Need Advice on 5.0 NTRP Rating Bump Tragedy

RichVentura said:
Thank you. But I am the same tennis player and person that I was a month ago, and the same as I will be six or twelve months from now. I won’t let this 5.0 business go to my head. “Ego is the enemy” is my slogan on and off the court. A swollen self regard would only be a black hole of energy which only harms me. I will fight that.
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You’re a damn good tennis player. Accept it.
 
I’m often amazed at older players playing tennis at that level. Often they have been playing serious tennis since the Jimmy Carter Administration was in charge. That is a lot of tennis experience to counteract declining physical capabilities.
 
I know a guy at my club who had a legit 4.5 computer rating in 2019-20 at the age of 77 - he wins age group Golden Ball titles. He played singles/doubles against 55+ 4.5 players and could play I-formation crouching at the net. I guess he didn’t play USTA during the pandemic and now USTA has his rating at 4.0 - still not bad at the age of 80. He works out regularly at the gym to keep up his strength/flexibility, has long on-court practices, looks 15 years younger and that’s why he is an inspiring example for older players.
 
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socallefty said:
I know a guy at my club who had a legit 4.5 computer rating in 2019-20 at the age of 77 - he wins age group Golden Ball titles. He played singles/doubles against 55+ 4.5 players and could play I-formation crouching at the net. I guess he didn’t play USTA during the pandemic and now USTA has his rating at 4.0 - still not bad at the age of 80. He works out regularly at the gym to keep up his strength/flexibility, has long on-court practices, looks 15 years younger and I guess that’s why he is an inspiring example for older players.
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I love to read these stories! It gives me hope as a guy playing in his 50s and still trying to learn this frustrating game.
 
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socallefty said:
I know a guy at my club who had a legit 4.5 computer rating in 2019-20 at the age of 77 - he wins age group Golden Ball titles. He played singles/doubles against 55+ 4.5 players and could play I-formation crouching at the net. I guess he didn’t play USTA during the pandemic and now USTA has his rating at 4.0 - still not bad at the age of 80. He works out regularly at the gym to keep up his strength/flexibility, has long on-court practices, looks 15 years younger and that’s why he is an inspiring example for older players.
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That’s awesome. I know guts in their 70s who don’t move or hit hard well but beat guys in their 30s because they are smart, play high percentage tennis, and very rarely miss. That combination takes you far down the road to victory against younger and stronger players.
 
socallefty said:
I know a guy at my club who had a legit 4.5 computer rating in 2019-20 at the age of 77 - he wins age group Golden Ball titles. He played singles/doubles against 55+ 4.5 players and could play I-formation crouching at the net. I guess he didn’t play USTA during the pandemic and now USTA has his rating at 4.0 - still not bad at the age of 80. He works out regularly at the gym to keep up his strength/flexibility, has long on-court practices, looks 15 years younger and that’s why he is an inspiring example for older players.
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Yeah this is quite impressive. The guy who runs the club I play at is over 70 and still can compete in doubles at 4.5. He's had some health setbacks so it's harder for him to keep up at singles anymore.

I think Mark Vines still plays at a very high level, but I believe he is still in his 60's.
 
jhick said:
Yeah this is quite impressive. The guy who runs the club I play at is over 70 and still can compete in doubles at 4.5. He's had some health setbacks so it's harder for him to keep up at singles anymore.

I think Mark Vines still plays at a very high level, but I believe he is still in his 60's.
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Yeah Vines is 65 now, I would guess he's a 5.0 at least.
 
nyta2 said:
damn 65+, utr9.2+
high degree of placement
very entertaining to watch, and something for me to aspire to...
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This was more entertaining to watch than most of the non-pro youtube tennis videos I've seen. Great footwork, point construction. Tammen's slice backhand is amazingly accurate.

Just looke up Vines. Not at regular rec player. He has a win over Yannick Noah and has taken a set off of Lendl.
 
onehandbh said:
This was more entertaining to watch than most of the non-pro youtube tennis videos I've seen. Great footwork, point construction. Tammen's slice backhand is amazingly accurate.

