Need slippery syn gut

Will Wilson

Semi-Pro
I am trying msv focus hex in the mains with head pps crosses. I noticed that the mains are crooked and need to be straightened which tells me they aren't snapping back due to the pps not being slippery enough. Any cheap syn gut that would be more slippery?
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
I am trying msv focus hex in the mains with head pps crosses. I noticed that the mains are crooked and need to be straightened which tells me they aren't snapping back due to the pps not being slippery enough. Any cheap syn gut that would be more slippery?
I would think PSGD would be a good hybrid string. Not sure if I'd call it a "cheap" syn gut though, but its not going to break the bank.
 

ChicagoJack

Hall of Fame
I am trying msv focus hex in the mains with head pps crosses. I noticed that the mains are crooked and need to be straightened which tells me they aren't snapping back due to the pps not being slippery enough. Any cheap syn gut that would be more slippery?
Hi Will,

Check the TWU string friction tool, you can sort all data by material choice.
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/COFreporter.php

Also, if you really want to maximize string slide and snap back, Poly crosses is a much better choice than poly mains. Focus hex is harder than any nylon, plus it has edges. Those edges are biting into the softer nylon.

Jack
 
Last edited:

COPEY

Hall of Fame
Since you said "cheap", give Technifibre S-gut a go. It's definitely smoother than PPS.
 

Stardust

New User
If you could create such a string you would boss the entire tennis string industry...
Well, at least in theory!
Absolutely! I’ve tried lots of syngut brands and all of them behave the same way. Due to the ball impact and especially on clay, the surface of the nylon strings becomes rough and voila…
Also if you like the poly under 55 lb. and string the nylon crosses with higher tension than the poly mains, as many recommend, you get the same effect, even worse.

Lately I’ve come across to a poly that works fine as a cross string instead syngut – Pro’s Pro Red Devil in 1.19 gauge. It’s very stretchable and slippery and does the job fine. When I used it for first time I strung it as usually 2 lb. lower than the mains but it stretched a lot and the crosses got prone to move up and down a bit. Next time I applied the same tension (53 lb.) as the mains and now it works OK. And it’s dirty cheep - I got a reel for under the 40 bucks!
 

SteveI

Legend
I am trying msv focus hex in the mains with head pps crosses. I noticed that the mains are crooked and need to be straightened which tells me they aren't snapping back due to the pps not being slippery enough. Any cheap syn gut that would be more slippery?
Forten Tourney Nylon is very slick and very cheap
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
I am trying msv focus hex in the mains with head pps crosses. I noticed that the mains are crooked and need to be straightened which tells me they aren't snapping back due to the pps not being slippery enough. Any cheap syn gut that would be more slippery?
use a round poly for more sliding and snap back.

Babalot Nvy is a great syngut for crosses. Very slick and works well with a round poly main.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Ashaway's Monogut ZX is slippery like a poly, but stretches like syn gut, and holds tension better than syn gut once it's pre-stretched or broken in (holds tension much better than poly). There is an active thread devoted to it. It works great as a long-lasting, tension-holding slippery cross. But I'd advise against using a poly main with it, because the poly will lose tension so fast that you'd be wasting the tension-holding properties of the ZX.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Ashaway's Monogut ZX is slippery like a poly, but stretches like syn gut, and holds tension better than syn gut once it's pre-stretched or broken in (holds tension much better than poly). There is an active thread devoted to it. It works great as a long-lasting, tension-holding slippery cross. But I'd advise against using a poly main with it, because the poly will lose tension so fast that you'd be wasting the tension-holding properties of the ZX.
so what do you advise using as a main with ZX as a cross?
 

jaydog23

Rookie
Hi Will,

Check the TWU string friction tool, you can sort all data by material choice.
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/COFreporter.php

Also, if you really want to maximize string slide and snap back, Poly crosses is a much better choice than poly mains. Focus hex is harder than any nylon, plus it has edges. Those edges are biting into the softer nylon.

Jack
But then you've entirely defeated the point of wanting snapback in the first place, as now you have multi mains, which won't really snap regardless of cross string. Or is multi snapback a thing...? Still, you will get better snapback with a full bed of polyester string.
 

jaydog23

Rookie
use a round poly for more sliding and snap back.

Babalot Nvy is a great syngut for crosses. Very slick and works well with a round poly main.
Any recommendations for a cross with Tour Bite (specifically, 18)? Right now, I have a full bed of Tour Bite 18 at 53, very sliiiight arm pain. I'm guessing my go-to multi choice of X-One Biphase won't cut it, just from past experience with Biphase.... I've heard N.Vy and NXT Control recommended for use as crosses with Tour Bite mains. Can you (or anyone) speak to these setups, or any others with Tour Bite mains? Thanks.
 

Doubles

Legend
so what do you advise using as a main with ZX as a cross?
Well, Trav uses kevlar mains, so I would assume that. If someone can handle the stiffness of Kevlar, it might be worth a shot trying. With that said, I see a lot of people are cautious of the stiffness ratings and hesitant to give it a try.
 

roman40

Rookie
If you find a slippery syngut that stays slippery after a 4-6hrs of hitting, let me know, because I'd be interested. I was using Gosen OG Micro in the crosses, but it didn't stay slippery very long, at least not in the crosses. It also notched the poly pretty badly. In full poly setup, the string snap back for a very long time, and notching is not as bad. If you break your string in a few hours, then OGSM will work great, otherwise, you'll need to look for an alternative, or hybrid with a softer poly.
 

