Need more arm friendly racquet that hits like the latest RF Pro Staff...

[Mirdad]

The RF Pro Staff (latest black version) is my dream racquet. In fact, it is my favorite racquet of all time (40 yrs+ of playing). I crush average second serves, block back (with short swing) bullet serves and hit great topspin from the baseline. Can still flatten out on shots when wanting to be more aggressive......all with decent accuracy. At the net, the racquet is super at providing stability and control. I also love the feeling of hitting my 2HB with the racquet versus many others I have tried. The problem I have with the racquet is I'm an aging 4.5 to 5.0 level player whose shoulder is very tired after about 40 minutes of play. I don't think it's so much the weight that is bothering me. The racquet feels very stiff at the net even though I have switched to Wilson NXT Power 17. Off center shots from the baseline also produce unwanted vibration, despite being pretty good at hitting within the sweet spot. The RF racquet has a flex rating of 68 which is probably too high for my shoulder. My guess is I need a more flexible racquet but I really like the stability and spin potential of the Fed racquet. I have a demo on order of the following racquets:
1)Volkl V-Sense Tour
2)Volkl C10 Pro (racquet seems to have great specs, but skeptical how it performs versus more modern racquets)
3)ProKennex Ki Q+ Tour 300
4)ProKennex Ki Q+Pro 310

So far I've demoed:
1) Wilson CV Blade 18X20: Not enough topspin, I've been spoiled by the RF open frame which allows me to hit more topspin. Also, denser string pattern racquets are in by themselves more stiff so I've ruled the 18X20 Blade out.
2) Wilson CV Blade 16X19: Too head heavy. I also prefer a lighter head balance. I tried weighting the handle but still the racquet did not produce the control I was used to using the RF racquet and felt too head heavy after weighting it down.
3)Tried some of the Babloat Aero's but they are too stiff and found I couldn't flatten out on my shots as well as the Fed racquet.
4) I have tried various 16x18 racquets such at the Prince Textreme Warrior and Wilson Blade. I found these racquets more arm friendly and great for tremendous topspin but they are not very accurate when trying to be more aggressive when flattening out on shots.

So, the perfect racquet would have the following characteristics:

1)Arm friendly
2)Very stable
3)Access to spin (prefer 16x19)
4)Can flatten out on shots with accuracy
5)Head light balance of at least 6 points; preferably 9 points HL. (I can always customize to achieve the HL balance I like but don't want the racquet to weigh much more than 12.3 ounces)


What do you think of my demos I have on order? Any ideas where I can locate this dream racquet?

Thanks in advance........

 

[Mirdad]

The RF Pro Staff (latest black version) is my dream racquet. In fact, it is my favorite racquet of all time (40 yrs+ of playing). I crush average second serves, block back (with short swing) bullet serves and hit great topspin from the baseline. Can still flatten out on shots when wanting to be more aggressive......all with decent accuracy. At the net, the racquet is super at providing stability and control. I also love the feeling of hitting my 2HB with the racquet versus many others I have tried. The problem I have with the racquet is I'm an aging 4.5 to 5.0 level player whose shoulder is very tired after about 40 minutes of play. I don't think it's so much the weight that is bothering me. The racquet feels very stiff at the net even though I have switched to Wilson NXT Power 17. Off center shots from the baseline also produce unwanted vibration, despite being pretty good at hitting within the sweet spot. The RF racquet has a flex rating of 68 which is probably too high for my shoulder. My guess is I need a more flexible racquet but I really like the stability and spin potential of the Fed racquet. I have a demo on order of the following racquets:
1)Volkl V-Sense Tour
2)Volkl C10 Pro (racquet seems to have great specs, but skeptical how it performs versus more modern racquets)
3)ProKennex Ki Q+ Tour 300
4)ProKennex Ki Q+Pro 310

So far I've demoed:
1) Wilson CV Blade 18X20: Not enough topspin, I've been spoiled by the RF open frame which allows me to hit more topspin. Also, denser string pattern racquets are in by themselves more stiff so I've ruled the 18X20 Blade out.
2) Wilson CV Blade 16X19: Too head heavy. I also prefer a lighter head balance. I tried weighting the handle but still the racquet did not produce the control I was used to using the RF racquet and felt too head heavy after weighting it down.
3)Tried some of the Babloat Aero's but they are too stiff and found I couldn't flatten out on my shots as well as the Fed racquet.
4) I have tried various 16x18 racquets such at the Prince Textreme Warrior and Wilson Blade. I found these racquets more arm friendly and great for tremendous topspin but they are not very accurate when trying to be more aggressive when flattening out on shots.

