Need Help-Proper Biomechanics-one hand backhand

acer

Rookie
I am a level 4.0 to 4.5 player who plays 3-4 times a week. I recently developed some tennis elbow while trying a different racquet. I use a one hand backhand. Until this bout of tennis elbow flared up, my backhand never gave my elbow trouble. Anyway, I know rest (very hard to to) and strengthening exercises will help but I would like some input on the proper method of hitting a one hand backhand. Let me add: I use an eastern grip (I am a lefty); I don't lead with my elbow; I stand at 45% to the net; I hold the racquet quite loose. Still, my topspin one hand backhand hurts my arm. The slice however doesn't bother it much at all. I should also add that I had toned down my topspin serve to help my elbow.

So can anyone give me some more tips for proper biomechanics for hitting a one hand backhand?

Thanks

Acer
 

alan-n

Professional
Maybe Mahmood or BungaloBill can chime in for better technical explanations. I think the best learning tool would be to video yourself so you can see what exactly you are doing wrong. Looking at pro's stokes helps also. It sounds like a few of your muscles may still be "clenched" or tight and you are late with your backhand = your arm absorbing shock. Also if you misshit the ball a lot, well... technique can't fix that, that is the problem.

When I hit my backgrand drives I try to make sure I'm doing the following:
- Prepare for the shot with a low knee bend.
- Prepare for the shot by turning my torso sideways, shoulder line towards the direction of hitting if possible.
- Generate racket head speed by primarily by leg drive and back muscles, keep arms / shoulder loose.
- Keep your body side ways throughout the shot... This is biggest key to I remind myself.
- Strive to hit the ball on the outside lower edge from low to high to generate topspin..... If you want to "hook" the shot cross court than suppliment your wrist and use a windshield wiper motion with your forearm.
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
Acer,

-Try to hit every backhand with a square stance, step straight toward the net. Try to avoid crossing over and closing your stance.

-Hit the ball earlier, more out in front.

-Accentuate a long linear hitting zone 6" before and 6" after contact.

-And to add to the fine advice above, when you bend your knees keep your spine as erect as possible. Don't bend at the waist.

-Also, an aid to remaining side on net throughout the forward swing is to keep your weak arm (your right arm) behind your body line. Think of hiding your right arm from your opponent, behind the right side of your body as you remain sideways.

Good luck.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
acer said:
I am a level 4.0 to 4.5 player who plays 3-4 times a week. I recently developed some tennis elbow while trying a different racquet. I use a one hand backhand. Until this bout of tennis elbow flared up, my backhand never gave my elbow trouble. Anyway, I know rest (very hard to to) and strengthening exercises will help but I would like some input on the proper method of hitting a one hand backhand. Let me add: I use an eastern grip (I am a lefty); I don't lead with my elbow; I stand at 45% to the net; I hold the racquet quite loose. Still, my topspin one hand backhand hurts my arm. The slice however doesn't bother it much at all. I should also add that I had toned down my topspin serve to help my elbow.

So can anyone give me some more tips for proper biomechanics for hitting a one hand backhand?

Thanks

Acer

Keep the 45 degree angle at contact on a forward or closed stance - it doesnt matter. Your shoulders should rotate into this angle at contact which means you need to get the front shoulder under the chin and your back facing your opponent or turned the best you can. The rotation for the onehanded backhand sort of ends at the 45 degree angle for the arm to flow through, then the rotation picks up again for the followthrough.

Use more of your shoulder muscle to swing your arm and less of your elbow. A lot fo onehanders grip too hard and muscle the ball at the forearm elbow area. Puts a lot of strain on the tendons.Make contact in front of your body.

For tennis elbow, it is a clear sign you are doinng something wrong. Strengthen the shoulder muscles that is where you swing from. Use your legs as FiveO indicated by getting low and bendding those knees. Step forward and make clean contact.

Trying a different racquet with a different grip can sometimes cause problems. Rest your elbow for awhile.
 

Mahboob Khan

Hall of Fame
Excellent tips. Any player on the ATP/WTA can learn from these wonderful tips. I am surprised as to why we don't have ATP/WTA players visiting this forum? Do they don't know that the best instructions might be here .. if not here this forum leads to other avenues of instructions such as hitting sequencings and video clips?

Yes, for less elbow pain use larger muscles of your upper body as BB indicated. How to do that:

-- The right arm is on the throat of the racket .. it should pull the racket backwards-upwards causing the upper body to turn .. left chin touching the inside of left shoulder .. then in the forward swing the racket comes under the ball .. you leave the right arm behind pulling toward the backfence .. contact out in front .. racket vertical and parallel to the ground .. you drive the racket head through the ball .. and take off (follow-through).

-- At the finish, your right arm - right leg driving backwards .. left arm-left leg driving forward.

Watch any good video clip and/or hitting sequencing at www.procomparetennis.net and you will understand the above very well.

In order to tame your elbow pain you have to train it:

-- Throw 1 kg medicine ball just like you hit forehands and backhands. After say 50 throws the pain will disappear., then,

-- Throw 2 kg medicine ball just like you hit forehands and backhands. After say 50 throws you will forget about the pain and/or the pain will get defeated and will abandon you!

