains or crosses, rest is all personal taste.

 

[colonelforbin]

syn gut should be strung 4-6 lbs higher than poly regardless if it is in main or crosses.
I would do pro line 46lbs main and syn gut 50lbs crosses if I was going to do that set up.

Thanks! I'll try that. So the syn gut should still be strung that much higher even though the poly is a lower gauge?

 

[fjcamry]

Thanks! I'll try that. So the syn gut should still be strung that much higher even though the poly is a lower gauge?

Yes I use 1.20, 1.25, 1.15 co poly , and syn gut 1.25


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[CopolyX]

long ongoing discusses on this....personal preference...find what is best for you, your frame and your game...

 

[Holliman]

57 for the SG cross and 52 for the Poly main is what I use. Gosen Sheep 16 and Wilson Revolve 17.

 

[fjcamry]

that should work out really good for you,
The 2 key points you want to keep in mind are not to exceed the poly tension over 52 and syn gut (and or multi) should be 4-6 lbs higher than poly regardless if it is in the mains or crosses, rest is all personal taste.

Hi what's your racquet setup with the co poly ? Weight , head size , string pattern, string gauge , string ?


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[fuzz nation]

Thanks! I'll try that. So the syn gut should still be strung that much higher even though the poly is a lower gauge?

For several years I've stringing for several players in my area, although I don't run a shop, I'm not USRSA certified, etc. The folks who use poly hybrids seem to have all sorts of preferences. Some like their poly mains at the same tension as the softer crosses, while others like their mains at a lower tension. It may come down to nothing more than getting the feel that's most familiar for that player.

A few years ago, the guidelines for dropping tension about 10% on the poly in any hybrid seemed reasonable enough, but that was when the early generations of poly offered stiffer strings. While I don't accuse newer co-polys of being especially arm-friendly, many of them are certainly a little softer than those early options. I think that for many poly/co-poly users, this has made using same tension all around in hybrids much less rare.

I only occasionally experiment with hybrids including rather thin poly mains (1.20mm). The thinner stuff seems to deliver much better feel than the thicker versions, at least for me. No surprise considering that the thinner string will be inherently softer than its thicker version at the same tension. I tried tensions all around at 50 lbs. in one frame and 48 lbs. in another - these are my Volkl C10's. For comparison, I'd typically string a full bed of syn. gut in these racquets at around 57 lbs. If I wanted a greater measure of control with those hybrids, I suppose my first alteration would be a bump of perhaps 3 or 4 lbs. in only the syn. gut crosses (16 ga. syn. gut), but I didn't need it.

At this point, I'd say that any tension guidelines out there these days are only that and not gospel. When players finds a layout with the best feel, they can usually play with a lot more confidence.

 

[fjcamry]

Sorry never mind .


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[fjcamry]

Duplicate post .

 

[alexsoin]

I'm trying different string setups in my Yonex Ai98s. I'm struggling to get enough power and my elbow/wrist aren't happy from full bed of stiff shaped poly strung around 55lbs. I went down to 50lbs and balls flying out a lot. Will it be worth trying poly/nattygut, poly/multy or poly/syngut for extra power but similar level of control as full poly at 55? I was thinking same Volkl Cylone 17 at 55 in mains and some softer string at 60 in crosses? I use MiStringer LO machine. Should I do any pre-stretching for cross string and how if so? Need an advice. Thank you.

 

[fjcamry]

I'm trying different string setups in my Yonex Ai98s. I'm struggling to get enough power and my elbow/wrist aren't happy from full bed of stiff shaped poly strung around 55lbs. I went down to 50lbs and balls flying out a lot. Will it be worth trying poly/nattygut, poly/multy or poly/syngut for extra power but similar level of control as full poly at 55? I was thinking same Volkl Cylone 17 at 55 in mains and some softer string at 60 in crosses? I use MiStringer LO machine. Should I do any pre-stretching for cross string and how if so? Need an advice. Thank you.

No prestretch necessary on syngut . Cross should be 57lbs for upper limit on my speed pro 18x20.


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[badmice2]

I'm trying different string setups in my Yonex Ai98s. I'm struggling to get enough power and my elbow/wrist aren't happy from full bed of stiff shaped poly strung around 55lbs. I went down to 50lbs and balls flying out a lot. Will it be worth trying poly/nattygut, poly/multy or poly/syngut for extra power but similar level of control as full poly at 55? I was thinking same Volkl Cylone 17 at 55 in mains and some softer string at 60 in crosses? I use MiStringer LO machine. Should I do any pre-stretching for cross string and how if so? Need an advice. Thank you.

I would got poly main and whatever you want to try at cross, that will likely retain the poly feel. You might not need to string up the crosses so high, 53 all around might do the trick.

 

[alexsoin]

I would got poly main and whatever you want to try at cross, that will likely retain the poly feel. You might not need to string up the crosses so high, 53 all around might do the trick.

I noticed if I go lower than 55lbs with Volkl Cyclone I cannot play with the setup after 2-3 hours of hitting (tension loss and total trampoline after that). If I go 55+ lbs I can play with the setup for 10+ hours until the strings break. Just hoping that softer cross string with better tension maintenance might address that. It's fine if strings snap after 5-6 hours of hitting, I can use some string savers and I restring myself.

 

[alexsoin]

I also heard that most poly/syngut players string syngut 3-4 lbs higher for better control and for consistency of tensions around the frame. But I will probably shred such setup in no time with my massive spiny FHs...