So, the perfect racquet would have the following characteristics:

1)Arm friendly
2)Very stable
3)Access to spin (prefer 16x19)
4)Can flatten out on shots with accuracy
5)Head light balance of at least 6 points; preferably 9 points HL. (I can always customize to achieve the HL balance I like but don't want the racquet to weigh much more than 12.3 ounces)


What do you think of my demos I have on order? Any ideas where I can locate this dream racquet?

Thanks in advance........

Sorry, I forgot that TW provides a wonderful search by parameters option. I see that after doing my custom search, many of the demos I have chosen are listed there. There are also a slew of others I will need to try. Looks like I have lots of options.
Anyways, I'm still open for anyone out there who has experienced similar issues with the RF Pro Staff racquet and have found an acceptable more arm friendly substitute.
Thanks again,

 

[EdMcMush]

volkl c10 pro with a bit of lead at 3 and 9. and im gonna say it before everyone else does. Get an Angell tc97

 

[Mirdad]

volkl c10 pro with a bit of lead at 3 and 9. and im gonna say it before everyone else does. Get an Angell tc97

Wow! Thanks Ed for the tip on the Angell tc97. Their 16x19 option looks exactly like what I want. I've never heard of this company. I will be emailing them to find out what the best time is to get in touch with them since they are overseas. It sounds like there will be some kind of a lead time involved as they are custom made? Also, I imagine there is no option to demo one. However, this sounds like a nice adventure and might be worth the risk.
Thanks again.

 

[CosmosMpower]

delete

 

[SpinToWin]

PK Ki Q+5X Pro if you don't mind extended length frames. Add a leather grip and you've got magic.

 

[Stretchy Man]

How about a Prince Textreme Tour 95? Very comfy and hits a heavy ball.

 

[ILBOMBA]

same here. i orderer a prince textreme tour 95 with a soft poly. will see how it goes.

 

[joohan]

Angell TC95 63RA 16x19 and Angell TC100 63RA. Played only with 18x20 TC97 which is a different frame compared to 16x19 TC97 based on reviews but I'd say it will need lead in the hoop to match the power of the D shaped beam and uniform flex of both 95 and 100.

The 100 is plenty accurate on flat shots, excellent topspin and top serving frame. Plus you can go 10-20g lower on your usual static weight without feeling the sacrifice in stability, plow and power. My usual set up is 320g/310mm unstrung on TC97 18x20, TC100 63RA does all and some even at 300g unstrung. TC95 63RA would be the best bet I'd say, 320g/305mm being a good starting point.

 

[Jon Boy]

Does Angel weight the racquet to your specs?

 

[nvr2old]

New Wilson Ultra 2.0 97. New TW video review is up. Could add some weight.

 

[Shroud]

The RF Pro Staff (latest black version) is my dream racquet. In fact, it is my favorite racquet of all time (40 yrs+ of playing). I crush average second serves, block back (with short swing) bullet serves and hit great topspin from the baseline. Can still flatten out on shots when wanting to be more aggressive......all with decent accuracy. At the net, the racquet is super at providing stability and control. I also love the feeling of hitting my 2HB with the racquet versus many others I have tried. The problem I have with the racquet is I'm an aging 4.5 to 5.0 level player whose shoulder is very tired after about 40 minutes of play. I don't think it's so much the weight that is bothering me. The racquet feels very stiff at the net even though I have switched to Wilson NXT Power 17. Off center shots from the baseline also produce unwanted vibration, despite being pretty good at hitting within the sweet spot. The RF racquet has a flex rating of 68 which is probably too high for my shoulder. My guess is I need a more flexible racquet but I really like the stability and spin potential of the Fed racquet. I have a demo on order of the following racquets:
1)Volkl V-Sense Tour
2)Volkl C10 Pro (racquet seems to have great specs, but skeptical how it performs versus more modern racquets)
3)ProKennex Ki Q+ Tour 300
4)ProKennex Ki Q+Pro 310

So far I've demoed:
1) Wilson CV Blade 18X20: Not enough topspin, I've been spoiled by the RF open frame which allows me to hit more topspin. Also, denser string pattern racquets are in by themselves more stiff so I've ruled the 18X20 Blade out.
2) Wilson CV Blade 16X19: Too head heavy. I also prefer a lighter head balance. I tried weighting the handle but still the racquet did not produce the control I was used to using the RF racquet and felt too head heavy after weighting it down.
3)Tried some of the Babloat Aero's but they are too stiff and found I couldn't flatten out on my shots as well as the Fed racquet.
4) I have tried various 16x18 racquets such at the Prince Textreme Warrior and Wilson Blade. I found these racquets more arm friendly and great for tremendous topspin but they are not very accurate when trying to be more aggressive when flattening out on shots.