ChicagoJack

Hall of Fame
But then you've entirely defeated the point of wanting snapback in the first place, as now you have multi mains, which won't really snap regardless of cross string. Or is multi snapback a thing...? Still, you will get better snapback with a full bed of polyester string.
I've left you a pretty detailed response (Reply#5) in your very own thread on the topic here

By the way, the hybrid in your signature, (Tour Bite 18 Mains with X-One Bi phase 16 crosses) has caught my eye. TF X-One 16 has a very gummy outer coating which produces the highest friction digits on record (0.314). Tour Bite is hard with sharp edges. These things are hard to predict, and there are many unexpected result on record, but if I were to try to invent a string bed that maximizes inter-string friction, and limits string movement, Tour Bite mains and X-One crosses would probably be the first thing at the top of my list. Even a smooth poly such as SPP mains paired with X-one crosses has produced the 2nd highest friction digits on record (2.99) See attached screen grab.



-Jack
 

jaydog23

Rookie
ChicagoJack, yea I'm still learning obviously. My question is, is there even anything to be gained from using a multi cross as opposed to a full bed of Tour Bite 18? If I'm enjoying the way I'm playing and I feel very limited arm pain, should I even be looking for another string? I have some NXT Control I want to try as a cross, and I've heard N.Vy is good, but could anything else work better than a full bed of Tour Bite?
 

RayPS97

New User
Forten Tourney Nylon is very slick and very cheap
Hi Steve,

I was looking through some old posts regarding some slick nylons and came across your post.


I have a racquet that my stringer put in about a decade ago and wanted to see I could use tennis-warehouse to identify them. The main strings are notched halfway while the the cross strings are not notched at all. I have attached a picture and was wondering if this looks like Forten nylon that you mentioned in your post.

 
Last edited:

SteveI

Legend
Hi Steve,

I was looking through some old posts regarding some slick nylons and came across your post.


I have a racquet that my stringer put in about a decade ago and wanted to see I could use tennis-warehouse to identify them. The main strings are notched halfway while the the cross strings are not notched at all. I have attached a picture and was wondering if this looks like Forten nylon that you mentioned in your post.

http://picpaste.com/black_spiral-LYunwfwL.JPG

I am with Muppet. I have a reel of the Forten Sweet and Forten Nylon... and does not look like this.
 
I really am impressed with Ashaway Monogut. It's a monofilament, like Poly, and the strings never have to be adjusted. It really looks and feels like poly to the touch.
 

SteveI

Legend
So... even from strings ten years old... I have no clue what they are. Great close up pics. Steve Huff might know!!!
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
I was going to ask something similar to OP question but ran across this just today. I strung one of my 5 Prince PCG 100s with the poly Genesis Black Magic 16 in the mains, Tourna Synthetic Gut Armor "Black" in the crosses. I was going to ask, "Anyone know of a syn gut as slick or slicker than the Tourna Syn Gut Armor Black?" I have a pile of syn gut but none as slick as the tourna. Pic below is of the syn gut I currently have on hand.
 

RayPS97

New User
Thanks for the input/replies. The Forten hunch was prompted by this post (by Spinaway) but the linked pics are no longer visible.




Background:
My vintage racquet with the strings in question is a poor man's copy by Kneissl of the Pro Staff 85. It played backup to my Dunlop Black Max that got the bulk of the use.

My new Yonex SV Team came pre-strung nylon with factory strings that have been about 5 times for about two hours(each time) over the course of a month. These strings, now, are barely notched but creaked and stick when moved back to their original positions. At first, they would slide back in place when displaced sideways with my fingers.

In contrast, the old black nylon strings in the Kneissl still slide easily despite the deep notches more than halfway on the mains. The lack of notches on the crosses allows the mains to easily slide back in place and their is little string movement. I hit fairly flat with moderate spin and am not a string breaker.

Has anyone else experienced a nylon or synthetic gut with this lack of string movement over this length of time ? A micrometer indicates the diameter to range between 1.35mm to 1.39 mm (15L). I tried hunting down the stringer (Louis Nagy, Forum Racquet Clinic) who ran a regular ad in the Varsity(A Student run newspaper printed on the campus of the University of Toronto). At the time (late eighties), it was a inexpensive recommendation to constant string breakers of stanbys like Leoina 66 and Hy-O-Sheep. The strings were wound on blue plastic spools. When the strings go on the Yonex, I'm leaning towards one of either Gosen Proform Tuff 16, Head Synthetic Gut PPS or Gosen. I was hoping a version of Forten Competition Nylon was the OEM for my mystery string....I may try it, yet.

Test for mention: @RayPS97 [user]RayPS97[/user]

P.S. The pic was taken with an Olympus Tough TG-620 with a "Super Macro LED" lighting feature that makes pics of stamps, coins and tennis strings a breeze
 
Last edited:
Top