New Phantom Pro (18x20) (320)

Hypergxtraspin

New User
Hit with the Phantom tonight, mix of decent level singles and dubs.

The Phantom is definitely more comfy than the PK (as I expected), and that's with Prince synth gut rather than the Velocity I have in the PKs.

Phantom has better feel, looks better (it's a beautiful frame) and a little better touch on volleys. Feels a bit quicker through the air than the PK so I felt as though spin came a little easier and less tiring after nearly 4 hours of playing.

The PK has the edge on put away power, stability and plow through. I think a smidge of lead at 10 and 2 on the Phantom would probably fix that though.

Control very similar, maybe slightly better with the Phantom.

I've ordered two :)

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Just throw a prince leather grip on, and you are set. I play with this phantom and love it. Most comfortable frame I've ever hit with and allows me to serve big without injury
 

Hypergxtraspin

New User
Couple grams at the tip. Nothing too crazy. I really like the balance stock so I didn’t want to screw that up too much. But I like my SW nearer 335.

And the nasty drop volley with this frame is addictive.
First thing I noticed in tourney match play, drop shots from all over the court are so nice
 

Tao69

Rookie
Just throw a prince leather grip on, and you are set. I play with this phantom and love it. Most comfortable frame I've ever hit with and allows me to serve big without injury
See now I’m more curious, it’s in my bag with a Leather grip unstrung, but I’m really enjoying the 93P 18x20 and don’t want to be in two minds over my racquet. I figure I keep this one for when I just can’t keep up with the 93P anymore and I’ll welcome the extra comfort and forgiveness.
 

t_pac

Rookie
Supplier only had 1 in stock so 2nd will arrive in a week or so. Not much wrong with the QC on this one :)



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Balaji_R

Rookie
Supplier only had 1 in stock so 2nd will arrive in a week or so. Not much wrong with the QC on this one :)



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Looking nice. How do you compare this one with Textreme tour 95 with regards to plow, heft, control, arm comfort, power, stability and manuverability.
 
I recently transitioned from a Yonex DR98 to the Phantom Pro 100P (18x20). I love the comfortable feel and stability of the DR98, but I enjoy the precision and versatility of the Phantom Pro 18x20 just a little bit more. The Prince swings through the air pretty fast but gives you very little free power, you need to commit(move your feet) to your shots to get the most from this frame. I play mine strung with Babolat VS 16 (full gut) at 54lbs. If you are a Poly player you might consider stringing it much lower, the gut can only be tamed at higher tensions and after the initial few lbs drop in tension, play consistently until it snaps. I am not a string breaker, and the tightness of the 18x20 string pattern means I can rotate two rackets comfortably between restrings and breakages, etc ( I play mostly doubles). I also added 1gram of lead to the hoop (12 o'clock) to provide a little more plow through for my two-handed backhand, I felt the racket needs a little bit of lead in the hoop to liven up the 18x20 string pattern. It is very comfortable, especially with the gut, some might find it noodly but adding the weight reduces the flex in the tip of the frame just slightly, which is optimal for me. This is more of a purists racket, but definitely worth a demo if you are looking for an arm friendly, control oriented racket. In some ways, it is the closest a full gut player can get to the feel of a gut/poly hybrid.
 
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Supplier only had 1 in stock so 2nd will arrive in a week or so. Not much wrong with the QC on this one :)



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I will be curious to see how your second racket compares with regards to weight. I have 2 frames, and there is about a 2g difference between them.
 

Balaji_R

Rookie
I recently transitioned from a Yonex DR98 to the Phantom Pro 100P (18x20). I love the comfortable feel and stability of the DR98, but I enjoy the precision and versatility of the Phantom Pro 18x20 just a little bit more. The Prince swings through the air pretty fast but gives you very little free power, you need to commit(move your feet) to your shots to get the most from this frame. I play mine strung with Babolat VS 16 (full gut) at 54lbs. If you are a Poly player you might consider stringing it much lower, the gut can only be tamed at higher tensions and after the initial few lbs drop in tension, play consistently until it snaps. I am not a string breaker, and the tightness of the 18x20 string pattern means I can rotate two rackets comfortably between restrings and breakages, etc ( I play mostly doubles). I also added 1gram of lead to the hoop (12 o'clock) to provide a little more plow through for my two-handed backhand, I felt the racket needs a little bit of lead in the hoop to liven up the 18x20 string pattern. It is very comfortable, especially with the gut, some might find it noodly but adding the weight reduces the flex in the tip of the frame just slightly, which is optimal for me. This is more of a purists racket, but definitely worth a demo if you are looking for an arm friendly, control oriented racket. In some ways, it is the closest a full gut player can get to the feel of a gut/poly hybrid.
Superb review. Any idea how would this be playability wise compared to the other arm friendly frames in prokennex line like ki 5 320, q+ tour pro 325, 315 and Volkl c10 pro?
 

t_pac

Rookie
Played back to back doubles league matches tonight, Phantom was awesome.

Absolutely dominated the net - control is just amazing and touch volleys are a dream. Didn't miss a single overhead all night.

Loads of power and depth on my forehand, I'd say you need really solid technique and the right string setup but this thing is definitely not under-powered for me. Ditto for serve.

Comfort is so good I'm thinking I might be able to go back to my 1hbh (switched to 2hbh due to elbow problems but not even a twinge tonight).

Very happy :)



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Balaji_R

Rookie
Played back to back doubles league matches tonight, Phantom was awesome.

