New Angell TC97!

smirker

Hall of Fame
To Saleem and others who have experimented with shifting the weights around inside the pallet: how has this worked for you?
Worked out well for me. Removed 20g and put the other weights in the lowest handle hole. With leather it weighs 332g and has a 6 point hl balance. Spot on for me.
 

JGads

Legend
I have tried both and I posted reviews of both in my recent playtest thread as well as some direct comparisons in the Angell Club thread, a quick search should yield results.

I would say that the 97 launches the ball more linearly and that it produces less explosive spin. It is not a true box beam (more like a flat beam if anything) and its feel resembles a Prestige or Radical of old I'd say, muted and buttery and yet you are very connected to the ball, but it certainly doesn't feel crisp like Pro Staffs.
Good to know, thanks.
 
Hey Guys, could use some help and feedback.

I ordered to TC97s without any demo-ing (don't even know if thats available now). I have owned two, TC95s before and liked them, but was hoping for a bit bigger head and box beam. Upon receiving mine, the first feel is that they are unusually stiff. I have played with a multitude of frames from 55 to 68 stiffness indexes - most recently PK Ki5PSEs, and Donnay GT Pro Ones, and this felt considerably stiffer than those. These new tc97s feel like the flex, or lack thereof, is in the throat, where are the TC95s felt like they flexed in the head, similar to the Bastcores but not as distinct (thankfully). My specs currently on these are 27", 351g, 31.5cm balance point.

I've tried two different string set- ups and both are producing a ping sound and sensation off the string bed - strung JET method with Technifibre Black Code 4S 18g at 48, and Volkl Cyclone 18g at 50.

Just wondering if anyone else has had the same experience, or whether I somehow got two lemons. Always have been a big fan of Paul's work, but just not real happy with the $500 + I've spent on these.

Appreciate any insight.

InsideOut
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Hey Guys, could use some help and feedback.

I ordered to TC97s without any demo-ing (don't even know if thats available now). I have owned two, TC95s before and liked them, but was hoping for a bit bigger head and box beam. Upon receiving mine, the first feel is that they are unusually stiff. I have played with a multitude of frames from 55 to 68 stiffness indexes - most recently PK Ki5PSEs, and Donnay GT Pro Ones, and this felt considerably stiffer than those. These new tc97s feel like the flex, or lack thereof, is in the throat, where are the TC95s felt like they flexed in the head, similar to the Bastcores but not as distinct (thankfully). My specs currently on these are 27", 351g, 31.5cm balance point.

I've tried two different string set- ups and both are producing a ping sound and sensation off the string bed - strung JET method with Technifibre Black Code 4S 18g at 48, and Volkl Cyclone 18g at 50.

Just wondering if anyone else has had the same experience, or whether I somehow got two lemons. Always have been a big fan of Paul's work, but just not real happy with the $500 + I've spent on these.

Appreciate any insight.

InsideOut
This is exactly how I felt. In Angell thread i documented my experience but even if we ignore the cost for same money there are hosts of racquets that felt better to me than tc97, I felt nothing close to head pro stock feel that many were describing.

Btw which string pattern? Mine tc97 and tc95 were both 18x20 and tc95 felt way better
 
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Mine were the 16x19, both the 95 ad 97. Felt like a 70 + stiffness index and almost all in the throat.

And to clarify, yes, not at all disappointed with the cost of the Angell's vs other sticks, just upset that I have two that I don't really want to play with. I put silicone in the handle of a Pure Control Tour and gave it to a buddy because it didn't seem like the fit for me from a comfort standpoint, and it felt downright PLUSH compared to the 97.
 

galapagos

Semi-Pro
This is exactly how I felt. In Angell thread i documented my experience but even if we ignore the cost for same money there are hosts of racquets that felt better to me than tc97, I felt nothing close to head pro stock feel that many were describing.

Btw which string pattern? Mine tc97 and tc95 were both 18x20 and tc95 felt way better
Dgoran can you tell me which model from a more available brand performs similar to your TC 97 and 95? Before buying "boutique" and blindshooting i would like to demo something and maybe will be happy anyway. So far Ive got experience with Ig prestige mp, blade 98 18x20, Dr 98,duel g 310, Graphene speed pro and xt and IG 315 18x20. I usually play with 340-350g sticks but I think I have to lower it to 320-340. Depends on the frame and SW. Anyway...My picks would be GSP,blade and dr98(random order) but something was missing in each racquet. However...I still need to spend some more time with DR and blade since they got that "something special" (side note- from racquets that i mentioned I find Ig speed 315 to be the worst-unstable,unforgiving,dead)
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I disagree with Goran here. Not only have I compared the TC97 18x20 directly to my PT280 multiple times, but I remember reading him saying the frame was more like an H22 or H19 to him, which is indeed a pro stock frame.

