New Biometeric Dunlop Racquets.

[grass_hopper]

Played with new 300 tour, it's feels more head heavy and more flex than previous version. great for 5.0 level player.

Played with new 300, it feels more head heavy, bigger sweet spot, more stable, less flex than previous version, loved it at the net, great for 4.0 player.

Played with new 600, it's solid racquet but sweet spot too small and felt too light to 3.5 player type.

Did not play with new 200 light, but it's very flexable and head size feels like 107, big sweet spot.

the new gecko grip is very soft( feels like the blue over grip that pro use ) but also really tacky.

 

[GameSetMatch]

Existing thread already on this new line, but your comments are encouraging.

The 4D 300 Tour was a bit too light in the hoop in stock form (though easy to mod), despite the indicated balance of 320mm. Did you experience the 'low sweetspot' issue of the 4D 300T in this Bio 300T? Or was the sweetspot bang in the centre of the hoop?

Any idea when these go on sale?

 

[bigdaddy]

Did the 600 have good pop.

 

[bigdaddy]

Any info on the swingweight of the 600.

 

[grass_hopper]

biometric dunlop

the 600 has great pop from baseline, it has a swing weight of 330 in my estimate. all the new ones felt more head heavy than the previous versions.
the sweet spot is in upper center part of racquet and not in lower bottom on the new ones. I kept the 300, I got sold on it right away. these racquets will be available on December.

 

[GameSetMatch]

^^^ The Bio 300T is definitely a slightly different construction then with a different weight distribution through the frame.

Does it play better or worse than the 4D 300T or did not have enough playing time? Would be interested in your description of its characteristics compared to the 4D....

 

[Tennisguy777]

Existing thread already on this new line, but your comments are encouraging.

The 4D 300 Tour was a bit too light in the hoop in stock form (though easy to mod), despite the indicated balance of 320mm. Did you experience the 'low sweetspot' issue of the 4D 300T in this Bio 300T? Or was the sweetspot bang in the centre of the hoop?

Any idea when these go on sale?

Right on, I thought it was too light in the head. Just couldn't get the plow through and stability I was getting with the AG200.

 

[Sportselect]

Nice to already get some feedback on the racquets!

 

[grass_hopper]

the 300T feel weight is now 11.8, I found all three racquets more solid than previous versions with plow through due to being more head heavy feel. the sweet spots of both 300 racquets are bigger and located at upper part of racquet head. both 300 are much better when valleying at net than in mid court. the 600 strength was at the base line ( one handed back hand) had a lot of pop.

 

[GameSetMatch]

^^^ The Bio 300T can't be 11.8oz surely? The specs say 320g strung(?), which is the same as the 4D 300T. The 4D 300T has always been 'solid' with a one piece feel and really good vibration damping. It's not an area that I feel they would need to improve on.

Personally, I don't have a problem with a 320g strung weight because if its anything like the 4D, it will be very 'moddable'.

The 4D 300 Tour really 'wakes up' when you start adding lead (as well as correcting the sweet spot issue) and it turns into a racquet that allows you to penetrate the court whilst still giving you a huge amount of control. A mains poly hybrid with the 4D works very very well. The harder you hit with it, the more control it seems to give. If I do have a very slight criticism, I wish that it felt slightly more scalpel like in feel, but I guess you can only achieve so much with a closed pattern 98" racquet.

Have to say I'm genuinely looking forward to the Bio 300T and intrigued about how its going to perform and feel. Why are they delaying them until December though when the catalogue is already online??

 

[johnnymacfan]

the 600 has great pop from baseline, it has a swing weight of 330 in my estimate. all the new ones felt more head heavy than the previous versions.
the sweet spot is in upper center part of racquet and not in lower bottom on the new ones. I kept the 300, I got sold on it right away. these racquets will be available on December.

The swingweight on the 600 is closer to 305 rather than 330...I was really impressed at the amount of pop from this frame, and the versatility of it. It's a very intersting spec.

I tried the new 300 and was instantly remided of the HM 300G, which I loved. The swingweight was 318 with a dampener and overgrip, which I like much better. It was strung with their "Black Widow" poly, which was interesting to say the least. Very soft feel but tremendous spin.

