New Graphene Radicals/Prestiges for 2014

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Ok..so dont pull as hard as leather basically?
Hard to explain, but you'll see. Just pull it slightly tighter than "normal" so it stretches a little. If you just wrap it as you normally would a synthetic grip, it will come out a little thicker than usual.
Don't overdo it though, because you can always rewrap it a little tighter if the first try is too thick feeling. But with the very sticky backing, you would like to get it right the first time, but it's not at
all impossible to redo.
 

Dgdavid

Professional
So, everyone suddenly on the Speed MP? I am lost in the wilderness after my G. Rad Pro didn't work out. Got a G.Instinct MP (not bad actually but 70 RA). Thinking about G.Speed MP now too. Is it more solid/stable than the IG Speed 300? SW seems 15pts higher.
 

dje31

Professional
At the risk of repeating myself, it seems like the Speed has morphed into what the Radical was pre-Graphene...and the Graphene Radicals are becoming Babolat-y.

Which is weirder still, since Head already has a Babolat-y line in the Extreme, and the Instinct has also morphed in that direction as well.

Anyone else think they have too many product lines with too much overlap? Three of which are Bab clones in some form or fashion, particularly the Drives and Aeros.
 
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Dimcorner

Professional
The GRad MP should be plenty sufficiently stable against 3.0-4.0 players.
Perhaps this 4.0 you played was forcing you to be late or misshit a lot? No racquet will help that. I found the GRad MP very solid and stable feeling, but you do need a certain level of competance to hit in the smallish sweetspot. All the lead in the world can't help you do that. I would suggest a more user friendly racquet like the Graphene Radical S.
Yeah I agree about my lack of skill, but I started hitting better against him with the ADP and Pure Drive for some reason. Don't get me wrong he was still killing me, but I was getting more shots back at him :)
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
So, everyone suddenly on the Speed MP? I am lost in the wilderness after my G. Rad Pro didn't work out. Got a G.Instinct MP (not bad actually but 70 RA). Thinking about G.Speed MP now too. Is it more solid/stable than the IG Speed 300? SW seems 15pts higher.
without a doubt - yes.

IG Speed 300 was one of the flimsiest feeling racquets I ever tried
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
At the risk of repeating myself, it seems like the Speed has morphed into what the Radical was pre-Graphene...and the Graphene Radicals are becoming Babolat-y.

Which is weirder still, since Head already has a Babolat-y line in the Extreme, and the Instinct has also morphed in that direction as well.

Anyone else think they have too many product lines with too much overlap? Three of which are Bab clones in some form or fashion, particularly the Drives and Aeros.
I agree 100%. The Extreme, Instinct, Speed and now Radical lines are definitely overlapping. The Extreme used to be the only Bab-like racquet. Then the Instinct became a stiff tweener and now the Radicals. Strange indeed.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Thanks Jack. Have you decided on Speed over Rad now or still going between them?
Yes, the Speed MP edged out the Rad in a close race. Only other
racquets I want to look into at the moment are the Formula 100,
the new AI Ezone 98 & 98 Lite and revisiting the London. I will pick
one and go with it for the next season (starting Jan 1).
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Yeah I agree about my lack of skill, but I started hitting better against him with the ADP and Pure Drive for some reason. Don't get me wrong he was still killing me, but I was getting more shots back at him :)
That makes total sense. The sweetspots on the ADP & Pure Drive are HUGE compared to the Rad MP. They also both have lots more "free power".
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
At the risk of repeating myself, it seems like the Speed has morphed into what the Radical was pre-Graphene...and the Graphene Radicals are becoming Babolat-y.

Which is weirder still, since Head already has a Babolat-y line in the Extreme, and the Instinct has also morphed in that direction as well.

Anyone else think they have too many product lines with too much overlap? Three of which are Bab clones in some form or fashion, particularly the Drives and Aeros.
Yeah, the Speed MP is more like an APD and the extreme is more like a PD to me. I didn't dig the Extreme that much, but the Speed is money. I actually consider the Speed a little more like an APD than a Radical because it's an easier to stick to use and plays even more modern (bigger spin, sweetspot and easier power)

I think the appeal of the Speed MP to me is that is it's own racquet. It takes a little from the APD, a little from the other Head lines, but it's not a copy. To me, that is where Head always shined. The Prestige and Radical were pretty unique in that aspect, but now it seems like Speed (probably due to djokovic) is the big seller, and Head decided the Prestige and Radical was becoming more outdated and needed some kind of update. Just a guess.

