Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Kal-El 34, Mar 3, 2011.
Sent you an email concerning Donnays.
OK so I have seen the prototypes of the new line of Donnay frames. Since I post on this board, and I feel y'all rep the tennis community pretty well I have this to ask:
What do you think of a new line of Donnay racquets being released?
When would you like to see the new line released?
Do you think it is too soon to start seeing new racquets produced?
What do you think will happen to the X Series?
Just some brainstorming here guys !!! Let me know what you think
Do you know when the new line will be released?
Why would it be too soon? More buzz certainly isn't going to hurt the company.
The only thing that would be too soon is to get rid of the current series. I think that would kill my confidence in the company as a consumer, like they really didn't believe in it in the first place.
just throwing some questions out there.. just interested in what the board thinks
i am not sure right now. seems sooner rather than later though
i think they look good, the Donnays, still it does not seem to be a huge success, the hype died, and the specs(beamwidth) was different at different sites. Also specs seems too similar IMO..
No I didn't mean anything contrary. That was me giving my opinion.
x 99 red
i am playing with timo 18 52lbs plays great there
I do not think that Donnay should release a new line yet. Most tennis players do not even know they are making rackets again. Everyone I show them to thinks they are old rackets. The push should be toward endorsements with top players and nation wide distribution not releasing new lines. The current line covers a variety of players, but there are holes in the big head, very light catagories. I would release a few club level rackets and then in a year or so release a new line around a prominent player.
i am kind of with you on this one. well put but we shall see
How about world wide release, most people haven't even heard of em in Aus.
you been to their website? you can get demos and order internationally directly through donnay
I too, think they should get a top player, they should have jumped on raonic.
any not just any player but one that you've heard of, I mean I know they probably cant afford a player in the top 10, but atleast top 50, with some notoriety, can anyone make some suggestions?
I think the other problem, is no advertising, Really NO ONE, but hardcore enthusiasts like us on this forum know about the new donnay.
(ok I know they had some stuff on tennis channel, but I dont get TC, and neither do a lot of people)
It's sooner- with the x series mid march surprise - the new line should be rolling out near Miami time!
It is always interesting to see Donnay coming out with new innovation. Having played a lot of retail and pro-stock racquets in the past 3 years, I can say Donnay has a lot of engineering effort behind their products. Whether the new line will be released sooner or later, the X-Series is still around. I myself keep 2 black94 and 2 blue94 unstrung together with other classic, and pro-stock racquet collection. The X-Series 99 starts getting a lot of attention from top juniors here. I saw three of them winning at least 7-8 junior titles (single & double) since the X-Series were released in September 2010.
Well they have YANINA WICKMAYER!!! (LOL just poking fun...) Which one is she using? The X-Yanina Super Secret?
I don't get Tennis Channel either... and it really po's me that I can't watch it online.
Hah, yeah but really, whos heard of Wickmayer?? most women dont sell rackets, I mean only the superstar women would you even notice what they play with, like wozniaki, serena, and.... i don't know what other women I can name what racket they use...
I agree. I can't imagine the difficulty in getting one of the top players to switch though.
Kal-El: Here are some thoughts concerning the design of the Donnay X-Series racquets and a few suggestions regarding possible improvements and/or problems to address in the new models:
Generally, I think the new line of Donnay should address some of the basic design flaws of the weighting strip system of the X-Series line. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of built in customization but the current system has a few minor issues or problems.
Prob #1: After the normal wear and tear of the head guard, it becomes very difficult to put the head strip in or take the head strip out. Because of the placement of the head strip, it is required to remove and reinstall the head strip (as well as the side strips) every time the racquet is restrung. Because the head strip is installed into the soft plastic of the grommet system, the grooved track of the top strip soon becomes deformed and ultimately the top strip is unable (or is very very difficult) to be reinstalled. This problem was particularly apparent with the assortment of demo racquets that I tried out (note: these were not particularly abused racquets either)... Obviously in the new ones (the 2 Black 99's) that I recently purchased there were no initial problems to install the head strip as there had been no wear to the head guard of the stick, but I am worried about getting used to the top weight strip, then being unable to functionally use it after a while of normal wear. Therefore, I think the top strip concept ought to be rethought... on the other hand, the side strips feed directly into the frame, and are not subject to the same deformation as the head strip, thus the side strip weights work well in the real world of actual use. NOTE: The interchangeable butt cap(s) are an awesome feature, and they work perfectly and easily... this feature is a complete winner!
