Neither Nadal or Federer have 100% record vs Djokovic at their best tournamentS,,

[lud]

Federer vs Djokovic at Federer most successful 5+ tournaments
AO: 1-3
Dubai: 3-1
Hamburg/Madrid: 0-0
Halle: 0-0
Wimbledon: 1-3
Cincinnatti: 3-1
Us Open: 3-3
Basel: 1-1
WTF: 2-4

Nadal vs Djokovic
Monte Carlo: 2-2
Barcelona: 0-0
Rome: 3-3
Hamburg/Madrid: 3-1
RG: 6-1
Canada: 1-1

OTOH, Djokovic vs Nadal is 3-0(Miami), 2-0(AO) and only win at Wimbledon by Nadal was WO
or 2-0 vs Federer in Paris and 3-0 in Rome(Djoker won both 4 times,though). And 3-0 in Indian Wells + 1-0 in Miami.

 

[ForehandRF]

Another H2H thread ?

Fed-Djokovic is 2-3 at the WTF.

 

[Lew II]

Djokovic in this decade leads the overall h2h against Claydal and Grasserer (the two GOATs of the surfaces): 10-9.

 

[tennisaddict]

These are the results of being 6 years and 2 years younger on the tour...

Just flipping the narrative " Djokovic is behind in records because he is 6 and 2 years late to join the tour'.

 

[Lew II]

These are the results of being 6 years and 2 years younger on the tour...

Just flipping the narrative " Djokovic is behind in records because he is 6 and 2 years late to join the tour'.

That's right, he leads the h2h despite being 1/6 years less experienced.

Awesome.

 

[NoleFam]

Djokovic in this decade leads the overall h2h against Claydal and Grasserer (the two GOATs of the surfaces): 10-9.

7-8 against Nadal on clay
3-1 against Federer on grass

He really only leads one of them but still not bad at all.

 

[tennisaddict]

That's right, he leads the h2h despite being 1/6 years less experienced.

Awesome.

Kyrgios leads 2-0 . No sets lost.

 

[Lew II]

Kyrgios leads 2-0 . No sets lost.

Djokovic-Federer:

4-1 slam finals
6-4 in slam semifinals
2-0 in yec finals
5-3 in masters finals

Kyrgios-Djokovic:

0-0 in slam finals
0-0 in slam semifinals
0-0 in yec finals
0-0 in masters finals

This is a meaningless h2h just like Federer's against Rafter, Corretja, etc.

 

[King No1e]

These are the results of being 6 years and 2 years younger on the tour...

Just flipping the narrative " Djokovic is behind in records because he is 6 and 2 years late to join the tour'.

11 months, 13 days apart. They're practically the same age. It's utter nonsense to say Nadal was from Federer's generation and that Djokovic beat him because he was younger.
Nadal and Djokovic are in the same generation. Period.

 

[tennisaddict]

Djokovic-Federer:

4-1 slam finals
6-4 in slam semifinals
2-0 in yec finals
5-3 in masters finals

Kyrgios-Djokovic:

0-0 in slam finals
0-0 in slam semifinals
0-0 in yec finals
0-0 in masters finals

This is a meaningless h2h just like Federer's against Rafter, Corretja, etc.

Federer was a non entity when he faced Rafter, Corretja.

Djokovic was a 15 major champion when he faced Kyrgios.

Try again.

 

[tennisaddict]

11 months, 13 days apart. They're practically the same age. It's utter nonsense to say Nadal was from Federer's generation and that Djokovic beat him because he was younger.
Nadal and Djokovic are in the same generation. Period.

They are clearly not the same in terms of evolution.

Nadal had won like 9 majors before Djokovic got his 2nd.

 

[RS]

Federer was a non entity when he faced Rafter, Corretja.

Djokovic was a 15 major champion when he faced Kyrgios.

Try again.

Djokovic was a 12 slam champ when he faced Kyrgios.

 

[Lew II]

Federer was a non entity when he faced Rafter, Corretja.

Djokovic was a 15 major champion when he faced Kyrgios.

Try again.

Djokovic fell to #22 in those days.

Do I have to mention Stakhovsky and Robredo?

 

[joekapa]

These are the results of being 6 years and 2 years younger on the tour...

