New BIG 4 Confirmed ?

Is this players are New BIG 4 ?

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topher

topher

Professional
Crazy to think Sasha may be the most uncertain of the 4, given he’s had the highest ranking and won the most M1000s. But he struggles so much in best of 5 and is having a rough year.
 
georgemccauley

georgemccauley

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King No1e said:
I hope these are tennis's new elites. All 4 of them have the game to be multi-Slam champs and they have their own unique strengths and weaknesses.
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They have great games, but they haven’t done it by beating and taking over the big 3. As predicted by many it’s looking like their simply picking up now because the big 3 (apart from Nadal) are no longer good enough
 
georgemccauley

georgemccauley

Rookie
topher said:
Crazy to think Sasha may be the most uncertain of the 4, given he’s had the highest ranking and won the most M1000s. But he struggles so much in best of 5 and is having a rough year.
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I’d also say that Sasha is the greater of the 4 at the moment. He has a bit of an aura about him, his game is powerful and very compact. If he improves his net game a mental strength another 10% he could dominate for quite a while
 
King No1e

King No1e

Legend
georgemccauley said:
They have great games, but they haven’t done it by beating and taking over the big 3. As predicted by many it’s looking like their simply picking up now because the big 3 (apart from Nadal) are no longer good enough
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Yeah, Tsitsipas and Zverev just beat mugs in QFs
 
Enga

Enga

Hall of Fame
I guess these are 4 names that make sense, we've seen them all have some great results, at least on occasion. I think they need to do a lot more before they can be as big as deserving of the Big 4 name. I don't think a lot of players really fear and respect them like with Murray, Nadal, Federer and Djokovic.
 
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ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
georgemccauley said:
I’d also say that Sasha is the greater of the 4 at the moment. He has a bit of an aura about him, his game is powerful and very compact. If he improves his net game a mental strength another 10% he could dominate for quite a while
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I don’t think he has a positive aura. I would say anyone sees his chances especially against him because he’s always able to collapse at any point in a match.

Strangely against Federer he always plays good (and Federer choses the wrong strategy), but he can really lose against anyone on any day. That’s why he will never dominate and likely even never win a Slam.
 
clout

clout

Hall of Fame
Is Thiem really in the same gen as those three though. He became a legal adult before any of the other three were eligible to receive a drivers license.
 
UnderratedSlam

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
ChrisRF said:
I don’t think he has a positive aura. I would say anyone sees his chances especially against him because he’s always able to collapse at any point in a match.

Strangely against Federer he always plays good (and Federer choses the wrong strategy), but he can really lose against anyone on any day. That’s why he will never dominate and likely even never win a Slam.
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4-3 vs RF
2-3 vs Novak
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0-5 vs Rafa.

Why???

It's strange how he can't beat Nadal.
 
georgemccauley

georgemccauley

Rookie
ChrisRF said:
I don’t think he has a positive aura. I would say anyone sees his chances especially against him because he’s always able to collapse at any point in a match.

Strangely against Federer he always plays good (and Federer choses the wrong strategy), but he can really lose against anyone on any day. That’s why he will never dominate and likely even never win a Slam.
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I see what you’re saying. But when he’s on, I think his top level is superior to the other three in my honest opinion.

He really isn’t that far away. All he needs is a bit more experience. His game is there and when he can start being more consistent in slams, he will win multiple grand slams
 
clout

clout

Hall of Fame
UnderratedSlam said:
4-3 vs RF
2-3 vs Novak
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0-5 vs Rafa.

Why???

It's strange how he can't beat Nadal.
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RF plays against Sascha the wrong way. He tries to grind him down when he should really be all-out attacking. The 2017 Halle finals shows how Zverev looks completely hopeless against Fed when Fed goes on full attack mode.

With Djoker, Zverev is actually a pretty tough matchup for him in a BO3 as Zverevs game is quite similar to Djokovic’s but Zverev hits the ball harder. Zverev wears out in BO5 so Nole will still cruise against him there (RG 2019).

Rafa is a tough matchup because he grinds Zverev down. He bullies Zverev all over the court and eventually, Zverev wears out even in a BO3. Sascha also choked a couple of their earlier matches when Rafa’s level wasn’t that high and that killed any confidence this kid ever had against Rafa.
 
UnderratedSlam

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
clout said:
RF plays against Sascha the wrong way. He tries to grind him down when he should really be all-out attacking. The 2017 Halle finals shows how Zverev looks completely hopeless against Fed when Fed goes on full attack mode.

With Djoker, Zverev is actually a pretty tough matchup for him in a BO3 as Zverevs game is quite similar to Djokovic’s but Zverev hits the ball harder. Zverev wears out in BO5 so Nole will still cruise against him there (RG 2019).

Rafa is a tough matchup because he grinds Zverev down. He moves Zverev all over the court and eventually, Zverev wears out even in a BO3.
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You gotta love how he tortures his opponents.
 
C

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
georgemccauley said:
I see what you’re saying. But when he’s on, I think his top level is superior to the other three in my honest opinion.

He really isn’t that far away. All he needs is a bit more experience. His game is there and when he can start being more consistent in slams, he will win multiple grand slams
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No, this year was a big step backwards as a whole. He won one 250 tournament, and this even barely with playing horrible tennis. This win today was his first win over a top 10 player in the whole season, believe it or not.

At Slams he needs too long to beat anyone, and then it’s always too much after 2 or 3 5-set-matches. He can never just get rid of an opponent easily because he no power in his shots when the opponent doesn’t give him speed (like Federer always does).

Until last year at least he had his chances to win big titles in Best of 3, but still he was mostly lucky with draws opening up or playing big guys in the right moment (injuries or out of form stretches).
 
tennis_pro

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Medvedev vs Tsitsipas & Zverev vs Berrettini.

HELL YEAH Berrettini a part of the new big 4. The memes will never end.
 
Yugram

Yugram

Hall of Fame
clout said:
Shapo has the higher ceiling among the two imo. He has the power and game to win slams once he figures out that tennis isn’t about trying to whack winners on every shot...
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It may be too late when he figures this out. He’s a clinical no brain basher atm.
 
tennis_pro

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
steelcity32 said:
Kinda indisputable given hard court results this year :-D
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It's happened way too many times recently that Nadal was pwning the competition and then he faced Fed or Djokovic and he tensed up - just take this year - 2019 AO or 2019 Wimbledon. He had no chance. Berrettini is Berrettini and he's gonna Berrettini.
 
steelcity32

steelcity32

Rookie
tennis_pro said:
Oh yeah you're right!

Gasquet, Robredo, Rublev also so tough. Really really tough opponents for Nadal in the final rounds of a Slam.
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Gasquet and Robredo are pretty bad against shotmakers. However, Rublev has shown pretty great potential in his first few years, way too soon to call him a mug.
 
tennis_pro

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
steelcity32 said:
Gasquet and Robredo are pretty bad against shotmakers. However, Rublev has shown pretty great potential in his first few years, way too soon to call him a mug.
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Yes, incredibly competition for Nadal at the US Open. Equal to Federer, Djokovic, Sampras and even God himself. How Nadal won those US Opens is beyond belief. Best USO player ever too. Just give him another 2-3 years. The 2020 USO final against Lajovic is gonna be epic, no?
 
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