So, the perfect racquet would have the following characteristics:

1)Arm friendly
2)Very stable
3)Access to spin (prefer 16x19)
4)Can flatten out on shots with accuracy
5)Head light balance of at least 6 points; preferably 9 points HL. (I can always customize to achieve the HL balance I like but don't want the racquet to weigh much more than 12.3 ounces)


What do you think of my demos I have on order? Any ideas where I can locate this dream racquet?

Thanks in advance........

My two cents is that it IS the weight and not the RA. Simple. Grab a hammer and shadow swing serves. Do 10 or so and i bet your shoulder will feel tired. Ok dont do that because it could potentially injure you. Just take my word for it that serving with a hammer at first will stress your shoulder because of the weight. And since the ball is not involved, the RA makes no difference.

Also look up throwers 10 or crossover symmetry.

So look for a lighter racquet

 

[zalive]

Pro Kennex KI10 customized for some additional stability (tailweighting plus 3+9 o'clock). Excellent blend of power and control, spin, precision and forgiveness. Flexy throat and Kinetic tech ensure comfort.

 

[BorgCash]

Try Angell.

 

[Mirdad]

My two cents is that it IS the weight and not the RA. Simple. Grab a hammer and shadow swing serves. Do 10 or so and i bet your shoulder will feel tired. Ok dont do that because it could potentially injure you. Just take my word for it that serving with a hammer at first will stress your shoulder because of the weight. And since the ball is not involved, the RA makes no difference.

Also look up throwers 10 or crossover symmetry.

So look for a lighter racquet

I gave up serving a long time ago due to my shoulder problem. The only cure is shoulder replacement and I don't know of anyone who has had this surgery and was able to go back to playing tennis. Therefore, I just serve underhand while playing only doubles, (rarely in singles as I play 4.5 to 5.0 caliber players and it's very frustrating hitting an underhand serve when someone can return it back to you on a dime). I usually just hit lots of groundstrokes and sometimes play the game of 21 to have some competition. However, what you say about the weight makes sense. I think the best course of action is to continue to demo racquets and then decide which specs work the best for my game and shoulder. If I want to take the chance and pursue a custom racquet or an off the shelf racquet made by Angell then I'll do so after demoing some racquets. It's my understanding that the Angell racquets are made with a special type of foam construction that reduces shock so that has peaked my interest. A solid weighted racquet is very good for reducing shock and vibration but too much weight is probably hurting my shoulder. My thinking is a fully loaded racquet with strings, shock absorber and over grip shouldn't weigh more than 12 to 12.2 ounces. My current RF racquet weighs in at 12.8 ounces.
Thanks for the advice......

 

[Mirdad]

I gave up serving a long time ago due to my shoulder problem. The only cure is shoulder replacement and I don't know of anyone who has had this surgery and was able to go back to playing tennis. Therefore, I just serve underhand while playing only doubles, (rarely in singles as I play 4.5 to 5.0 caliber players and it's very frustrating hitting an underhand serve when someone can return it back to you on a dime). I usually just hit lots of groundstrokes and sometimes play the game of 21 to have some competition. However, what you say about the weight makes sense. I think the best course of action is to continue to demo racquets and then decide which specs work the best for my game and shoulder. If I want to take the chance and pursue a custom racquet or an off the shelf racquet made by Angell then I'll do so after demoing some racquets. It's my understanding that the Angell racquets are made with a special type of foam construction that reduces shock so that has peaked my interest. A solid weighted racquet is very good for reducing shock and vibration but too much weight is probably hurting my shoulder. My thinking is a fully loaded racquet with strings, shock absorber and over grip shouldn't weigh more than 12 to 12.2 ounces. My current RF racquet weighs in at 12.8 ounces.
Thanks for the advice......

I was going to add that I have tried stiffer racquets (anything over 66 and they give too much shock and vibration).

 

[Mirdad]

Angell TC95 63RA 16x19 and Angell TC100 63RA. Played only with 18x20 TC97 which is a different frame compared to 16x19 TC97 based on reviews but I'd say it will need lead in the hoop to match the power of the D shaped beam and uniform flex of both 95 and 100.

The 100 is plenty accurate on flat shots, excellent topspin and top serving frame. Plus you can go 10-20g lower on your usual static weight without feeling the sacrifice in stability, plow and power. My usual set up is 320g/310mm unstrung on TC97 18x20, TC100 63RA does all and some even at 300g unstrung. TC95 63RA would be the best bet I'd say, 320g/305mm being a good starting point.

The TC100 63RA sounds appealing but I usually prefer a slightly smaller head size for maneuverability. Lots of options.....hmmm. I think I'm going to stick with demoing some racquets to narrow down the right specs and then approach the Angell custom option.
Thanks

 

[Mirdad]

Has anyone played with the stock option of an Angell Tour Series TC97?
Here are the specs:
Unstrung Specifications

String Pattern – 16×19
Weight -320g / 11.4oz
Balance – 310mm / 10 pts HL
Stiffness – 63RA
Length – 27” / 685.8mm
Grip shape – B
Grip type – High Tack PU Grey

So the overall strung weight with dampener and over grip would be around 12 ounces but I'm not sure of the head light balance; probably reduce it to 7 points.