Then, follow the above instructions about your 1-handed lefty backhand oncorut.

Don't forget to post your feedback here!
 

Leon

Rookie
Just my 2 cents.

Tennis elbow, might be an indicator, that you are late on your shot - don't hit in front of you.
 

acer

Rookie
Thanks for the advice

Thanks for the excellent advice everyone. I tried some suggestions. I saw in a tennis video that you should only concentrate on two changes at a time while making a shot. Thus I made sure that I stood sideways and that I used a straight arm when I made contact with the backhand. My arm seem to feel a little better.

Maybe someone could comment on that one a little more. Should the arm be straight at contact or could it be slightly bent?

Thanks Acer
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
acer said:
Maybe someone could comment on that one a little more. Should the arm be straight at contact or could it be slightly bent?

Did you check the thread with Predrag? It's there.
 

acer

Rookie
Thanks Marius

I checked out Predag's comments. Looks like hitting with a straight arm is key.

Thanks
Acer
 

Tiger Paw

New User
Acer,

Your problem is classic and simply solved. You don't lead with your elbow, but I imagin that your arm is still slightly bent at contact. Being bent, the energy from the collision with the ball travels down your arm and is stopped at your slightly bent elbow. You want instead your elbow solidly conecting your wrist with your shoulder/body so that the force of the collision is absorbed by the greater force of your trunk propelled by your feet and directed by the shoulder. Think of the physics of vectors, if you have ever been expolsed to engeneering studies. Or have someone push against your extended arm and then your slightly bent arm and feel which one you can better resist with. Obviously it is the straight arm, hands down!

You mentioned top spin, so I would also suggest the posibility that as your body turns open you may be rotating your forearm aound your elbow to create "more spin". This will accentuate the problem outlined above.

So to solve the problem, assuming I am reading between the lines correctly, I would recommend two things.

1) After taking your racket back, but before lifting with your shoulder into the point of contact, drop your racket DOWN. Pretend you are going to touch the ground with the racket before accellerating into the shot. On the take-back the arm naturally becomes bent. You have to re-straighten it out before contact. Taking the racket down straightens the arm and also assures the racket is below the ball for a nice low to high swing. This alone will solve your problem.

2) I think I can attribute this to someone elses post here at TW. Have a friend softly toss balls to you. Face the net. Make your arm straight. As ball comes toward you practice meeting the ball by only raising your straight arm from your shoulder (no body movement etc) . Next do the same thing, but turning 90 degrees so your body faces the side line. Raise from your shoulder to make contact. Throw the ball underhanded very slowly or if using a backboard hit very very softly. What you are doing is re-learning the correct contact point. For a one handder, unlike a two hander, this point is significantly further out in front than the contact point for the the more accustomed forehand. ... Which bring us to foot work... but that is another story!
 

Mahboob Khan

Hall of Fame
It is a common knowledge: for forehand the hitting arm is relax and bent; for 1-handed BH, the hitting arm may be bent at the apex backswing but just prior to, during, and after contact it is stiff and straight making a 90 degree angle between arm and the racket.

Using the non-hitting arm if you pull the racket back and up the bend will disappear just like when you pull a curled rope (when you pull the rope it becomes straight!). I did indicate that you use your right arm to pull the racket backwards and upwards! When this happens the "leading elbow" disppears.
 

joe sch

Legend
Mahboob Khan said:
Excellent tips. Any player on the ATP/WTA can learn from these wonderful tips. I am surprised as to why we don't have ATP/WTA players visiting this forum? Do they don't know that the best instructions might be here .. if not here this forum leads to other avenues of instructions such as hitting sequencings and video clips?

I agree and think there probably are some, many ? good open to world class players viewing and participating under aliases. Ofcourse any famous person or player would not used his/her real name because of the endless spamming and presonal requests that would result.
 

acer

Rookie
Tiger Paw and others

Tiger Paw and Kahboob Khan

Thanks for the excellent advice. Actually thanks to everyone for the excellent advice. I am going to put it to good practice.

Acer
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Tiger Paw said:
Acer,

Your problem is classic and simply solved. You don't lead with your elbow, but I imagin that your arm is still slightly bent at contact. Being bent, the energy from the collision with the ball travels down your arm and is stopped at your slightly bent elbow. You want instead your elbow solidly conecting your wrist with your shoulder/body so that the force of the collision is absorbed by the greater force of your trunk propelled by your feet and directed by the shoulder. Think of the physics of vectors, if you have ever been expolsed to engeneering studies. Or have someone push against your extended arm and then your slightly bent arm and feel which one you can better resist with. Obviously it is the straight arm, hands down!

You mentioned top spin, so I would also suggest the posibility that as your body turns open you may be rotating your forearm aound your elbow to create "more spin". This will accentuate the problem outlined above.

So to solve the problem, assuming I am reading between the lines correctly, I would recommend two things.

1) After taking your racket back, but before lifting with your shoulder into the point of contact, drop your racket DOWN. Pretend you are going to touch the ground with the racket before accellerating into the shot. On the take-back the arm naturally becomes bent. You have to re-straighten it out before contact. Taking the racket down straightens the arm and also assures the racket is below the ball for a nice low to high swing. This alone will solve your problem.