But I do think that if you like the APD, but wish it was softer and played more like the original APD (which was softer and a little lower powered), than the MP is a must demo.
 

Dberger820

Rookie
I really enjoy everything the new G Radical MP offers. My one caveat is I do find it to lack a some stability at the baseline. I'm seeing some people speaking up about having hit with the new Babolat Pure Strike. In my head I'm imagine these two rackets being very similar. Has anyone had the chance to hit with the new Pure Strike and be able to compare to the new G Rap MP?

The Rad is the closest thing I've found to the 2013 APD I loved so much, but my wrist did not.
 

dje31

Professional
But I do think that if you like the APD, but wish it was softer and played more like the original APD (which was softer and a little lower powered), than the MP is a must demo.
Actually, the only Babolat I've liked was the swirly Pure Control, but couldn't take the stiffness. Will try the new version and the Strike at some point, if only out of curiosity.

Truth be known, I'm one of those few, rare, odd ducks that actually likes the YTIG Prestige S. The G Speed Rev wasn't bad, with similar stiffness, but it needed a lot of weight...less demanding than the Prestige S.

Felt no love for any of the previous Speeds.

FWIW, I'm also one of the throwbacks using traditional strokes (pressuring, hitting through the ball instead of brushing). Probably why the Prestige S works for me. Modern strokes are useless with it...but I find plenty of power hitting through the ball off both wings, unlike most of its detractors.
 
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Marshredder

Semi-Pro
Why have the made Prestige Pro beam wider and reduced the weight by 10g? The thing I love about this stick is that its rare in the fact that it fits a spec thats not really accounted for... 325-340g, 98cm, 16x19 etc. What are the alternates now they've made it lighter? I can never be bothered with lead tape.
 

ultradr

Legend
I demoed the Grapheme Prestige MP. I am a big fan of the IG Prestige Mid, and I didn't like the Grapheme MP. The weight distribution in the racket was not to my liking and I sprayed balls while having less power than the IG. The new racket lacks the IG's plow-through. The feel when I hit in the sweet spot was pretty good with the new one, but that was the only real positive I thought.
Graphene Prestige MP has less power than IG Prestige Mid ?
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Actually, the only Babolat I've liked was the swirly Pure Control, but couldn't take the stiffness. Will try the new version and the Strike at some point, if only out of curiosity.

Truth be known, I'm one of those few, rare, odd ducks that actually likes the YTIG Prestige S. The G Speed Rev wasn't bad, with similar stiffness, but it needed a lot of weight...less demanding than the Prestige S.

Felt no love for any of the previous Speeds.

FWIW, I'm also one of the throwbacks using traditional strokes (pressuring, hitting through the ball instead of brushing). Probably why the Prestige S works for me. Modern strokes are useless with it...but I find plenty of power hitting through the ball off both wings, unlike most of its detractors.
Yeah, I use extreme SW, high racquet head speed, lots of spin, 2 hbh. I do like to hit through the ball as well, so I like a stick that can do both. But I still have some good loop on my more driven, flat shots. Now and then I get the right ball and hit completely flat and hard. I have always varied the spins I give somebody so they can't get in a groove against me. The Speed has been a dream for this style.
 

Tyler91

Rookie
A little OT...does anyone know if there will be a new bag also when the new Prestiges come out in January?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Given the discounting I'd suggest too few people bought it. It is a racquet that only lasted six years in its current form.