 

[Vanhalen]

See my signature line. Perfect for you. Msg me both are for sale

 

[Mirdad]

See my signature line. Perfect for you. Msg me both are for sale

Vanhalen, thanks but I don't like the 18x20 string pattern and need to stick with 16x19. I am expecting demos of the Ki Tour + 300 which might be more to my liking as it is a 16x19 pattern.

 

[Mirdad]

Anyone know if this published in stock spec from Angell is unstrung?
If it's unstrung, it might be perfect for me as I can always add a little weight in the hoop if I deem necessary.

Product Description
Already our fastest selling Custom frame, this prebuilt version of the TC97 is the perfect choice for players of all ages looking to dominate in all aspects of the game. Built to the same exacting standards as its Custom made cousins, the TC97 TOUR is the first frame in the Angell “6 of the best series”. A static weight of 320g / 11.4oz and 10 pts head light balance ensures the frame is quick to manoeuvre while still packing a powerful punch. The TC97 Tour specifications have been selected from our best selling custom options for this model.

Unstrung Specifications

String Pattern – 16×19
Weight -320g / 11.4oz
Balance – 310mm / 10 pts HL
Stiffness – 63RA
Length – 27” / 685.8mm
Grip shape – B
Grip type – High Tack PU Grey

 

[Mirdad]

Anyone know if this published in stock spec from Angell is unstrung?
If it's unstrung, it might be perfect for me as I can always add a little weight in the hoop if I deem necessary.

Product Description
Already our fastest selling Custom frame, this prebuilt version of the TC97 is the perfect choice for players of all ages looking to dominate in all aspects of the game. Built to the same exacting standards as its Custom made cousins, the TC97 TOUR is the first frame in the Angell “6 of the best series”. A static weight of 320g / 11.4oz and 10 pts head light balance ensures the frame is quick to manoeuvre while still packing a powerful punch. The TC97 Tour specifications have been selected from our best selling custom options for this model.

Unstrung Specifications

String Pattern – 16×19
Weight -320g / 11.4oz
Balance – 310mm / 10 pts HL
Stiffness – 63RA
Length – 27” / 685.8mm
Grip shape – B
Grip type – High Tack PU Grey

Duh!! Just reread the specs and the are unstrung.....darn!
But I have question on RA rating. Someone said you have to reduce about 4 points off the RA rating of an unstrung racquet. Is this correct? So, the above specs would be only a 59 rating? I think 63 fully strung would be perfect. I guess I need to go the custom route.

 

[joohan]

Duh!! Just reread the specs and the are unstrung.....darn!
But I have question on RA rating. Someone said you have to reduce about 4 points off the RA rating of an unstrung racquet. Is this correct? So, the above specs would be only a 59 rating? I think 63 fully strung would be perfect. I guess I need to go the custom route.

Only custom rackets RA is stated pre-built. Tour versions already everything done when measured.

 

[Anton]

Wow! Thanks Ed for the tip on the Angell tc97. Their 16x19 option looks exactly like what I want. I've never heard of this company. I will be emailing them to find out what the best time is to get in touch with them since they are overseas. It sounds like there will be some kind of a lead time involved as they are custom made? Also, I imagine there is no option to demo one. However, this sounds like a nice adventure and might be worth the risk.
Thanks again.

TC97 16x19 is NOTHING like RF97. It's soft loop will leave you missing RF's solid ball domination.

After reading about various rackets you've tried I think DR98 with some lead on the loop is your ticket.

 

[Hansen]

What do you think of my demos I have on order? Any ideas where I can locate this dream racquet?

i tried the angell tc95 63ra and tc 97 both in 16x19 myself, but wasn´t that impressed. before trying an angell i would first demo the pro kennex qtour 300 (or the successor). what impressed me the most is that its easy to create a lot of spin without losing control if you are hitting flat, really versatile. moreover it is pretty stable in stock form and with a little customization really solid (while staying very headlight), so it fulfills all criteria perfectly, imho.

 

[Mirdad]

i tried the angell tc95 63ra and tc 97 both in 16x19 myself, but wasn´t that impressed. before trying an angell i would first demo the pro kennex qtour 300 (or the successor). what impressed me the most is that its easy to create a lot of spin without losing control if you are hitting flat, really versatile. moreover it is pretty stable in stock form and with a little customization really solid (while staying very headlight), so it fulfills all criteria perfectly, imho.

