Need advice on Prince PCG 100 std vs Phantom Pro 100P 16x18

BHold81

Semi-Pro
I play with the PCG 100 standard length weighted up. But with the Prince Phantom Pro 100P going on sale, it’s got me curious. How do these two models compare? I love good plow, that’s why I weight up my PCG. Anybody out there hit with both of these weighted up?
 

graycrait

Legend
I traded my PP100P for a pair of PCG100LBs, seeing as I already had 10 PCG100LBs at the time in various less than 28" lengths.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
I actually found a few new PCG 100’s for a good price today so I’ll probably just grab more.
Though I have been following the Prince official thread, and they are releasing a Phantom Graphite 100 (complete w crossbar) in Japan, and said they may release it here also.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
I traded my PP100P for a pair of PCG100LBs, seeing as I already had 10 PCG100LBs at the time in various less than 28" lengths.
I have two PCG 100 Longbodies too. I thought about cutting them, but I have a friend extending one of my standards 1/2 an inch. Going to see how that goes first, since people are always begging you not to cut them on here
 

graycrait

Legend
@BHold81, I think 28" is too long for the PCG100LB, not so for the Chang Ti 95 LB. One of the gals I gave a lot of my PCG100LBs to was a former big D1 school scholarship player and former national junior champ in her home country. She thought 27.25 -27 &3/8" was the perfect length.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
@BHold81, I think 28" is too long for the PCG100LB, not so for the Chang Ti 95 LB. One of the gals I gave a lot of my PCG100LBs to was a former big D1 school scholarship player and former national junior champ in her home country. She thought 27.25 -27 &3/8" was the perfect length.
I’ve been trying to find a good Ti Chang 95 since you told me about it before. Trying to get a trade first
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
I like the PCG 100 a lot and was very impressed by the PP100P. The best part of it is its raw/direct feel which reminds me of the K90. Very addicting. Never experienced that in any other modern racquets. Overall it plays a bit easier than the PCG 100. Great feel, stabililty, and all-around performance. Power is a bit low. The new purple 100P is slightly more poweful, but its feel is more filtered - good but nothing special like the PP100P. Otherwise the two are very similar. I will put on a leather grip and give it another try. Tempted to get a couple.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
I like the PCG 100 a lot and was very impressed by the PP100P. The best part of it is its raw/direct feel which reminds me of the K90. Very addicting. Never experienced that in any other modern racquets. Overall it plays a bit easier than the PCG 100. Great feel, stabililty, and all-around performance. Power is a bit low. The new purple 100P is slightly more poweful, but its feel is more filtered - good but nothing special like the PP100P. Otherwise the two are very similar. I will put on a leather grip and give it another try. Tempted to get a couple.
Sounds like it’s definitely worth a hit
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
I like the PCG 100 a lot and was very impressed by the PP100P. The best part of it is its raw/direct feel which reminds me of the K90. Very addicting. Never experienced that in any other modern racquets. Overall it plays a bit easier than the PCG 100. Great feel, stabililty, and all-around performance. Power is a bit low. The new purple 100P is slightly more poweful, but its feel is more filtered - good but nothing special like the PP100P. Otherwise the two are very similar. I will put on a leather grip and give it another try. Tempted to get a couple.
I'm sorry but comparing a 100 frame to a 90 is basically saying the 100 is the worst of both worlds: small sweetspot of a mid and the sluggishness of an MP.

Many frames in the 93, 95, 97 range that are better.
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
I'm a lone dissenter here. I owned the PCG 100 briefly - for a month. At the time I also owned about 4 OS, a couple Mids and a couple Longbodies. Of the four Graphite variants, the one I enjoyed the least was the standard length 100. It was 6 years ago - so a bit of a stretch for my memory - but it had less power and spin than any of the others.

Today, I still have multiple OS and a Mid but no Longbodies. I have a Phantom Pro 100P and a 93P and they both get played more than my POGs. I have them both strung with gut/poly and do not find them harsh at all.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
I'm a lone dissenter here. I owned the PCG 100 briefly - for a month. At the time I also owned about 4 OS, a couple Mids and a couple Longbodies. Of the four Graphite variants, the one I enjoyed the least was the standard length 100. It was 6 years ago - so a bit of a stretch for my memory - but it had less power and spin than any of the others.