Why have the made Prestige Pro beam wider and reduced the weight by 10g? The thing I love about this stick is that its rare in the fact that it fits a spec thats not really accounted for... 325-340g, 98cm, 16x19 etc. What are the alternates now they've made it lighter? I can never be bothered with lead tape.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Given the discounting I'd suggest too few people bought it. It is a racquet that only lasted six years in its current form.
All IG Prestige are being discounted. The new Graphene Prestige line will hit the shelves in a matter of weeks. That is the reason for discounting. They simply decided to go with a heavier Prestige S for the Prestige Pro. Which I think is a huge mistake. What people want is simply a 16x19 drill pattern of the Prestige MP not a wider stiffer model.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Compared to the mp, the pro in all its iterations seemed to go on sale earlier and longer whereas the mp sometimes simply sold out.

This might be due to where I live or may depend on how many Head actually makes, but it didn't and doesn't appear to be nearly as popular as the mp.

So I was not surprised to hear that they had lowered the weight by ten grams, but yes they could have just offered the same mp spec in a different drill pattern.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Compared to the mp, the pro in all its iterations seemed to go on sale earlier and longer whereas the mp sometimes simply sold out.

This might be due to where I live or may depend on how many Head actually makes, but it didn't and doesn't appear to be nearly as popular as the mp.

So I was not surprised to hear that they had lowered the weight by ten grams, but yes they could have just offered the same mp spec in a different drill pattern.
They did not just lower the weight by 10g. They now use the Prestige S mold. Its a completely different racquet now. Its also wider.:shock:
 

APG

Rookie
Very disappointing to hear about where head has gone with the prestige. I have been playing with them for years, although recently playing with a volkl. I still have a pro tour 630 & 280.
Yesterday in fact I played with my Microgel Prestiges
Mp and still enjoy that flexible solid stick, that Prestiges are known for.
I have the IG mp but prefer the Microgels as I think they are closer to the pro tours. I can only hope in two years Head will understand that those who play with the Prestige want something closely related to the pro tours.
 

ultradr

Legend
Very disappointing to hear about where head has gone with the prestige.
which direction regarding prestige mp you mentioned?

I went thru most of thread regarding graphene prestige mp and not clear what changes they made.
It looks like graphene prestige mp does not change much from IG except that weight polarization? (and the flex near throat area due to polarization maybe?).
 

Torres

Banned
So, everyone suddenly on the Speed MP? I am lost in the wilderness after my G. Rad Pro didn't work out. Got a G.Instinct MP (not bad actually but 70 RA). Thinking about G.Speed MP now too.
That's just a couple of people hyping and honeymooning. It's a fun stick, easy to play with, big open pattern etc, but it needs lead all over the place to add stability and plow, by which time, its not really a Speed MP anymore.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Plays like the speed mp to me still. I added lead in the hoop to get it more how i like it, but the characteristic of the racquet is still the same.
 

APG

Rookie
which direction regarding prestige mp you mentioned?

I went thru most of thread regarding graphene prestige mp and not clear what changes they made.
It looks like graphene prestige mp does not change much from IG except that weight polarization? (and the flex near throat area due to polarization maybe?).
I had the impression that the prestige mp went lighter and stiffer.
 
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Dberger820

Rookie
The speed mp and radical mp play pretty similar. Biggest differences I see are speed has more spin and radical has more control. Both fun, whippy sticks!
 

Kal-El 34

Hall of Fame
I have always been a huge Head fan. However, I think the new Graphene line is where they lose a lot of their fan base. They tried to go more user friendly, and in my opinion, is a swing and a miss

the radical line has lost its heritage. It feels WAY too stiff, tinny, and unstable. My elbow hurt just feeding balls with it. Did not care for it at all around the net. Good power from the baseline, but felt a supreme lack of feel... not worth it IMP. Do not like no 18x20 offering, and the fact you have to cap it just to get it to its normal weight.

the prestige MP plays more like a radical of the past. However, it too feels tinny in my opinion. I was hoping from what i read that this frame would be a poor man's PT57A, and they whiffed here as well. VERY small sweet spot, and the vibration on mis-hits is crazy.

Don't even get me started on the Rev Pro. It doesn't even deserve to carry the prestige name.