The TC97 reminds me very much of a firmer version of my PT280. I do have the 18x20 though and the layup of the 16x19 is not the same.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Dgoran can you tell me which model from a more available brand performs similar to your TC 97 and 95? Before buying "boutique" and blindshooting i would like to demo something and maybe will be happy anyway. So far Ive got experience with Ig prestige mp, blade 98 18x20, Dr 98,duel g 310, Graphene speed pro and xt and IG 315 18x20. I usually play with 340-350g sticks but I think I have to lower it to 320-340. Depends on the frame and SW. Anyway...My picks would be GSP,blade and dr98(random order) but something was missing in each racquet. However...I still need to spend some more time with DR and blade since they got that "something special" (side note- from racquets that i mentioned I find Ig speed 315 to be the worst-unstable,unforgiving,dead)
Closest frame to TC95 (63RA, 18x20) would be Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200, albeit with much less spin.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Dgoran can you tell me which model from a more available brand performs similar to your TC 97 and 95? Before buying "boutique" and blindshooting i would like to demo something and maybe will be happy anyway. So far Ive got experience with Ig prestige mp, blade 98 18x20, Dr 98,duel g 310, Graphene speed pro and xt and IG 315 18x20. I usually play with 340-350g sticks but I think I have to lower it to 320-340. Depends on the frame and SW. Anyway...My picks would be GSP,blade and dr98(random order) but something was missing in each racquet. However...I still need to spend some more time with DR and blade since they got that "something special" (side note- from racquets that i mentioned I find Ig speed 315 to be the worst-unstable,unforgiving,dead)
I felt that vcore 310g and 2015 blade 18x20(not countervail) were similar but hitting side by side tc97 vs blade both 18x20 blade actually felt plusher to me and same goes for orange vcore tour 310g. Problem with both vcore and blade is that they have pretty particular weight distribution and both did not work for my game in the long for different reasons blade (not too head light) and vcore too little mass in the hoop for specs

Tc95 on the other hand is totally worth it if you like plush racquets and is imho better buy than tc97 (at least one I had ). Tc95 feels better than All of the racquets you named something I personally cannot say about tc97 (although there are lots of people who like tc97 ).

I am having a hard time deciding now between volkl's now matte c10 and tc95. C10 feels more comfortable and even feels like it plows through the bal more than tc95, while tc95 feels more precise.

If I were you I would check out volkl c10, blade 18x20 and if they don't capture your imagination than go for tc95.

I think there is a demo in Us available now by company out of philly I think so that might save you some trouble.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Mine were the 16x19, both the 95 ad 97. Felt like a 70 + stiffness index and almost all in the throat.

And to clarify, yes, not at all disappointed with the cost of the Angell's vs other sticks, just upset that I have two that I don't really want to play with. I put silicone in the handle of a Pure Control Tour and gave it to a buddy because it didn't seem like the fit for me from a comfort standpoint, and it felt downright PLUSH compared to the 97.
It is strange I must admit that i had different opinion about tc97 than say Powerplayer or vsbabolat as we usually (throughout the years on this forum ) had pretty similar experience with any given racquet. I simply could not get rid of tc97 fast enough while I saw plush potential with tc95 right away even though I bought them both strung with a string that simply did not compliment the racquet in any way.

Recently testing tc95 with synthetic grip and it's a pillow. Hard to compare that racquet because it changes how it feels with different strings and grip setups (leather vs synth).

Pure control tour is pretty good racquet. I had it for a while and tc95 that I own is pretty similar I would say in terms of stability just maybe 2-3 ra softer.

I never felt that they were 70+ so that's even more strange but I have to say I am relieved that there's is another person that felt similar (although my tc97 felt like 65 ra strung ).
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Just thought of something? Is it possible that qc for RA is not that tight? What readings are you guys getting with your tc97?
Vsbabolat is 60
Powerplayer is 63 I think correct?
Maybe with big enough sample there is a way to figure it out even though most likely we are not measuring on the same machine and same string grip setup?

@Power Player Did you measure it at etennis?
 

StanAO14

Rookie
I have an Angell 97 18*20 as well and right now I'm not sure wether I will use it as my main stick.
I like the fact that it Really is a beautiful (quality wise and rock solid) frame and it could be a real winner in the right hands.
However I have some issues with the strung swingweight (unstrung it is 297, and strung it is around 330 I think) (balance unstrung 31).
I'm coming from a vcore tour G 310 with leather (strung balance and SW approximately 10 pts HL and 320), hence the angell has a less head light balance and a higher SW. Therefore (I think) I'm not be able (yet) to make enough RHS and clean contact, hence a bit sensitive arm.
I've tried thin copoly's to lower the SW somewhat but with not much succes (MSV focus hex 1.1, too thin/ breakable, KB proline 2 1.15, terrible tension maintenance, couldnt control my shots and now RSLyon 1.2, still testing, btw lal strung at around 21kg).
In general how long will i take approximately to get used to a higher SW? Right now I'm thinking it will not work out for me...
 