Today, I still have multiple OS and a Mid but no Longbodies. I have a Phantom Pro 100P and a 93P and they both get played more than my POGs. I have them both strung with gut/poly and do not find them harsh at all.
I tracked down a PCG 100 after I bought a 107 on a whim. I loved the 107, so I decided to try it. I gave up on the 100 pretty quick and stuck with the 107. One day I decided to redistribute the lead I had added to the 100, and that changed everything. My serve is light years better with the 100, but I do miss the backhand I got with the 107.
 

jbdbackfan

Semi-Pro
Played with the PCG100 for over 4 years. I weighted it up at 10 and 2 and added leather grip. The phantom 100p I just found harder to control and the power can be hard to manage at times. It’s also a bit more demanding given the weight and the power. I enjoy the phantom pro 100 more.
 

THE FIGHTER

Hall of Fame
I think the 100p is a great platform for customization. The box beam feel comes included, the thin beam cuts through the air, and it is light in stock form. My favorite stick since the K90. I weighted my phantom pro 100p to 368g, polarized and more headlight balance than stock (strung). It plays like the old midsized prostaffs but with a flexier give at contact. Feels great ripping the ball for fun. It also has a relatively low launch angle compared to todays frames, reminiscent of older mids and midplus sticks.

It has the forgiveness of a midplus but the control rivals my old wilson 90s on most shots id ever have to hit in a match. However, i cant outright rip the ball comfortably with confidence whenever i want like i could with a mid. Its close, but not there. Granted its a fair trade off not having to be put in tough defensive situations as often with the 100p


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Shangri La

Hall of Fame
Hit some more with the PP100P and P100P. Maybe it's because the honeymoon effect dies down a bit, the feel of the PP100P may not be THAT special, though still very good. It plays very well and is plenty forgiving. It doesn't have any real weakness and I can totally use it fulltime. In the meantime, as string in the P100P breaks in, the racquet feels better than the first hit, though I still prefer the PP100P slightly. The P100P is a bit more crisp (not necessarily better), and the PP100P's feel is more organic. The new version has more stability/plow, but very noticeably less maneuverable. I attribute that to demo sample variation, as the 2 should have the same specs. They both feel more polarized in weigh distribution than POG100. Slightly more inherent power too. Feedback is more modern. Both 100P are very good but in the end I will wait for the Phantom Graphite 100.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
Hit some more with the PP100P and P100P. Maybe it's because the honeymoon effect dies down a bit, the feel of the PP100P may not be THAT special, though still very good. It plays very well and is plenty forgiving. It doesn't have any real weakness and I can totally use it fulltime. In the meantime, as string in the P100P breaks in, the racquet feels better than the first hit, though I still prefer the PP100P slightly. The P100P is a bit more crisp (not necessarily better), and the PP100P's feel is more organic. The new version has more stability/plow, but very noticeably less maneuverable. I attribute that to demo sample variation, as the 2 should have the same specs. They both feel more polarized in weigh distribution than POG100. Slightly more inherent power too. Feedback is more modern. Both 100P are very good but in the end I will wait for the Phantom Graphite 100.
I can’t wait for that Phantom Graphite. Anyone heard how long before it’s in the states?
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
I have played the PP100P extensively for about 8 months in 2019, and have just acquired a pair of PCG100's, which I have played about 15 hours so far. So I think I can venture a comparison.

I find that the PP100P is actually a good racquet:
- good blend of power and control
- easy spin
- quite comfortable but feels really solid
- not very heavy in stock form, so can be easily customized

My knocks on it were the following:
- can be a bit harsh and unstable outside the sweet spot (but then again, most racquets are), resulting in the ball flying long at times
- 100 sq. in. with a very round shape can be unwieldy at times, especially on my OHBH. Probably less an issue with a 2HBH
- I can't seem to generate the same RHS on serve as I usually do, which I attribute to the combination of a very polarised set-up and the lack of manoeuvrability I alluded to above

I think it can be a very good frame for someone who likes polarized racquets and is prepared to customise it somewhat.