Suggestion for improvement: Devise a customizable weighting system for the top of the head that is not required to be removed every time the racquet is restrung, and make sure the system is not subject to normal wear and tear of the (plastic) grommet system.
Prob #2: When the standard (stock 0 grams) butt cap is removed from the racquet to customize the handle weight, the clear plastic of the cap frequently separates from the cap and pops off when the key is used to remove it. This problem has occurred more than once and I know others that have had the same experience.
Suggestion for improvement: Redesign the butt cap so that the use of the key to remove the cap from the handle can not damage the clear plastic cover of the standard butt cap. PS This problem only seemed to happen with the standard butt cap.
Prob #3: The beam width of the racquet at the top does not allow for the manual application of lead tape at the higher 10/2/12 positions without significant overlap of the frame. I understand the point was to create as thin a beam as possible, but because the width of beam gets thinner and thinner as you go to the top of the frame, it creates a problem with manual lead customization. Even a slightly wider beam would do the trick... just a subtle difference would help, and may even improve the stability at the top of the stick.
Suggestion for improvement: Maintain the same width of the frame at the top of the frame as the width at the middle of the frame, and allow for sufficient width at any point of the frame for a strip of 1/4 in lead at any preferred position without any overlap outside the inner side of the frame.
Prob #4: The paint job of these racquets is truly beautiful but the paint does seem to chip off and scratch fairly easily. Also, as the weighting strips become more difficult to install, due to normal wear, it is very likely that the metal key used to install the strips, particularly the head strip, will eventually slip and seriously scratch the paint.
Well those are a few ideas for the new models... however, regarding the current models (the amazing Black 99's)... I am currently experimenting with the 5g butt cap and a few grams of lead at the 9/3 or the 10/2 (some times with the side strips and some times without the side strips). Because of the design issues mentioned above, I have not been using the top head strip... but I doubt I will really miss it or need it.
Once again, let me be clear that I love these sticks... it will be very interesting to watch the on-going evolution of these frame as the new models are revealed to the public... I love the innovation, and I love that someone is manufacturing something different, something with a higher level of quality than the standard stuff... viva la difference. Donnay has really delivered a great product that is worth every penny.
You will be pleasantly surprised by the new line then
It may actually be better (for both them and the consumer) that they do not design a racquet priced to sell to "most people"... that is what all the other ones (Head, Wilson, Babolat etc,...) do already... I like the idea that they put little more attention, innovation, perhaps higher quality materials and additional quality into their products... this always costs more, thus they will have to charge more... what is cool about what they are doing is precisely that they are not "dumbing down" their product for "most people" and they are not cutting corners... We need more "boutique" manufacturers like this not less, maybe even some offering "pro stock" type racquet... Vantage is offering some really cool (and more expensive) customizable products as well... and, regarding Donnays, it is likely that their current products will appeal to the more serious players, or people who are willing to pay more for higher quality, and thus maybe even interest a few pros!
The bottom line is that it may be a mistake (at this time) for them to compete at the low end as their fixed costs will be higher than the other mass marketers in the industry. It is probably better for Donnay to deliver a better product, raise their prices and make more per unit to first establish (and distinguish) themselves again in this competitive market.
Again u need to read what he wrote- and u will be rewarded soon from the xline and the new line is not drastically different- think metals.....
sounds like you have the same inside info i am getting... the new line looks sweet. its tough trying to get information out without giving too much away haha
o - orange 99 with full lex adrenaline rough
lux adrenaline / wilson red alert hybrid for a customer
Sent you another email concerning the Donnays.
haha yes! Still loving the x series and the racquet in your sig!