Actually - the radical rev was my favorite out of the entire line haha. a little too head heavy in stock form, but performed the best overall from my brief hit with it. A few of my junior players really like this frame.

my brother plays the IG limited Prestige MP, and he tried the new ones as well.... he will not be making the switch
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
I have always been a huge Head fan. However, I think the new Graphene line is where they lose a lot of their fan base. They tried to go more user friendly, and in my opinion, is a swing and a miss

the radical line has lost its heritage. It feels WAY too stiff, tinny, and unstable. My elbow hurt just feeding balls with it. Did not care for it at all around the net. Good power from the baseline, but felt a supreme lack of feel... not worth it IMP. Do not like no 18x20 offering, and the fact you have to cap it just to get it to its normal weight.

the prestige MP plays more like a radical of the past. However, it too feels tinny in my opinion. I was hoping from what i read that this frame would be a poor man's PT57A, and they whiffed here as well. VERY small sweet spot, and the vibration on mis-hits is crazy.

Don't even get me started on the Rev Pro. It doesn't even deserve to carry the prestige name.

Actually - the radical rev was my favorite out of the entire line haha. a little too head heavy in stock form, but performed the best overall from my brief hit with it. A few of my junior players really like this frame.

my brother plays the IG limited Prestige MP, and he tried the new ones as well.... he will not be making the switch
Spot on assessment. I so wanted to like the Graphene Prestige MP too. :(
 

iceman_dl6

Semi-Pro
vsbabolat, I certainly agree with you, I tried the new Gr Rad Pro, I too felt it was too stiff. The IG line was way better
 

Kal-El 34

Hall of Fame
Spot on assessment. I so wanted to like the Graphene Prestige MP too. :(
such a bummer. if it aint broke, don't fix it. Why make the radical wider beamed? I don't like they took their players rackets and made them lighter. Even though they claim the swingweight may be the same, it isn't.

I really wanted to like the prestige MP. I thought it may be what I was looking for. Not even close. The shock with all of the new frames on anything off center is crazy, and the sweet spot is so small. I am one of the few I think that likes the cosmetics, but that's not enough. The IG line overall I feel is better. I have thought so even with the Speed and Instinct lines as well. I was hoping for a lot more with the new line and they fell way short.
 

maxpotapov

Hall of Fame
such a bummer. if it aint broke, don't fix it. Why make the radical wider beamed? I don't like they took their players rackets and made them lighter. Even though they claim the swingweight may be the same, it isn't.

I really wanted to like the prestige MP. I thought it may be what I was looking for. Not even close. The shock with all of the new frames on anything off center is crazy, and the sweet spot is so small. I am one of the few I think that likes the cosmetics, but that's not enough. The IG line overall I feel is better. I have thought so even with the Speed and Instinct lines as well. I was hoping for a lot more with the new line and they fell way short.
I think lighter is cheaper to produce and transport. Better margins is good for business.
Added stiffness compensates for lack of mass, and the product line overall is presented as more user friendly. And then they launch customization service to charge premium for what otherwise would be a normal player's racquet.
Selling air is the most profitable business, so this is what those new racquets are mostly made of.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
such a bummer. if it aint broke, don't fix it. Why make the radical wider beamed? I don't like they took their players rackets and made them lighter. Even though they claim the swingweight may be the same, it isn't.

I really wanted to like the prestige MP. I thought it may be what I was looking for. Not even close. The shock with all of the new frames on anything off center is crazy, and the sweet spot is so small. I am one of the few I think that likes the cosmetics, but that's not enough. The IG line overall I feel is better. I have thought so even with the Speed and Instinct lines as well. I was hoping for a lot more with the new line and they fell way short.
I don't think they have the right people play testing these racquets and giving the racquet designers the right feedback.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Babalot and Wilson are outselling Head by a wide margin and this was a desperation move by Head. Everyone is trying to get a piece of the stiff 11 oz, 100" powerful racquet pie.
 

iceman_dl6

Semi-Pro
Babalot and Wilson are outselling Head by a wide margin and this was a desperation move by Head. Everyone is trying to get a piece of the stiff 11 oz, 100" powerful racquet pie.
Good point. Being a user of the Head IG PMP which I like a lot for almost a couple of years now, I am quite amazed with the new Pure Strike line from Babolat (comes from a guy that dislikes Babolats). Now that is a company which is going to the right direction and taking note of what the player (consumer) wants.
 