Thanks for the suggestion about the Pro Kennex Q Tour 300, I have the latest one on order; it's called the Ki Q Tour. The specs between the replacement and the older one are very similar with the following exceptions noted:
Old vs New
11.2 ounces vs 11.1
7 Pts HL vs 6 Pts HL
21.0mm beam vs 19.5mm
SW 316 vs 323
Also, the new version supposedly expands the kinetic energy chambers by 25%.

So overall, it sound like they added a little bit more stability and added comfort.

This is a great suggestion........thanks I have a demo on order from the TW but won't be due until August 9 or thereabouts.

Just curious what you did not like about the Angell TC97? Where did it fail the characteristics of the RF racquet?

Thanks again....

 

[Vanhalen]

Vanhalen, thanks but I don't like the 18x20 string pattern and need to stick with 16x19. I am expecting demos of the Ki Tour + 300 which might be more to my liking as it is a 16x19 pattern.

No problem. Good luck on your search. Be patient.

 

[Mirdad]

TC97 16x19 is NOTHING like RF97. It's soft loop will leave you missing RF's solid ball domination.

After reading about various rackets you've tried I think DR98 with some lead on the loop is your ticket.

Thanks for the suggestion Anton, but for some unexplained reason I just don't care for the shape of the head on the Yonex racquets.

 

[Mirdad]

Since I love the current RF97 Pro Staff so much, I wonder how much more comfortable the Angell foam technology is over the RF97 if I were to supply the same exact specs of the RF racquet to Paul? I like flattening out my shots with the RF97 and am concerned if I go down in flex I might lose that ability. Yes, this is a hypothetical situation but would be interested to find out the answer.

 

[Shroud]

I gave up serving a long time ago due to my shoulder problem. The only cure is shoulder replacement and I don't know of anyone who has had this surgery and was able to go back to playing tennis. Therefore, I just serve underhand while playing only doubles, (rarely in singles as I play 4.5 to 5.0 caliber players and it's very frustrating hitting an underhand serve when someone can return it back to you on a dime). I usually just hit lots of groundstrokes and sometimes play the game of 21 to have some competition. However, what you say about the weight makes sense. I think the best course of action is to continue to demo racquets and then decide which specs work the best for my game and shoulder. If I want to take the chance and pursue a custom racquet or an off the shelf racquet made by Angell then I'll do so after demoing some racquets. It's my understanding that the Angell racquets are made with a special type of foam construction that reduces shock so that has peaked my interest. A solid weighted racquet is very good for reducing shock and vibration but too much weight is probably hurting my shoulder. My thinking is a fully loaded racquet with strings, shock absorber and over grip shouldn't weigh more than 12 to 12.2 ounces. My current RF racquet weighs in at 12.8 ounces.
Thanks for the advice......

what strings are you using? You might be able to shave off some weight by changing type and gauge. Sorry about your shoulder!

 

[bkr]

I'm with you as my shoulder started hurting a bit after playing 20 years of Tennis and RF97 is an awesome racquet amd it's stiffness probably plays role in why that racquet plays so well.It's very hard to find a similar racquet ( i have tried every racquet out there) as someone mentioned here I didn't like Angel as well.

I play with Prokennes Q5 racquet which is a great for shoulder and infact for the whole arm but unfortunately it's cann't compare to RF97 in terms of heavy shots (comparable shots with RF aren't coming back).I have lot of experince in weighing racquet and customized the many racquets but I cann't create RF97

You might want to try to the Prokennex Q+ extended racquet but it is a 16*20 so you might have to put something like Solinco Tour bite 18G/17g to get the spin almost similar to 16*19 racquet.

I have been a long time user of Wilson 6.1.95 and mostly play ( my level is around 4.5) with Prokennex Q5 racquet and my arm is very very happy.At the end of the day I chose the option extending playing years with Prokennex instead of shorting my Tennis enjoyment by playing with other racquets.But once in a while I do play with RF and I enjoy so much hitting even straight to opponent but ball somehow doesn't come back to my side of the net.

Lastly I can say Prokennex Q+ racquet does allow you to play close to baseline to take it early and it's lighter so it's easier to play close to baseline.

Good luck on your search

 

[time_fly]

Unfortunately when it comes to stiffness I think you have to make a trade. A stiffer racquet will feel more powerful and stable than a less stiff one at the same weight. I think Babolat was the first brand to buy into the theory of super-stiff racquets and became very popular when players saw the results of those light, stiff frames. But the drawbacks are obvious for a lot of us with aching arms and shoulders too. You will probably have to gain some weight (or at least head-heavy balance) or lose some power and stability to get a racquet that is much more arm-friendly.

 

[Mirdad]

what strings are you using? You might be able to shave off some weight by changing type and gauge. Sorry about your shoulder!