I found the 300 Tour to be a bit stiffer (which I like) than the 4D version, and the rep said this was due to a few factors, including the "chrome" base paint on the frame, which is completely stunning cosmetically.

The rep told me they start shipping in early November.

 

[DEH]

The swingweight on the 600 is closer to 305 rather than 330...I was really impressed at the amount of pop from this frame, and the versatility of it. It's a very intersting spec.

I tried the new 300 and was instantly remided of the HM 300G, which I loved. The swingweight was 318 with a dampener and overgrip, which I like much better. It was strung with their "Black Widow" poly, which was interesting to say the least. Very soft feel but tremendous spin.

I found the 300 Tour to be a bit stiffer (which I like) than the 4D version, and the rep said this was due to a few factors, including the "chrome" base paint on the frame, which is completely stunning cosmetically.

The rep told me they start shipping in early November.

Did you see the 200 plus? I would like to know what the swingweight is on that one. Any clue?

 

[blinebasher]

When do you expect for the new Dunlop line to hit the market? The 300T, does it have the same balance as the 4D, or is it more head light?

 

[GameSetMatch]

^^^ All been answered in other thread....
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=349352

 

[johnnymacfan]

Did you see the 200 plus? I would like to know what the swingweight is on that one. Any clue?

Swingweight of the 200 Plus in stock form was 320 or so if I remember right. It's a different looking stick, but was very solid. There aren't many player beams out there at a 100" headsize, which is very interesting to me. The headsize makes the 18x20 string pattern much more spin friendly, but keeps the control and feel I love with 18 main strings. I was impressed.

 

[bluegrasser]

the 600 has great pop from baseline, it has a swing weight of 330 in my estimate. all the new ones felt more head heavy than the previous versions.
the sweet spot is in upper center part of racquet and not in lower bottom on the new ones. I kept the 300, I got sold on it right away. these racquets will be available on December.

You got the 300 ! wait til I get a hold of you:evil: - I know this guy

 

[shintan17]

Went to Thailand Open today to see Del Potro and the Dunlop shop carried all new models. They were about 7000 Baht which is more than $200 USD. So many models including 200, 200 plus, 200 light, 300, 300 tour, 300 light, 500, 500 tour, and whatever...just too many.

http://yfrog.com/n3dsc05385ej

 

[atatu]

Went to Thailand Open today to see Del Potro and the Dunlop shop carried all new models. They were about 7000 Baht which is more than $200 USD. So many models including 200, 200 plus, 200 light, 300, 300 tour, 300 light, 500, 500 tour, and whatever...just too many.

http://yfrog.com/n3dsc05385ej

Are the 500's that you are talking about the 4D line ?

 

[shintan17]

Are the 500's that you are talking about the 4D line ?

No...it's all new models. There must be at least 10 models...couldn't remember all...there were just too many..lol...but hafta remember some of them will not be available in US.

 

[slice bh compliment]

Biometric,
Biometeric,
Biokinetic....

The moment I saw the name Biomimetic (imitating life), I knew Dunlop would fight an uphill battle, in terms of marketing and image. It's one of those awkward words that'll either lose people or educate them.

How many minutes of repetition will they have the reps do at the national sales meeting? Bio-mim-ET-ic, bio-mim-ET-ic, biomimetic. Is that even right (I think it is, I've only read the other thread).

Well, I don't see how they are going to top the current 200Tour and the 300 Tour. But they do look cool. What's the shark skin like?

 

[atatu]

No...it's all new models. There must be at least 10 models...couldn't remember all...there were just too many..lol...but hafta remember some of them will not be available in US.

Thanks, have pics and specs of the 500 line been released already ? I haven't seen them, but maybe I haven't been paying attention...

 

[GameSetMatch]

What's the shark skin like?

I have to say that I do wonder whether that is pure marketing. If a bumpy surface supposedly creates less drag and is more aerodynamic, then why are the surfaces of planes and the hulls of boats smooth? In any event, I wouldn't have thought that surface texture would be the main factor in generating or inhibiting racquet head speed, its the racquets weight and the player's technique.

shintan17 - did you manage to get the specs for the 200 (non-tour, non-plus)?