Ft.S

Semi-Pro
However I have some issues with the strung swingweight (unstrung it is 297, and strung it is around 330 I think) (balance unstrung 31).
Those number don't make sense to me. All of the stringing I have done have added between 16 to 21 gm at most. I doubt your strung weight is 34 gm higher than unstrung.
In general how long will i take approximately to get used to a higher SW? Right now I'm thinking it will not work out for me...
It generally takes me about a month to get used to significantly different balance, your mileage may vary. As a general note: if you add 3.2 gm under the butt cap on a 27" long TC97, it will move the balance +1 HL, and 6.0 gm will net +2.

This works well: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Tennis_Warehouse_Tungsten_Putty/descpageCNK-TP.html
 

lefty100

Rookie
Just thought of something? Is it possible that qc for RA is not that tight? What readings are you guys getting with your tc97?
Vsbabolat is 60
Powerplayer is 63 I think correct?
Maybe with big enough sample there is a way to figure it out even though most likely we are not measuring on the same machine and same string grip setup?

@Power Player Did you measure it at etennis?
For what it is worth I have 2 TC97s 16 x 19 and one is 300g 325mm and the other is 310g 315mm. The former came with synthetic and the latter with leather. I swapped out the synthetic for an Angell leather grip and they became the same static weight. What is interesting is that they produce the same type of shots for me and I can go between them no problems but the first one plays with a noticeably stiffer feel than the latter which has a richer, deeper and plusher feel. The first one pings a little on impact the second one not at all with the same string. I definitely prefer the latter racquet but the results do not differ. So there may be some real differences in what people are receiving. Thus, accounting for different subjective experiences in terms of feel.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
For what it is worth I have 2 TC97s 16 x 19 and one is 300g 325mm and the other is 310g 315mm. The former came with synthetic and the latter with leather. I swapped out the synthetic for an Angell leather grip and they became the same static weight. What is interesting is that they produce the same type of shots for me and I can go between them no problems but the first one plays with a noticeably stiffer feel than the latter which has a richer, deeper and plusher feel. The first one pings a little on impact the second one not at all with the same string. I definitely prefer the latter racquet but the results do not differ. So there may be some real differences in what people are receiving. Thus, accounting for different subjective experiences in terms of feel.
Interesting. Also makes sense when I was saying it sounded like Goran got a different frame than me.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
In general how long will i take approximately to get used to a higher SW? Right now I'm thinking it will not work out for me...
In situations like this I've taken a Dremel tool with a fine grinding bit and made some tiny grinds on the headguard. A little bit shaved off goes a long way to lowering SW when it's up top.
 

MatthewH.

Rookie
No, not yet just the quadro twist which it plays beautifully with. I’m trying square-x in the TC95. I tried both Hyper g and RS Lyon in the TC97 and I like the RS Lyon a lot more. The hyper G was too soft and will need to increase tension. I bet both strings plays well in the TC95
what tension did you use the Lyon? thinking of trying it in my 16x19 TC97
 

haqq777

Legend
Same as the TC97 Custom except the handle is molded so you can't change the weight/balance.
Well sure you can (as @zalive once replied to a similar comment). Lead/tungsten tape and a balance board go a long way. Just that the pallet itself is molded and does not have the weight system you will find in Custom versions.
Any TC97 pro users? Wha is good about this frame?
Its the lightest offering of TC97. Unlike Custom which you can build to your specs, TC97 Pro already comes with designated specs (290g, 2 pt HL, 16x19, Grip shape B). Same mold and layup too as Custom version.
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
Well of course it can be done, even pro customizers use lead over the handle (wrapped over the top of the handle or strips in direction of the handle). I personally don't mind lead wrapped around the butt cap either.
Me, I prefer to stay away from the famous death wrap grip, pros, cons or not...just keep that lead away from my butt...cap...lol
Yes, there are many non toxic metal options out there other that lead and recyclable.
Having four kids growing up around tennis, I made sure lead was out of the picture.
Lead very toxic and is one of the oldest known occupational hazards. Not even getting into in our environment...
This is not fear mongering(well hmm)...
Just trying to raise the awareness for a longer life on and off the court....
https://www.epa.gov/lead/learn-about-lead
 

haqq777

Legend
Lots of other materials can be used to weight up a racquet. That should not even be an issue really. For example, wrapping electrical tape tightly twice around is about 2g on a size 4 3/8 grip shape B. Wrap it from base to top of handle neatly and you can easily add 10g. It is so thin that there is negligible change in thickness of the handle and you can add leather or synthetic grip on top. You can even concentrate weight at a particular point on the handle as well. Hoop, you can hide lead or tungsten under grommets. Just have to get creative like that.
 
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FV_Br

Rookie
Well sure you can (as @zalive once replied to a similar comment). Lead/tungsten tape and a balance board go a long way. Just that the pallet itself is molded and does not have the weight system you will find in Custom versions.

Its the lightest offering of TC97. Unlike Custom which you can build to your specs, TC97 Pro already comes with designated specs (290g, 2 pt HL, 16x19, Grip shape B). Same mold and layup too as Custom version.
What about playability of the TC 97 pro? How much is the swingweight in stock form and strung?
 
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