Just looke up Vines. Not at regular rec player. He has a win over Yannick Noah and has taken a set off of Lendl.
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yeah, alot of the top guys played atp... but still f'ing cool to see what's possible at older ages.... something for me to aspire to.
it's like every 10y is a utr point - eg
70's: utr8
60's: utr9+
50's: utr10+
40's: utr11+
so basically i'm about as good as a 70y old..

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damn the #1 90y in itf is a utr5+.. so like a 4.0
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I now know what my retirement goals are... i got 40y-ish years to get that 90y gold ball...
 
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nyta2 said:
yeah, alot of the top guys played atp... but still f'ing cool to see what's possible at older ages.... something for me to aspire to.
it's like every 10y is a utr point - eg
70's: utr8
60's: utr9+
50's: utr10+
40's: utr11+
so basically i'm about as good as a 70y old..

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damn the #1 90y in itf is a utr5+.. so like a 4.0
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I now know what my retirement goals are... i got 40y-ish years to get that 90y gold ball...
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Got to have some luck with the body holding up that long. Take it from me, I know first hand. HAHA
 
CiscoPC600 said:
Whatever happened to the author of this post, i she still a 5.0?
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Looks like he took many months off but started playing again in September as a 4.5A. From his blog it appears he had a knee injury (arthritis?), so perhaps he had a successful medical appeal.

He is 2-3 in doubles matches this fall, but the matches are highly rated on Tennisrecord - he might get a 5.0 bump yet again.
 
TennisOTM said:
Looks like he took many months off but started playing again in September as a 4.5A. From his blog it appears he had a knee injury (arthritis?), so perhaps he had a successful medical appeal.

He is 2-3 in doubles matches this fall, but the matches are highly rated on Tennisrecord - he might get a 5.0 bump yet again.
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Ohh, forgot about the blog, I just checked his record. Funny, another thread triggered the memory of this old thread.
 
TennisOTM said:
Looks like he took many months off but started playing again in September as a 4.5A. From his blog it appears he had a knee injury (arthritis?), so perhaps he had a successful medical appeal.

He is 2-3 in doubles matches this fall, but the matches are highly rated on Tennisrecord - he might get a 5.0 bump yet again.
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Honestly I think it's almost impossible to get a medical appeal now unless you have a doctor filing an affidavit stating that your injury is permanent and you'll never be the same.
 
atatu said:
Honestly I think it's almost impossible to get a medical appeal now unless you have a doctor filing an affidavit stating that your injury is permanent and you'll never be the same.
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I don't doubt you, though this particular guy successfully appealed in the past with a written letter containing no medical reason. It's also possible that he was in auto-appeal range this year.
 
TennisOTM said:
I don't doubt you, though this particular guy successfully appealed in the past with a written letter containing no medical reason. It's also possible that he was in auto-appeal range this year.
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It probably varies from section to section as well, here in Texas it's pretty tough. I have a friend who is 67 years old take a bad fall on the court, he dislocated a shoulder and broke an arm. He's been out for over a year, he got a statement from his doctor and rehab notes from his PT detailing his injuries. No luck.
 
atatu said:
It probably varies from section to section as well, here in Texas it's pretty tough. I have a friend who is 67 years old take a bad fall on the court, he dislocated a shoulder and broke an arm. He's been out for over a year, he got a statement from his doctor and rehab notes from his PT detailing his injuries. No luck.
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I think that is a mandate from national and won't vary as much from section to section. Rich has since confirmed he got a DNTRP auto appeal, not medical, which is not surprising. Where there is a little wiggle room is on self-rating appeals. In the self-rating appeal (which is NOT a medical appeal), there is a section to explain anything else that might be relevant for the appeals committee to know about your game. In there, you can list a litany of age-related injuries and maladies, and they will consider that in the self-rating appeal. If you have a rating, that means quitting for 3 years until your rating expires and you can self-rate again.
 