I always use 17 gauge. Sometimes a hybrid but lately mainly NXT Power 17g strung at #54.
This set up only lasts 5 to 10 hours but it's the most comfortable one for my shoulder. When the shoulder is feeling great I used RPM Blast or Volkl Cyclone Tour strung at #44

 

[Mirdad]

I'm with you as my shoulder started hurting a bit after playing 20 years of Tennis and RF97 is an awesome racquet amd it's stiffness probably plays role in why that racquet plays so well.It's very hard to find a similar racquet ( i have tried every racquet out there) as someone mentioned here I didn't like Angel as well.

I play with Prokennes Q5 racquet which is a great for shoulder and infact for the whole arm but unfortunately it's cann't compare to RF97 in terms of heavy shots (comparable shots with RF aren't coming back).I have lot of experince in weighing racquet and customized the many racquets but I cann't create RF97

You might want to try to the Prokennex Q+ extended racquet but it is a 16*20 so you might have to put something like Solinco Tour bite 18G/17g to get the spin almost similar to 16*19 racquet.

I have been a long time user of Wilson 6.1.95 and mostly play ( my level is around 4.5) with Prokennex Q5 racquet and my arm is very very happy.At the end of the day I chose the option extending playing years with Prokennex instead of shorting my Tennis enjoyment by playing with other racquets.But once in a while I do play with RF and I enjoy so much hitting even straight to opponent but ball somehow doesn't come back to my side of the net.

Lastly I can say Prokennex Q+ racquet does allow you to play close to baseline to take it early and it's lighter so it's easier to play close to baseline.

Good luck on your search

I think you and I are in the same camp regarding our shoulder. I'm finally coming to the realization that I won't be able to use racquets like the RF Pro Staff very much. No matter what racquet I wind up with, I'll be storing that Fed racquet in my bag just in case my shoulder is feeling strong that day.
I'm going to stick with the 16x19 pattern and will be trying the Pro Kennex Ki Tour 300. It seems it might be a little light so I can always add lead tape. The newer versions is supposed to be more stable so I'll report back what I find in the next week or two.
Thanks

 

[Mirdad]

Unfortunately when it comes to stiffness I think you have to make a trade. A stiffer racquet will feel more powerful and stable than a less stiff one at the same weight. I think Babolat was the first brand to buy into the theory of super-stiff racquets and became very popular when players saw the results of those light, stiff frames. But the drawbacks are obvious for a lot of us with aching arms and shoulders too. You will probably have to gain some weight (or at least head-heavy balance) or lose some power and stability to get a racquet that is much more arm-friendly.

I tried a more head heavy balance with the Wilson CV 16x19 and did not like the 3 points HL balance as I"m used to HL balance of the RF. The lighter CV felt slower than the RF racquet despite the vast difference in weight. I tried to weigh down the CV racquet in the handle to make the racquet more HL but I found I had to add too much weight overall. On paper, one would think this option of weighing the CV in the handle would produce a winning combo, but I recall the racquet being too slow. I guess I have been really spoiled by the 9 points HL balance of the Fed. This is one of the reasons why I thought I would give the Angell racquet a try......

 

[Anton]

Thanks for the suggestion Anton, but for some unexplained reason I just don't care for the shape of the head on the Yonex racquets.

Just don't look at it haha. DR is probably the most oval Yonex to date, plays like any other 98

 

[Mirdad]

Just don't look at it haha. DR is probably the most oval Yonex to date, plays like any other 98

I might give the DR another try as the specs are good. I recall a lot of my strokes would either go long or short, I couldn't get the proper consistency and depth on my shots. It also felt a tad unstable in comparison to the RF but to be fair, I only hit with it for about 15 minutes. Perhaps I can add some weight to it and experiment around a bit.

 

[dgoran]

I agree that tc97 is nothing like rf97. Try prince 100p it's very similar to rf97 in a different package. 18x20 hits like 16x19 and you can customize it to your liking since it's 305 gr stock.

I also agree that it's the weight not stiffness when it comes to your shoulder but it will help that 100p is 62ra

 

[Fed Kennedy]

I agree that tc97 is nothing like rf97. Try prince 100p it's very similar to rf97 in a different package. 18x20 hits like 16x19 and you can customize it to your liking since it's 305 gr stock.

I also agree that it's the weight not stiffness when it comes to your shoulder but it will help that 100p is 62ra

100p is that good eh?

 

[Hansen]

Just curious what you did not like about the Angell TC97

despite the open string pattern the tc 97 wasn´t particularly spin friendly. the tc 95 was better in this aspect.

p.s. a good way to customize the q tour (or any other demo racquet temporarily) is to tape a coin (maybe 8gr) a the buttcap and 2gr of tungsten or lead tape at 3 o´clock and 2 gr at 9 o´clock. a comparison of a stock rf97 and a stock q tour 300 would be misleading, but with above modifications the q tour should be stable enough (but still sufficiently lighter than the rf97)

 

[Anton]

I might give the DR another try as the specs are good. I recall a lot of my strokes would either go long or short, I couldn't get the proper consistency and depth on my shots. It also felt a tad unstable in comparison to the RF but to be fair, I only hit with it for about 15 minutes. Perhaps I can add some weight to it and experiment around a bit.