Thx for the inside tip... the new line sounds very interesting... but now I'm really really curious!
I have been trying the yellow 99 for the last couple of days. To me it is definitely more powerful than the white, to much for my liking.
The yellow has the same weight+balance as the white, for those that like that weight+want some power it should be good. I used it with the lux main+multi x's which came with it, which was under powered in the white, but a lot of power in the yellow.
So i am not going to waste anymore time or string trying to make the yellow right. I am just going to stay with the white+most likely will be purchasing a couple of them.
tlm glad to hear you are enjoying your time with them. i had 2 new people switch to x-whites today. at the club that i work with these frames have been going out the door to people wanting them as soon as we get them in.
I have a red 99 and a black 99 and I love them both. So stable on impact and great feel. I also really like the control I get with the thin beam. The red has bb ace 18 in it and I can really slice the ball well with that setup. Overall, I'm impressed with these racquets. They are also easy to string.
what do the different colors mean? What plays closest to the old Ti.Radical MP, ProStaff 85, Six One Tour. etc?
Thanks for the reviews Kal-el, and I see that you're in NYC I'm in Southern CT maybe sometime we could get a hit in, maybe this summer if we both have time?
Any way I have a couple questions about the frames. My serve and volleys are my weapons and I also have a big forehand and consistent backhand, I love to flatten both out. I was looking at these and from reading your reviews I'm guessing that the red 99, black 94, black 99, and dark red 94 are the ones to try out (If I'm only allowed to try four at a time from TW)?
2. Would I be eligible for a sponsorship from the company, I start singles and mixed doubles on my DI college club team (World Team Tennis rules) as a freshman, the only male freshman to start at those positions in my section. I could have played varsity but I was hurt at the beginning of the year and my class schedule conflicted with practice so I couldn't play for that reason either. I was ranked top 50 in my section in U18s and went 34-1 in singles in high school over four years. Just wondering if you knew this since 250 a racquet is kind of steep for me right now. I do plan on playing varsity next year if that helps.
Blue 99 I have settled on and love it- although after warm ups and on my first service in the match the plastic cover on the 5g butt cap came flying off- this happened to the regular version when i demo'd- not sure why Donnay didn't make all butt caps like the 10g one which is solid and think the all black is awesome.
i took the plastic off all of my caps when i got them. i prefer the look without them. not sure why they are even on the caps honestly.
Advice regarding string setup for X-Black 94
I would appreciate the board's recommendations for a good string set-up for a Donnay X-Black 94 that would make it play less mushy (it could just be old strings) or reduce the effects of the flexibility.
I have been using an X-Red 99 for a few months and I'm happy with it 90% of the time. I've tried numerous string set ups and find a full bed of Pro Line II @ 52 lbs works best with the 5g buttcap and no side weights. The 10% of the time I don't like the racquet is against 4.5-5.0 players who hit extremely heavy topsin on every shot (I live in Miami and we have a lot of S Americans who try to emulate Nadal) and I think more weight overall would help some.
A friend has an X-Black 94 he wants to trade but it seemed extremely low powered and flexible in comparison. The racquet has the original Donnay poly strings and they are very loose so it's possible the strings are just shot. I have hit with the Dark Red and it seems less flexible even though it has the same stiffness rating. I would like to use Pro Line II in it but I think a crisper string would make a big difference in this racquet. I'm open to using a multi too as NXT Control works well in the Red. Also, the Black frame has a suggested tension 5 lbs lower than the Red frame so your tension recommendations are appreciated as well. Thanks, Dak
Sent you another email.
is it really necessary to post on here that you sent someone and email??