suppawat

Semi-Pro
I have always been a huge Head fan. However, I think the new Graphene line is where they lose a lot of their fan base. They tried to go more user friendly, and in my opinion, is a swing and a miss

the radical line has lost its heritage. It feels WAY too stiff, tinny, and unstable. My elbow hurt just feeding balls with it. Did not care for it at all around the net. Good power from the baseline, but felt a supreme lack of feel... not worth it IMP. Do not like no 18x20 offering, and the fact you have to cap it just to get it to its normal weight.

the prestige MP plays more like a radical of the past. However, it too feels tinny in my opinion. I was hoping from what i read that this frame would be a poor man's PT57A, and they whiffed here as well. VERY small sweet spot, and the vibration on mis-hits is crazy.

Don't even get me started on the Rev Pro. It doesn't even deserve to carry the prestige name.

Actually - the radical rev was my favorite out of the entire line haha. a little too head heavy in stock form, but performed the best overall from my brief hit with it. A few of my junior players really like this frame.

my brother plays the IG limited Prestige MP, and he tried the new ones as well.... he will not be making the switch
I just played both G-Radical Pro and G-Prestige Rev Pro. I agree with you that they are not Radical and Prestige that we know for long time. No more solid thick feel. It's becoming more modern, and actually I like both of them. Part of that is because of my older age so I need something easy to play on daily basis. I strung both frames with Weisscannon Dual Reality.

The G-Radical Pro plays like AeroPro Drive or Pure Drive with much better control and feel. Power distribution in sweet spot is not like other racquets. Normally most racquets produce most power in sweet spot and drop it outside sweet spot. For G-Radical Pro, I can feel extra control in sweet spot. Outside sweet spot towards the tip of racquet, I've got extra power. This is quite strange, but I like it.

For the G-Prestige Rev Pro, I took risk in buying the racquet with weird spec but I don't regret with my decision. Actually I fell in love with this frame after 2 hours of hitting. The G-Prestige Rev Pro is actually 95-96 sq.in so it's clearly bigger than Prestige Mid (longer main strings). Even though it weighs only 300g unstrung, the G-Prestige Rev Pro offers decent power and good enough plow-thru. Stability is just ok. I'd not add any more lead tape on it. On groundstroke, it plays like mid-plus racquets but head speed acceleration can be done way easier. My one-handed backhand seems to have control issue with this racquet, but I will take some time to adjust.



 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Babalot and Wilson are outselling Head by a wide margin and this was a desperation move by Head. Everyone is trying to get a piece of the stiff 11 oz, 100" powerful racquet pie.
What info are you basing this on? Your thinking is very flawed. None of the racquets we are talking about is 100" or were positioned as power racquets. The HEAD 100" power racquets are the Instinct and the Extreme. Those went up against the Pure Drive and AeroPro Drive. As far as Wilson goes their 100" power racquets are the Juice and the Steam. HEAD competes with those Wilson Models with the Speed, Instinct, and Extreme.
The Prestige is still not in this category and neither was the Radical.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
I just played both G-Radical Pro and G-Prestige Rev Pro. I agree with you that they are not Radical and Prestige that we know for long time. No more solid thick feel. It's becoming more modern, and actually I like both of them. Part of that is because of my older age so I need something easy to play on daily basis. I strung both frames with Weisscannon Dual Reality.

The G-Radical Pro plays like AeroPro Drive or Pure Drive with much better control and feel. Power distribution in sweet spot is not like other racquets. Normally most racquets produce most power in sweet spot and drop it outside sweet spot. For G-Radical Pro, I can feel extra control in sweet spot. Outside sweet spot towards the tip of racquet, I've got extra power. This is quite strange, but I like it.

For the G-Prestige Rev Pro, I took risk in buying the racquet with weird spec but I don't regret with my decision. Actually I fell in love with this frame after 2 hours of hitting. The G-Prestige Rev Pro is actually 95-96 sq.in so it's clearly bigger than Prestige Mid (longer main strings). Even though it weighs only 300g unstrung, the G-Prestige Rev Pro offers decent power and good enough plow-thru. Stability is just ok. I'd not add any more lead tape on it. On groundstroke, it plays like mid-plus racquets but head speed acceleration can be done way easier. My one-handed backhand seems to have control issue with this racquet, but I will take some time to adjust.