Yes, in stock form it is underpowered and doesn't feel as nice and solid. Remember, RF97 is around 12.5oz, this one is only 11.5.

If you play with a 5-6g dampner try 2-3 grams of lead @ 2+10,
if without try 2g on the V throat, 2-3g @ 3+9 and 1g @ 12

 

[Mirdad]

despite the open string pattern the tc 97 wasn´t particularly spin friendly. the tc 95 was better in this aspect.

p.s. a good way to customize the q tour (or any other demo racquet temporarily) is to tape a coin (maybe 8gr) a the buttcap and 2gr of tungsten or lead tape at 3 o´clock and 2 gr at 9 o´clock. a comparison of a stock rf97 and a stock q tour 300 would be misleading, but with above modifications the q tour should be stable enough (but still sufficiently lighter than the rf97)

Thanks Hansen for your feedback. I really like the RF because it was both spin friendly and dynamite at flattening out on aggressive shots so I'll probably pass on the Angell........good feedback. I haven't used a 95 sq in racquet in many years but I've often thought of swinging one again to see what it's like as I don't like the maneuverability of most racquets larger than 97 or 98. I think I'll focus on the Q Tour Kennex (98 sq")and try your modifications. If the Pro Kennex is decent and it's easy on my shoulder than I'll stop the search and get it. I've got to keep my mind focused that I need a arm friendly racquet and can't expect Fed type performance. Just found out demos are due late Monday so hopefully I'll be able to arrange a hitting session on Tuesday

 

[Mirdad]

I agree that tc97 is nothing like rf97. Try prince 100p it's very similar to rf97 in a different package. 18x20 hits like 16x19 and you can customize it to your liking since it's 305 gr stock.

I also agree that it's the weight not stiffness when it comes to your shoulder but it will help that 100p is 62ra

dgoran, thanks for the suggestion about the Prince 100P. I never really gave it any thought as normally I don't consider 18x20 string pattern. However, I read many of the reviews and users say they thought it played like a 16x19. I also like to hit aggressive flat shots so I'll give this one a try too. Specs look great.....not too heavy but not too light and lower ra!
I appreciate the help I've been getting from the members of this MB.....very cool

 

[asifallasleep]

If you're tired after 40 minutes of play with the RF, it's too heavy for you plain and simple.

A common complaint is that after the first hour, a lot of folks get tired, and start hitting late, which creates vibration AND they start feeling the weight of the frame in their shoulders

With the proper frame as in having the ideal static and swing weight, you should be able to play for hours and hours without feeling arm fatique -------- assuming you have proper stroke fundamentals.

If you are struggling to get the frame to where it needs to be, a lighter frame is in order.

I don't know if you are playing matches, but try serving for hours with the RF97 and rallying. Now that is a workout.

None of the frames mentioned will give you anything close to the RF97. The Angell frames, the Prince Textreme Tour 95, The DR98 ----------are nothing like the RF.

The characteristics of the RF which make you love it are the same characteristics that are causing your arm fatigue.

If you are on time with the RF97 it really does absorb everything, because it's so heavy. If you are getting vibration you are late or don't have enough racquet head speed.

Get the Wilson Pro Staff 97 and mod with lead tape. Or perhaps a Blade 98 and mod with lead tape. Stick with Wilson.

 

[Mirdad]

If you're tired after 40 minutes of play with the RF, it's too heavy for you plain and simple.

A common complaint is that after the first hour, a lot of folks get tired, and start hitting late, which creates vibration AND they start feeling the weight of the frame in their shoulders

With the proper frame as in having the ideal static and swing weight, you should be able to play for hours and hours without feeling arm fatique -------- assuming you have proper stroke fundamentals.

If you are struggling to get the frame to where it needs to be, a lighter frame is in order.

I don't know if you are playing matches, but try serving for hours with the RF97 and rallying. Now that is a workout.

None of the frames mentioned will give you anything close to the RF97. The Angell frames, the Prince Textreme Tour 95, The DR98 ----------are nothing like the RF.

The characteristics of the RF which make you love it are the same characteristics that are causing your arm fatigue.

if you are on time with the RF97 it really does absorb everything, because it's so heavy. If you are getting vibration you are late or don't have enough racquet head speed.