A. don't you think they will find this out
B. why are you telling the whole world?
I'm just letting him know since:
A. His phone broke
B. He hasn't responded since
Hit with the Orange-99, and my forehand felt like God had touched it. I could place it on a dime (not literally, but very close) and would hit whatever spin I wanted. My backhand was better than with my normal racquet and even when I made a mistake the ball was going in the direction I wanted. Serve was hard to get used to, but I see a large potential for improvement, and after a few serves I was serving beautifully. I haven't done volleys yet, though
I'll demo more on monday
Manus glad to hear you are enjoying the benefits of the new Donnay line. What frame / frames do you normally play with? I have had a lot of players switch over to the orange lately, lots of them babolat players.
yea man def. try a little stiffer string in the black. i have found that i like luxilon adrenaline rough in the black. ive also upped the tension a bit with pro line II and found it worked well too. maybe silverstring?
I tried the white with kgut 17@60 lbs, took to much life out of the racket And was uncomfortable. So i tried a string job that is close to the original. I put in 17 g. lux. adrenaline @52lbs. with prince premier lt 16 g. @55 lbs. in the x's. This set up played excellent, i dont think it could get much better. Everything improved from when i played last night with the k gut. This made the racket better than anything i have ever used.
I will still experiment a little but follow the same order, poly main with a multi x's. I just want to get the most arm friendly set up. That is my main worry can i get away with using the poly main. Unfortunately i have not found a multi set up that will play like the hybrid. Still need to try the wilson nxt control which i hear is a good string.
Also I gave the red 99 a try again this is a nice racket. It came with a full multi set up that was not very good. So i put a multi main with rip control x's to help the control. This set up played very nice, very comfy. feel, very good control.
This racket was close to the white with more comfort, if the white does not work out i may go to this racket. It has a little more weight but swings fast, more buttery feel. So back to experimenting to decide on which stick to purchase.
I received the first of 4 Donay rackets I've ordered today. Bought a used Black 99 from a forum member for a great price. I have 1 more Black 99 otw that I actually ordered directly from Donnay. The other 2 I have coming are both new Red 94+ from 2 different members, both for very goo prices.
My intentions are to try and use the Black 99's for doubles and the Red 94+'s for singles. I'll see how that goes.
I'm not sure what string or tension was in the racket, so I had it restrung with VS NG mains and Gamma LW crosses @ 52 lbs. before I hit the court. I wasn't sure what tension to use since the recommended range is a little less with these than my normal racket.
I played singles for about 2 hrs. this afternoon. I was unsure, but hopeful of all the hype with these rackets since I had bought 4. I have to say, I came away very impressed. I alternated between the 5 gr. & 10 gr. cap to see which I thought worked best for me. The 10 gr. created the most stability. I assumed with the 10 that the racket would feel more maneuverable, because it should increase the HL balance. I actually assumed wrong. The racket felt more maneuverable with the 5 and only slightly less stable. I will continue to experiment, but for now, I prefer the 5.
I have played Wilson K Factor rackets for a few years now and I have really enjoyed them, but I needed a little more help for doubles. My current racket is the K Blade Tour, but for awhile I went back and forth between it and the 6.1 Tour 90, until I finally accepted the fact that it was too demanding. I loved the plow through and feel slightly more than the K Blade however.
With the Donnay, I get a very similar plow through with even better feel and I can manage it much easier.
I will post again later once I have more hours with it and also the Red's, but for now, I'm very impressed.
Babolat, you caught me lol
Babolat Drive Z-105. I'm also looking at more Donnays. My school's coach is sponsored by them and has a pro shop, so he can bring in Donnays for us to demo during practice and if we like them, we can buy them at a discount as high school students, like most pro shops do.
Thanks for the string recommendations Kal-El. One last question though. The Black has a recommended tension that's 5lbs less than the Red. If I like the Red at 52lbs should I string the Black at 47lbs? Before switching to Donnay, I typically strung my racquets closer to 60lbs but the Donnays do seem to perform better at the lower tension. I just can't imagine playing with a racquet strung in the 40s. Thanks, Dak.
yea same here man. i strung my prestiges at upper 50's low 60's. i like the black right around 52.
I played 2 hours this morning with my Black. Strung at 55 with lux savage white. Had good action on my serves and still had decent control. Was able to hit a lot of passing shots on my net rushing buddy lol. I really, really like both my Red and Black 99s. Is there a new Donnay line on the way?
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