The G Prestige Rev Pro is a true 93, while the Prestige Mid was a true 90, The G Prestige MP is a true 95, and the G Radical MP/Pro is now a true 98.
The feel, vibration, and noise the G Prestige Rev Pro is awful.
 

Dasol

Rookie
I also playtested the Graphene Radical Pro, and I liked it too.

A super easy to play frame and the sweet spot felt just HUGE! Since I have not played the previous versions of the Radical Pro, I do not know how stiffer this version became. With multi string in it, it did not feel that stiff and I think as a players' racquet, the Radical Pro is very powerful.

I just played both G-Radical Pro and G-Prestige Rev Pro. I agree with you that they are not Radical and Prestige that we know for long time. No more solid thick feel. It's becoming more modern, and actually I like both of them. Part of that is because of my older age so I need something easy to play on daily basis. I strung both frames with Weisscannon Dual Reality.

The G-Radical Pro plays like AeroPro Drive or Pure Drive with much better control and feel. Power distribution in sweet spot is not like other racquets. Normally most racquets produce most power in sweet spot and drop it outside sweet spot. For G-Radical Pro, I can feel extra control in sweet spot. Outside sweet spot towards the tip of racquet, I've got extra power. This is quite strange, but I like it.

For the G-Prestige Rev Pro, I took risk in buying the racquet with weird spec but I don't regret with my decision. Actually I fell in love with this frame after 2 hours of hitting. The G-Prestige Rev Pro is actually 95-96 sq.in so it's clearly bigger than Prestige Mid (longer main strings). Even though it weighs only 300g unstrung, the G-Prestige Rev Pro offers decent power and good enough plow-thru. Stability is just ok. I'd not add any more lead tape on it. On groundstroke, it plays like mid-plus racquets but head speed acceleration can be done way easier. My one-handed backhand seems to have control issue with this racquet, but I will take some time to adjust.



 

reds17

Rookie
I also playtested the Graphene Radical Pro, and I liked it too.

A super easy to play frame and the sweet spot felt just HUGE! Since I have not played the previous versions of the Radical Pro, I do not know how stiffer this version became. With multi string in it, it did not feel that stiff and I think as a players' racquet, the Radical Pro is very powerful.
As another fellow rookie...who hadn't any previous experience with earlier generation Radical Pros, I share your sentiment. I have Volkl Cyclone strung at 52, and do not have issues with the stiffness either, although I'll acknowledge it is definitely a firm racquet compared to my old primary (BLX 6.1 95 16x18 2012 version). I'm loving it so far though, finding it to be a very playable racquet.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
What info are you basing this on? Your thinking is very flawed. None of the racquets we are talking about is 100" or were positioned as power racquets. The HEAD 100" power racquets are the Instinct and the Extreme. Those went up against the Pure Drive and AeroPro Drive. As far as Wilson goes their 100" power racquets are the Juice and the Steam. HEAD competes with those Wilson Models with the Speed, Instinct, and Extreme.
The Prestige is still not in this category and neither was the Radical.
The extreme and the instinct are lessor known Head lines. The radical is a very well-known model and that is why I believe they have stiffened it up to compete with the Babalots. How else do you explain this departure from the flexy radicals of old?
 

Matchball

Semi-Pro
Good point. Being a user of the Head IG PMP which I like a lot for almost a couple of years now, I am quite amazed with the new Pure Strike line from Babolat (comes from a guy that dislikes Babolats). Now that is a company which is going to the right direction and taking note of what the player (consumer) wants.
I was studying the specs on paper for both the Pure Control and the Strikes; although I have not playtested them yet, it certainly feels like they are heading to the right direction and their line is now very complete, with clear-cut segments.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
The extreme and the instinct are lessor known Head lines. The radical is a very well-known model and that is why I believe they have stiffened it up to compete with the Babalots. How else do you explain this departure from the flexy radicals of old?
There was a reason why the Radical was so well known. The new Radical will not be embraced by current users. In fact it alienates them. It now feels stiffer than the Pure Control or Pure Storm.
 
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