I believe you are spot on in your observations. I'm getting older and have a bad shoulder; there is no denying this anymore so I need to move onto a lighter racquet and one that is not quite as stiff as the RF. The RF racquet is like a drug to me in that I hit so well with it that I just can't put it down, even knowing full well that is bad for me....LOL! I'm sure you are correct that there are no other lighter weight racquets that will provide the same performance as the RF, however, I am hopeful I'll find one that is relatively close. I've done all sorts of physical therapy, stretch band exercises to help strengthen my shoulder and while they help, they will not fix my arthritic shoulder. In my youth, I used to be a stud and swing every type of Pro Staff with ease, but age has caught up with me.......such a humbling experience. Well, at least I still have my legs and am considered very quick on the court per those I hit with. I usually play with seniors (ages 50 to 65) who were open level players in their day and I do very well against them. You'd be surprised how hard some of these seniors can hit despite their age.

 

[Mirdad]

If you're tired after 40 minutes of play with the RF, it's too heavy for you plain and simple.

A common complaint is that after the first hour, a lot of folks get tired, and start hitting late, which creates vibration AND they start feeling the weight of the frame in their shoulders

With the proper frame as in having the ideal static and swing weight, you should be able to play for hours and hours without feeling arm fatique -------- assuming you have proper stroke fundamentals.

If you are struggling to get the frame to where it needs to be, a lighter frame is in order.

I don't know if you are playing matches, but try serving for hours with the RF97 and rallying. Now that is a workout.

None of the frames mentioned will give you anything close to the RF97. The Angell frames, the Prince Textreme Tour 95, The DR98 ----------are nothing like the RF.

The characteristics of the RF which make you love it are the same characteristics that are causing your arm fatigue.

If you are on time with the RF97 it really does absorb everything, because it's so heavy. If you are getting vibration you are late or don't have enough racquet head speed.

Get the Wilson Pro Staff 97 and mod with lead tape. Or perhaps a Blade 98 and mod with lead tape. Stick with Wilson.

Sorry, I didn't see your suggestion to stick with Wilson. Quick comment on the Blade: I actually bought the 18x20 and hit well with it but found it slightly underpowered and even though I got adequate topspin I prefer the 16x19 pattern. So, I tried the 16x19 and felt late on the ball, most likely due to the head heavy balance versus the RF. I tried to weight the handle of the 16x19 Blade but then found it too heavy. You'd think it would of been the perfect racquet for me.....darn. Maybe I'll try it again as I only hit with it for one session. Oddly enough, I have never tried the Wilson Pro Staff and will put it on my list to demo. Thanks!

 

[Shroud]

Sorry, I didn't see your suggestion to stick with Wilson. Quick comment on the Blade: I actually bought the 18x20 and hit well with it but found it slightly underpowered and even though I got adequate topspin I prefer the 16x19 pattern. So, I tried the 16x19 and felt late on the ball, most likely due to the head heavy balance versus the RF. I tried to weight the handle of the 16x19 Blade but then found it too heavy. You'd think it would of been the perfect racquet for me.....darn. Maybe I'll try it again as I only hit with it for one session. Oddly enough, I have never tried the Wilson Pro Staff and will put it on my list to demo. Thanks!

Ok if you still have the 18/20 then assuming its stock and close to the stock specs the following should get you very close to the STOCK Rf97a:

Add 22g to the handle
And 14g to 12pm.

 

[asifallasleep]

Sorry, I didn't see your suggestion to stick with Wilson. Quick comment on the Blade: I actually bought the 18x20 and hit well with it but found it slightly underpowered and even though I got adequate topspin I prefer the 16x19 pattern. So, I tried the 16x19 and felt late on the ball, most likely due to the head heavy balance versus the RF. I tried to weight the handle of the 16x19 Blade but then found it too heavy. You'd think it would of been the perfect racquet for me.....darn. Maybe I'll try it again as I only hit with it for one session. Oddly enough, I have never tried the Wilson Pro Staff and will put it on my list to demo. Thanks!

I know from experience what you are going through and I tried all kinds of frames and they all paled in comparison to the RF. Before giving up on the RF, I'd suggest going to a lighter gauge string (18 or 19g) to lower the static weight a little and to make it even more headlight. You may also try swapping the leather grip for a synthetic grip which will also lower the static weight ------- another plus is that the synthetic grip will absorb more shock then the leather grip.

So perhaps 18-19g strings and switching to a synthetic grip will be all you need.

 

[Fed Kennedy]

Ok if you still have the 18/20 then assuming its stock and close to the stock specs the following should get you very close to the STOCK Rf97a:

Add 22g to the handle
And 14g to 12pm.

Bro what?

 

[Shroud]

Bro what?

Blade is 320.5g and Rf97a is 357g. Based on its balance adding weight as i mention should match the two pretty closely and give the op a similiar hitting stick but with a softer RA