2) I think I can attribute this to someone elses post here at TW. Have a friend softly toss balls to you. Face the net. Make your arm straight. As ball comes toward you practice meeting the ball by only raising your straight arm from your shoulder (no body movement etc) . Next do the same thing, but turning 90 degrees so your body faces the side line. Raise from your shoulder to make contact. Throw the ball underhanded very slowly or if using a backboard hit very very softly. What you are doing is re-learning the correct contact point. For a one handder, unlike a two hander, this point is significantly further out in front than the contact point for the the more accustomed forehand. ... Which bring us to foot work... but that is another story!

Yeah, there are two schools of thought on this straightening the arm thing. One happens sooner and the other later. One is more noticable and happens on the downswing of the backswing. The other happens on the upswing and straightens just before contact but is used more as a natural function of the body. Sort of like the arm of a pitcher when they release the ball.

For some the elbow is not completely straight but as long as the hand gets slightly ahead of the elbow and the shoulder muscles are used to swing the racquet as well, players can play unhurt and enjoy the game of tennis for the rest of their life. Clinging on to the notion that the arm has to be straight at a certain time to reduce or eliminate tennis elbow - or worse that the racquet has to be on a downard angle is a little farfetched isnt it?? Changing the racquet head dynamics (angling it down) can produce other issues if other areas are not in check and frustrate the learner.

Tennis elbow is simply coming from too much strain on the elbow. One has to look at practically the only place this could be happening - at contact. So what contributes to tennis elbow? Is it not having a straight arm? Is it a grip choice? Racquet choice????

The key area is the racquet is not coming around in time. It is on an angle like this \ at contact which centralizes the shock from the blow directly on the elbow. So does this mean that if I straighten arm the problem is solved? No.

As coaches we all know that leading with the elbow can increase ones chance to get tennis elbow. Women using a onehanded backhand are the most notorious onehanders that lead with the elbow. But just leading with the elbow is not the problem. The main problem with leading with the elbow is it is difficult to get the racquet in front of the hand and even or slightly in front of the elbow which relieves the elbow from absorbing the blow and transfers the shock to the shoulder muscle.

Also, the more Eastern (extreme) one goes the more the player has to incorporate the rotation of the forearm to square the racquet at contact (get it ahead of the hand) to reduce the jolt going to the elbow and prevent shearing.

So one can hit with a relaxed arm, a straight arm, a slightly bent arm and never have tennis elbow. The trick is getting the hand to rotate the racquet around in time so it is not slanted which shears the ball and produces an offcenter shock that hits the elbow area.

It is the racquet not coming around in time which means hitting late that causes tennis elbow. This can be happening for several reasons:

1. The use of an extreme grip

2. A sudden change in racquet weight, swing weight.

3. Not getting the head of the racquet in front of the hand at impact.

4. Making contact with the ball behind the shoulder.

5. Not getting his feet set to transfer weight forward and using only arm.

I agree that one way to hit a onehander is with a straightened elbow on the downswing but it is not the only way and it certainly is not the cure to tennis elbow.
 

acer

Rookie
Bungalo Bill or anyone

Thanks Bungalo Bill for your reply to my post on Proper Mechanics one hand backhand. Bill could you give me a little more detail on getting the racquet ahead of the hand and elbow at contact. Will simply hitting the ball out front of your body accomplish this? I was a little unsure of how you would get the racquet slightly in front of the hand?

Thanks
Acer
 

Mahboob Khan

Hall of Fame
Well with extreme eastern BH grip, the wrist-palm is behind the handle (which also means that the handle is in front of the hand). Apart from this, the racket head is in line with the hand!
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
acer said:
Thanks Bungalo Bill for your reply to my post on Proper Mechanics one hand backhand. Bill could you give me a little more detail on getting the racquet ahead of the hand and elbow at contact. Will simply hitting the ball out front of your body accomplish this? I was a little unsure of how you would get the racquet slightly in front of the hand?

Thanks
Acer

The information Mahboob gave is accruate. The bottom-line is the racquet head needs to square with the ball at contact. The hand is consdered from the fingers down to the wrist. On any grip the racquet needs to get in front of the wrist for a better reference. If the racquet is on an angle with the head behind the wrist the impact goes to the elbow.

To bring this home a little I will use a unscientific and a little imprecise training visual or aid to send the message.

I will have the student stand in a lateral position with front shoulder towards the net with racquet in hand. I will have them move their arm to the contact point rotating the racquet square for contact and hold it there. I will push against the strings lightly to have them engage the shoulder muscles to resist. That is what I want them to feel.

Next I have them place the racquet at an angle as if the arm is in the right position for contact but the head of the racquet is lagging behind. I will push on the strings. What usually happens is the elbow area is recruited first to help with the extra pressure to control the racquet head at impact. Most of the shock will go to the elbow.

So take this imprecise drill as a learning aid to get the racquet around time. If you use a full eastern or an extreme eastern, you will have to incorporate a forearm rotation to square the racquet. Just one more thing to think about in the onehanded backhand.
 
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