Just flipping the narrative " Djokovic is behind in records because he is 6 and 2 years late to join the tour'.

He is 1 year younger than Nadal. Don't lie. They are from the same gen of players.

 

[tennisaddict]

Djokovic fell to #22 in those days.

Do I have to mention Stakhovsky and Robredo?

He had the experience of winning all those majors, being No 1 for several weeks and so many top 10 wins in his career. Yet he could not muster even a set.

 

[tennisaddict]

He is 1 year younger than Nadal. Don't lie. They are from the same gen of players.

Nadal is aligned with Federer.

Djokovic is more aligned with Andy Murray.

 

[Lew II]

He had the experience of winning all those majors, being No 1 for several weeks and so many top 10 wins in his career. Yet he could not muster even a set.

Ok.

 

[tennisaddict]

Ok.

You mean 'Agreed, I was wrong' ?

 

[robthai]

Djokovic is the new h2h King. Used to be Nadal.

 

[joekapa]

Nadal is aligned with Federer.

Djokovic is more aligned with Andy Murray.

So having 5 years difference with Federer, puts him in same gen, but not with Djoko who has a 1 year difference.

Dream on Federites. The main rivalry has been Djoko vs Nadal. Federer has played third fiddle to this rivalry for more than 10 years now.

 

[RS]

Djokovic is the new h2h King. Used to be Nadal.

Nadal was 22-10 vs Federer
Nadal was 13-6 vs Murray
Nadal was 22-17 vs Djokovic
That’s 57-33
From 2005-2013

 

[tennisaddict]

So having 5 years difference with Federer, puts him in same gen, but not with Djoko who has a 1 year difference.

Dream on Federites. The main rivalry has been Djoko vs Nadal. Federer has played third fiddle to this rivalry for more than 10 years now.

What part of Nadal-Djokovic being 9-1 in major count at end of 2010 , you have problems in understanding ??

 

[tennisaddict]

Nadal was 22-10 vs Federer
Nadal was 15-6 vs Murray
Nadal was 22-17 vs Djokovic
That’s 59-33
From 2005-2013

Look at records as of 2010 end. It would be even better.

It is no wonder Djokovic padded up the h2h this decade. He is a younger player and Fedal get the shaft in h2h because of that.

 

[joekapa]

What part of Nadal-Djokovic being 9-1 in major count at end of 2010 , you have problems in understanding ??

And this is why Nadal is in Federer's gen ? You kidding ? Nadal peaked earlier than Djoko, but by 2011, where Nadal was still in prime, Djoko was simply unbelievable.

 

[lud]

And this is why Nadal is in Federer's gen ? You kidding ? Nadal peaked earlier than Djoko, but by 2011, where Nadal was still in prime, Djoko was simply unbelievable.

You mean, ombillaible

 

[Lew II]

What part of Nadal-Djokovic being 9-1 in major count at end of 2010 , you have problems in understanding ??

Nadal in Slams was 6-2 against Federer until 2010 while he was 4-6 against Djokovic since 2011. That's the main reason Nadal won "only" 10 slams since 2011.

Anyway you have to decide whether it's an age or results thing. You can't talk about age when discussing Federer's h2h and then results when talking about Nadal.

If it's age, then Nadal is in Djokovic's gen.

 

[joekapa]

It was in 2006, before Nadal established himself fully as a player, that Uncle Tony saw Djokovic practicing. Apparantly the story goes, he walked back to the change rooms and told Nadal "We have a problem".

Uncle Tony knew back then that Djokovic would be Nadal's greatest rival.

 

[joekapa]

Nadal in Slams was 6-2 against Federer until 2010 while he was 3-6 against Djokovic since 2011. That's the main reason Nadal won "only" 10 slams since 2011.

Anyway you have to decide wether it's an age or results thing. You can't talk about age when discussing Federer's h2h and then results when talking about Nadal.

If it's age, then Nadal is in Djokovic's gen.

Of course they are in the same gen. Any discussion otherwise, is simply foolish.

 

[RS]

Look at records as of 2010 end. It would be even better.

It is no wonder Djokovic padded up the h2h this decade. He is a younger player and Fedal get the shaft in h2h because of that.