So far, I like the PCG100 better:
- manoeuvrability is not as much of an issue. Sure, it's not like my 93P, but not bad at all for a 100 sq.in.
- the feel is incredible, like butter on a hot toast. Feels softer than the PP100P despite its higher RA
- very surprised about the power level of this frame. At first I was consistently missing long. I have dialled it in now, but I think I need to string it at least 3-4lbs higher than the PP100P

Altogether, the PCG100 seems to suit my game better, so I will persist with it as I try to move away from the 93P to get more forgiveness, having just turned 50.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
I have played the PP100P extensively for about 8 months in 2019, and have just acquired a pair of PCG100's, which I have played about 15 hours so far. So I think I can venture a comparison.

I find that the PP100P is actually a good racquet:
- good blend of power and control
- easy spin
- quite comfortable but feels really solid
- not very heavy in stock form, so can be easily customized

My knocks on it were the following:
- can be a bit harsh and unstable outside the sweet spot (but then again, most racquets are), resulting in the ball flying long at times
- 100 sq. in. with a very round shape can be unwieldy at times, especially on my OHBH. Probably less an issue with a 2HBH
- I can't seem to generate the same RHS on serve as I usually do, which I attribute to the combination of a very polarised set-up and the lack of manoeuvrability I alluded to above

I think it can be a very good frame for someone who likes polarized racquets and is prepared to customise it somewhat.

So far, I like the PCG100 better:
- manoeuvrability is not as much of an issue. Sure, it's not like my 93P, but not bad at all for a 100 sq.in.
- the feel is incredible, like butter on a hot toast. Feels softer than the PP100P despite its higher RA
- very surprised about the power level of this frame. At first I was consistently missing long. I have dialled it in now, but I think I need to string it at least 3-4lbs higher than the PP100P

Altogether, the PCG100 seems to suit my game better, so I will persist with it as I try to move away from the 93P to get more forgiveness, having just turned 50.
I do love the PCG 100. Throw some lead at 10&2. It’s a game changer
 

jbdbackfan

Semi-Pro
I have played the PP100P extensively for about 8 months in 2019, and have just acquired a pair of PCG100's, which I have played about 15 hours so far. So I think I can venture a comparison.

I find that the PP100P is actually a good racquet:
- good blend of power and control
- easy spin
- quite comfortable but feels really solid
- not very heavy in stock form, so can be easily customized

My knocks on it were the following:
- can be a bit harsh and unstable outside the sweet spot (but then again, most racquets are), resulting in the ball flying long at times
- 100 sq. in. with a very round shape can be unwieldy at times, especially on my OHBH. Probably less an issue with a 2HBH
- I can't seem to generate the same RHS on serve as I usually do, which I attribute to the combination of a very polarised set-up and the lack of manoeuvrability I alluded to above

I think it can be a very good frame for someone who likes polarized racquets and is prepared to customise it somewhat.

So far, I like the PCG100 better:
- manoeuvrability is not as much of an issue. Sure, it's not like my 93P, but not bad at all for a 100 sq.in.
- the feel is incredible, like butter on a hot toast. Feels softer than the PP100P despite its higher RA
- very surprised about the power level of this frame. At first I was consistently missing long. I have dialled it in now, but I think I need to string it at least 3-4lbs higher than the PP100P

Altogether, the PCG100 seems to suit my game better, so I will persist with it as I try to move away from the 93P to get more forgiveness, having just turned 50.
What are you stringing your PCG100 with and at?
 

jbdbackfan

Semi-Pro
I know you weren’t aiming that question at me, but I string mine with Prince Premier Control 16g at 55lbs, and I add weight at 3&9 and 10&2
I actually wanted you to answer too I just clicked the most recent ha. I’ve done that set up too, love it however the multi does then to fray quick. This is where I miss the 15g Premier Control Prince made just up to a couple years ago.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
I actually wanted you to answer too I just clicked the most recent ha. I’ve done that set up too, love it however the multi does then to fray quick. This is where I miss the 15g Premier Control Prince made just up to a couple years ago.
Mine hasn’t been fraying too badly. The string movement is annoying though. I’m constantly adjusting it.
 
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