 

[Agent Orynge]

I have to say that I do wonder whether that is pure marketing. If a bumpy surface supposedly creates less drag and is more aerodynamic, then why are the surfaces of planes and the hulls of boats smooth? In any event, I wouldn't have thought that surface texture would be the main factor in generating or inhibiting racquet head speed, its the racquets weight and the player's technique.

Good question. A simple google for "why don't airplanes have dimples?" yielded this;

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0215.shtml

After being smacked in the face with a wall of physics, if you scroll towards the end you'll see that the short answer is because a sphere =/= a wing (or any streamlined shape).

 

[GameSetMatch]

^^^ Interesing and informative link. Thanks for the explanation!

 

[DEH]

Swingweight of the 200 Plus in stock form was 320 or so if I remember right. It's a different looking stick, but was very solid. There aren't many player beams out there at a 100" headsize, which is very interesting to me. The headsize makes the 18x20 string pattern much more spin friendly, but keeps the control and feel I love with 18 main strings. I was impressed.

Thanks, that is what I was looking for. I was hoping it would be in the high teens or low twenties. The balance was ? 31.5cm or 32.5

 

[RiceCommander]

Has anyone heard if the 100 will come out at the same time as the rest or will it be months after?

 

[yuth]

I knew that 100 came out , and opening this new line in Thailand open for now. I do think that 100 is good looking. Anyway, still have not chance to demo it.

this is the 100

Thanks: ฝากรูป สถานที่ท่องเที่ยว

Credit picture by: Suppawat

 

[RiceCommander]

Thanks Yuth. I agree the 100 looks pretty sweet. I am definitely going to have to try it out. I recently got on the D-Squad which comes with theses racquet packages but they don't have the 200 anymore because of these new Biomimetics coming out soon, so I am planing on demoing this one and the 200.

 

[airman88]

I still don't get what replaces the 200 series frames (not the lighter plus version).

 

[RiceCommander]

They don't want to sell the Aerogel 4D 200 anymore so people will buy the Biomimetic version.

 

[BreakPoint]

I knew that 100 came out , and opening this new line in Thailand open for now. I do think that 100 is good looking. Anyway, still have not chance to demo it.

this is the 100

Thanks: ฝากรูป สถานที่ท่องเที่ยว

Credit picture by: Suppawat

Wow! This thing looks like a ProStaff 6.0 Original with its box beam and flat semi-circle throat cutouts. Wonder if it feels and plays anything like a PS 6.0?

 

[BreakPoint]

Anyone have the specs for the Biomimetic 100?

Thanks

 

[jchl97]

Anyone have the specs for the Biomimetic 100?

Thanks

The Japanese released them all, you should be able to see the specs, expecting not to know what it meant.

Enjoy.

http://www.dunloptennis.jp/racket/bio.html

 

[ManuGinobili]

Love how Thailand's a big hub for Dunlop... Now I just gotta draw some plans to cross the border and bring back some sticks

Anyone have the specs for the Biomimetic 100?

Thanks

It looks very nice indeed

Getting tired of your AK90? I played a match with one the other day, was not in decent form (yes I like to blame the beer) and got whooped

 

[Fedace]

when is the demo available at tw ?

 

[airman88]

They don't want to sell the Aerogel 4D 200 anymore so people will buy the Biomimetic version.

Yea, but which biomimetric frame replaces the Aerogel 4D 200 is what I am asking. I didn't see anything at just below 12 oz and 95 sq. inches.

 

[grass_hopper]

600 biommetric Dunlop

I Picked up the 600 again, handle is size 2 ( this is what the Dunlop rep ) sent to us. my grip is 4. so I used the masking tape to build up the grip, weight is now 11.0 oz, right after hitting with it, I traded the 4D 500 tour for it.

If you like that racquet or PD then you would love the custom version of 600. more flex, 600 is 68-69 flex, 500 tour is 71-73 flex. more power with medium swing style.
much better control than Pure drive GT ( I have the orange one in the bag).
the 100 head size of 600 looks and feels like a wilson tour (henen racquet 95).

this racquet has huge amount of zip on the ball and great plow through now.