From 2005-2010
Vs Djokovic 13-6
Vs Federer 14-8
Vs Murray 9-4
36-18

 

[tennisaddict]

From 2005-2010
Vs Djokovic 13-6
Vs Federer 14-8
Vs Murray 9-4
36-18

Nadal would have had the h2h lead if all 3 were the same age.

But he may or may not have won as many majors as he has done.

 

[RS]

Nadal would have had the h2h lead if all 3 were the same age.

But he may or may not have won as many majors as he has done.

You could make a case for any of them winning less slams or more if they were younger or older. To me it is not relevant unless it becomes a long debate IMO.

 

[NoleFam]

Look at records as of 2010 end. It would be even better.

It is no wonder Djokovic padded up the h2h this decade. He is a younger player and Fedal get the shaft in h2h because of that.

Yea I'm sure that huge 11 month difference between Djokodal makes a big difference. Djokovic has even played more Slams even though he started playing them after him. You keep peddling this lame excuse to discredit Djokovic when it is beyond weak.

 

[tennisaddict]

Yea I'm sure that huge 11 month difference between Djokodal makes a big difference. Djokovic has even played more Slams even though he started playing them after him. You keep peddling this lame excuse to discredit Djokovic when it is beyond weak.

It is perspective. In biological age, they are the same. In tennis evolution, they are 5 years apart.

 

[SaintPetros]

Djokovic in this decade leads the overall h2h against Claydal and Grasserer (the two GOATs of the surfaces): 10-9.

Nadal yes, Fed is just molasses grass GOAT, but your point stands

 

[NoleFam]

It is perspective. In biological age, they are the same. In tennis evolution, they are 5 years apart.

Lol how the hell are they 5 years apart in tennis evolution? This is beyond ridiculous. Federer has played 1497 matches, Nadal has played 1160, and Djokovic has played 1068 matches. Nadal is much closer to Djokovic than he is to Federer. They are the same generation and their primes overlapped for longer. You need to come up with something better.

 

[RS]

Lol how the hell are they 5 years apart in tennis evolution? This is beyond ridiculous. Federer has played 1497 matches, Nadal has played 1160, and Djokovic has played 1068 matches. Nadal is much closer to Djokovic than he is to Federer. They are the same generation and their primes overlapped for longer. You need to come up with something better.

He could mean Nadals body breaking down physically. Djokovic moves worlds better and faster off clay despite being only a year younger.

 

[NoleFam]

He could mean Nadals body breaking down physically. Djokovic moves worlds better and faster off clay despite being only a year younger.

That's unrelated to saying Fedal belong in the same generation and Djokodal don't. Federer's body also held up better than Nadal's even though he's older.

 

[RS]

That's unrelated to saying Fedal belong in the same generation and Djokodal don't. Federer's body also held up better than Nadal's even though he's older.

I meant addicts last response to you not the whole op. Federer body has held up better but he doesn’t actually have a genetic disorder like Nadal does and he obviously has a different style of play which is easier on the body.
I would disagree with the first part if he said that but I wasn’t fully following the whole discussion.

 

[NoleFam]

I meant addicts last response to you not the whole op. Federer body has held up better but he doesn’t actually have a genetic disorder like Nadal does and he obviously has a different style of play which is easier on the body.
I would disagree with the first part if he said that but I wasn’t fully following the whole discussion.

Well that same applies to Federer if we are talking about whose body held up better. Nadal won 13 Slams in a decade where Djokovic dominated and won 15 regardless of his more grueling style of play. Trying to separate him from his main rival for most of his career and say that they are not the same generation doesn't make sense.

 

[tennisaddict]

Lol how the hell are they 5 years apart in tennis evolution? This is beyond ridiculous. Federer has played 1497 matches, Nadal has played 1160, and Djokovic has played 1068 matches. Nadal is much closer to Djokovic than he is to Federer. They are the same generation and their primes overlapped for longer. You need to come up with something better.

That is not the correct way to evaluate.

Fed was a late bloomer, Nadal was an early bloomer - so their worlds intertwined.

Nadal and Federer had won 9 and 15 majors before even Novak won his second. That is 24 out of the 39 majors they have won all their career.

So their best was well before Djokovic started winning.

 

[tennisaddict]

Yea I'm sure that huge 11 month difference between Djokodal makes a big difference. Djokovic has even played more Slams even though he started playing them after him. You keep peddling this lame excuse to discredit Djokovic when it is beyond weak.