RichVentura said:
I have the usual feeling of anxiety and doom — like I’m slowing up to court to be sentenced.
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Looks like you are 4.49 on TR and 4.28 equiv on WTN, so I’d say you’re 75% safe.

I’m probably about the same odds (4.35 and 4.53), but riding a 9-match win streak.
 
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I just read OP’s letter from second link of his post providing his rationale for appeal. Kudos for bold creativity!

After reading it, I believe that usta should redefine the 4.5A rating.

4.5A players should be allowed to compete in 4.5 league play, but their matches should be censored from calculating who advances to sectionals or nationals. In this way the A players can play with their C level friends without too much disruption of the competitive balance.
 
travlerajm said:
I just read OP’s letter from second link of his post providing his rationale for appeal. Kudos for bold creativity!

After reading it, I believe that usta should redefine the 4.5A rating.

4.5A players should be allowed to compete in 4.5 league play, but their matches should be censored from calculating who advances to sectionals or nationals. In this way the A players can play with their C level friends without too much disruption of the competitive balance.
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Already writing my next letter of appeal…. writing skills matter!
 
travlerajm said:
Looks like you are 4.49 on TR and 4.28 equiv on WTN, so I’d say you’re 75% safe.

I’m probably about the same odds (4.35 and 4.53), but riding a 9-match win streak.
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What do you think about my chances of getting bumped up?

TR = 3.98
Schmidt = 3.99
Singles High Confidence = 25.99
Doubles High Confidence = 26.21
League record = 17-3 (5 were mixed wins)
Tournament record = 8-7 (1 mixed loss, 2 losses in 4.5 dubs)
 
CiscoPC600 said:
What do you think about my chances of getting bumped up?

TR = 3.98
Schmidt = 3.99
Singles High Confidence = 25.99
Doubles High Confidence = 26.21
League record = 17-3 (5 were mixed wins)
Tournament record = 8-7 (1 mixed loss, 2 losses in 4.5 dubs)
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49%, are you going to appeal back down if it happens?
 
CiscoPC600 said:
What do you think about my chances of getting bumped up?

TR = 3.98
Schmidt = 3.99
Singles High Confidence = 25.99
Doubles High Confidence = 26.21
League record = 17-3 (5 were mixed wins)
Tournament record = 8-7 (1 mixed loss, 2 losses in 4.5 dubs)
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I have a feeling that usta will track the revised WTN algo closer this year, meaning you should be safe.
 
CiscoPC600 said:
What do you think about my chances of getting bumped up?

TR = 3.98
Schmidt = 3.99
Singles High Confidence = 25.99
Doubles High Confidence = 26.21
League record = 17-3 (5 were mixed wins)
Tournament record = 8-7 (1 mixed loss, 2 losses in 4.5 dubs)
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Did you get bumped?
 
CiscoPC600 said:
Yeah.. well yours converts to a .69.

:)
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I handicap my bump probability of about 25%. But that was before WTN outpredicted TR for yours. I had heard rumors before that the usta has more confidence in the post-recal WTN than in TR, which is why I mentioned earlier that I thought were were safe.

On TR, I notice a 4.5c guy on my mixed team is projected to be bumped to 5.0 (4.54) with “High” next to his projection.

OP has his projection at 4.45 with “Very Low”.

Mine says appeal available but with no qualifier, but not sure why my last match isn’t logged.

Do these represent probabilities of getting bumped? Or probabilities of winning appeal?
 
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travlerajm said:
I handicap my bump probability of about 25%. But that was before WTN outpredicted TR for yours. I had heard rumors before that the usta has more confidence in the post-recal WTN than in TR, which is why I mentioned earlier that I thought were were safe.

On TR, I notice a 4.5c guy on my mixed team is projected to be bumped to 5.0 (4.54) with “High” next to his projection.

OP has his projection at 4.45 with “Very Low”.

Mine says appeal available but with no qualifier, but not sure why my last match isn’t logged.

Do these represent probabilities of getting bumped? Or probabilities of winning appeal?
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