 

[BreakPoint]

The Japanese released them all, you should be able to see the specs, expecting not to know what it meant.

Enjoy.

http://www.dunloptennis.jp/racket/bio.html

Thanks.

The specs of the BM100 look very similar to the specs of the 4D 100 and AG100. Perhaps a bit more headlight.

BTW, does Dunlop come out with entire new lines of racquets faster than any other brand or what? They seem to have really short product cycles. I mean, it seems like the 4D Aerogel series just came out!

 

[Fed Kennedy]

Which frame will jmac be endorsing?

 

[JediMindTrick]

Thanks.

The specs of the BM100 look very similar to the specs of the 4D 100 and AG100. Perhaps a bit more headlight.

BTW, does Dunlop come out with entire new lines of racquets faster than any other brand or what? They seem to have really short product cycles. I mean, it seems like the 4D Aerogel series just came out!

No, it's every 2 years like everybody else.

 

[Devilito]

The 100 looks HOT. And LOL @ the $400 price tag.

 

[RiceCommander]

Yea, but which biomimetric frame replaces the Aerogel 4D 200 is what I am asking. I didn't see anything at just below 12 oz and 95 sq. inches.

I'm not exactly sure but I think its just the Biomimetic 200 that will replace it. They just haven't shown it on the American websites yet but if you take a look at the previous comments about the racquets in Japan, it shows the 200 there.

 

[BreakPoint]

No, it's every 2 years like everybody else.

Not really. Within the last 8 years, there have been 6 different Dunlop "200" models: MW200G, HM200, M-Fil 200, AG200, AG 4D200, Biomimetic 200.

It was 3 years between the Wilson K90 and BLX90. And the PS 6.0 85 was on the market for almost 25 years. :shock:

 

[Buckethead]

Biometric,
Biometeric,
Biokinetic....

The moment I saw the name Biomimetic (imitating life), I knew Dunlop would fight an uphill battle, in terms of marketing and image. It's one of those awkward words that'll either lose people or educate them.

How many minutes of repetition will they have the reps do at the national sales meeting? Bio-mim-ET-ic, bio-mim-ET-ic, biomimetic. Is that even right (I think it is, I've only read the other thread).

Well, I don't see how they are going to top the current 200Tour and the 300 Tour. But they do look cool. What's the shark skin like?

lol,
What about Biodumbetic??lol, I can't stop laughing at this one.
What a stupid name for a line of racquets. We already saw what happened to Davydenko today. Dunlop's curse is as strong as ever.

 

[grass_hopper]

the new "Silk" string that these racquets came with is syn gut type, pretty hard on elbow but it does NOT move and has NOT lost tension after 7 hours of play.

the gecko grip on these racquets is awsome, no tacky feel but not soft and spongy either. I do like the new grip's feel and the paint job itself is very different than other racquets, there is a hex texture on racquet's paint job.


Very Cool and inventive.

 

[Bartelby]

Biodumbetic: Sounds like a good title for someone's autobiography.

lol,
What about Biodumbetic??lol, I can't stop laughing at this one.
What a stupid name for a line of racquets. We already saw what happened to Davydenko today. Dunlop's curse is as strong as ever.

 

[morten]

specs for the 100 please...

 

[Mig1NC]

Morten, the specs you want are at the link posted above ( http://www.dunloptennis.jp/racket/bio.html )

 

[Keifers]

Bio aerodynamics

I just dropped by my LTS and dry swung the 4D 300 Tour and Bio 300 Tour. The Bio moved through the air much easier than the 4D -- the difference was quite noticeable. Swinging the 4D, it felt (and sounded) like I was pushing a lot more air with the racquet head.

 

[Mig1NC]

I find it interesting that they have a standard, lite, tour, and plus version for the 300 and 500. So far they have a standard, lite, and plus version for the 200 as well (maybe they will have a 200 tour at some point).

I have to wonder are they planning to do that kind of treatment to each of them, except perhaps the 100.