Oh BTW, your hypocrisy is mind blowing. Yesterday you were the one responding to @MichaelNadal that Djokovic is third wheel because he was 6 and 2 years younger. I am using your own sentiment here.

 

[NoleFam]

That is not the correct way to evaluate.

Fed was a late bloomer, Nadal was an early bloomer - so their worlds intertwined.

Nadal and Federer had won 9 and 15 majors before even Novak won his second. That is 24 out of the 39 majors they have won all their career.

So their best was well before Djokovic started winning.

And what does that have to do with anything? Djokovic also started winning Slams earlier than Federer. Nadal won two Slams this year at 33, the same amount as Djokovic.

Yea they had won more majors since they both started before he did and both hit their peaks before he did. Nadal did have 9 majors to Djokovic's 1 before 2011, then it was 10 to 4 just one year later when Djokovic started his ascension. Nadal won more Slams after 2011 than before it so that basically kills that theory.

 

[NoleFam]

Oh BTW, your hypocrisy is mind blowing. Yesterday you were the one responding to @MichaelNadal that Djokovic is third wheel because he was 6 and 2 years younger. I am using your own sentiment here.

Third wheel how? Slam count? Sure, but not much otherwise. He's not two years younger. He's one year younger, but started playing Slams in 2005 when Nadal started at 2003. I said its hard to catch moving targets when you started later than them which is true, especially when they keep adding Slams. He is still within 3 and 4 of them.

 

[tennisaddict]

And what does that have to do with anything? Djokovic also started winning Slams earlier than Federer. Nadal won two Slams this year at 33, the same amount as Djokovic.

Yea they had won more majors since they both started before he did and both hit their peaks before he did. Nadal did have 9 majors to Djokovic's 1 before 2011, then it was 10 to 4 just one year later when Djokovic started his ascension. Nadal won more Slams after 2011 than before it so that basically kills that theory.

Nadal is a previous gen player as compared to Djokovic. 9-1 is all there is to see.

Nadal has still managed to win slams this decade . That is to his credit and greatness, does not mean that he has Djokovic's legs or wear and tear at this time.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

Nice statistics. What is Djokovic's record against Wawrinka at his favorite tournament?

 

[NoleFam]

Nadal is a previous gen player as compared to Djokovic. 9-1 is all there is to see.

Nadal has still managed to win slams this decade . That is to his credit and greatness, does not mean that he has Djokovic's legs or wear and tear at this time.

Yea and that's why he has played Djokovic in every Slam final and not the previous generation's dominant player.

 

[SaintPetros]

Federer vs Djokovic at Federer most successful 5+ tournaments
AO: 1-3
Dubai: 3-1
Hamburg/Madrid: 0-0
Halle: 0-0
Wimbledon: 1-3
Cincinnatti: 3-1
Us Open: 3-3
Basel: 1-1
WTF: 2-4

Nadal vs Djokovic
Monte Carlo: 2-2
Barcelona: 0-0
Rome: 3-3
Hamburg/Madrid: 3-1
RG: 6-1
Canada: 1-1

OTOH, Djokovic vs Nadal is 3-0(Miami), 2-0(AO) and only win at Wimbledon by Nadal was WO
or 2-0 vs Federer in Paris and 3-0 in Rome(Djoker won both 4 times,though). And 3-0 in Indian Wells + 1-0 in Miami.

On the contrary, Fed has become such a plate bearer to Novak at his best slam it's become something of a tradition

 

[BeatlesFan]

Nadal and Djokovic are in the same generation. Period.

True.

And Fed and Djokovic are not the same generation. Period. Fed’s generation has long since retired: Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Gonzo, Baggy, Davy, Nalby, etc.

 

[SaintPetros]

True.

And Fed and Djokovic are not the same generation. Period. Fed’s generation has long since retired: Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Gonzo, Baggy, Davy, Nalby, etc.

So you ADMIT to his gooftroop generation!!!!

 

[King No1e]

True.

And Fed and Djokovic are not the same generation. Period. Fed’s generation has long since retired: Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Gonzo, Baggy, Davy, Nalby, etc.

True. Federer is from a slightly older generation than Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray. He was past his peak during the Big 4 era.