Absolutely dominated the net - control is just amazing and touch volleys are a dream. Didn't miss a single overhead all night.

Loads of power and depth on my forehand, I'd say you need really solid technique and the right string setup but this thing is definitely not under-powered for me. Ditto for serve.

Comfort is so good I'm thinking I might be able to go back to my 1hbh (switched to 2hbh due to elbow problems but not even a twinge tonight).

Very happy :)



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Great.
I always read that this is low powered and generating pace for first serve is an issue. What's your take on that?
By the way what string, gauge, tension did you use?
 
There is no free power, but if you take a decent swing at the ball you will get both depth and pace. At the end of the day, it is still a 100-inch head size with a generous sweet spot, power levels can easily be adjusted with string tension/configuration as well. The tighter string pattern certainly gives me the confidence to swing freely, it is more suited to attacking play than counterpunching and defense in my experience.
 
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Superb review. Any idea how would this be playability wise compared to the other arm friendly frames in prokennex line like ki 5 320, q+ tour pro 325, 315 and Volkl c10 pro?
I haven't played either of those two frames, but just for the sake of reference: The most arm friendly racket I have played is the DR98 with full gut, I had elbow issues in the past, and find staying away from poly keeps my arm and shoulder healthiest. I also quite enjoy flexier feeling frames, so in the interest of tennis longevity and enjoyment of the game, I lean towards softer configurations. The Phantom is a little crisper than the DR98, it certainly feels firmer, but with the added benefit of feeling more connected to the ball, that was probably my main reason for switching. All this being said I am also currently doing a demo of the Phantom 93P for comparison :)
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Just played first match of club championships mixed B doubles with the 100 18x20. I was on fire with the FH. Accurate, great depth and spin. Was pretty much the shot that won a tightly contested match.
Great doubles racquet for touch shots too. Had some real pretty half volleys.
I very much liked the fact that I only made 2 DFs and 2 errors on RoS for the whole match. Much easier to win that way.
 

Balaji_R

Rookie
There is no free power, but if you take a decent swing at the ball you will get both depth and pace. At the end of the day, it is still a 100-inch head size with a generous sweet spot, power levels can easily be adjusted with string tension/configuration as well. The tighter string pattern certainly gives me the confidence to swing freely, it is more suited to attacking play than counterpunching and defense in my experience.
Which string did you use. Also please let me know the gauge (thickness) and tension.
 

t_pac

Rookie
Great.
I always read that this is low powered and generating pace for first serve is an issue. What's your take on that?
By the way what string, gauge, tension did you use?
No issues on serve, plenty of pace for me. As long as you can get the frame moving well it should be fine.

Strung with full bed Head Velocity 16 (black), 50lbs mains and crosses.

Might try a differential next time but will keep it around 50lbs, so 51/49 or 52/48 probably.

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Balaji_R

Rookie
No issues on serve, plenty of pace for me. As long as you can get the frame moving well it should be fine.

Strung with full bed Head Velocity 16 (black), 50lbs mains and crosses.

Might try a differential next time but will keep it around 50lbs, so 51/49 or 52/48 probably.

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Nice. If some one has power issue then they can string it much lower isn't it as this is 18 20 and control will be there either way with that string pattern but yes it's a 100 and not 95 sq inch so it shouldn't open up the sweetspot too much , hehe.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
Great.
I always read that this is low powered and generating pace for first serve is an issue. What's your take on that?
By the way what string, gauge, tension did you use?
I’ve been using this frame for a few months. The weight and stability provide plenty of power on a full swing - lead at the tip and the right string setup help here too. But you won’t get anything on stabs and blocks so the racquet can be a challenge when you are stretched on defense. This is more of an issue for me in singles than doubles.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I’ve been using this frame for a few months. The weight and stability provide plenty of power on a full swing - lead at the tip and the right string setup help here too. But you won’t get anything on stabs and blocks so the racquet can be a challenge when you are stretched on defense. This is more of an issue for me in singles than doubles.
I pretty much use it as a doubles racquet only. I think that's its strength. Accuracy, low launch angle, touch and while it's not overpowering you can get plenty of pace and feel confident swinging out on returns and groundstrokes.
 

Balaji_R

Rookie
I’ve been using this frame for a few months. The weight and stability provide plenty of power on a full swing - lead at the tip and the right string setup help here too. But you won’t get anything on stabs and blocks so the racquet can be a challenge when you are stretched on defense. This is more of an issue for me in singles than doubles.
Guess prokennex ki 5 320 scores better than this one in defense and on the run department.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I’ve been using this frame for a few months. The weight and stability provide plenty of power on a full swing - lead at the tip and the right string setup help here too. But you won’t get anything on stabs and blocks so the racquet can be a challenge when you are stretched on defense. This is more of an issue for me in singles than doubles.
Just the tip.
 

t_pac

Rookie
Played some more with the Phantom, and comparing with my Q Tours.

Still give the edge on comfort to the Phantom, feel is much better and it volleys beautifully.

That said, the PKs serve better, much better on ROS and defence, easier power on groundies.

Definitely a more effective singles stick than the Phantom, and probably against better doubles players too.

The Phantom feel and touch is addictive though.

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Balaji_R

Rookie
Played some more with the Phantom, and comparing with my Q Tours.

Still give the edge on comfort to the Phantom, feel is much better and it volleys beautifully.

That said, the PKs serve better, much better on ROS and defence, easier power on groundies.

Definitely a more effective singles stick than the Phantom, and probably against better doubles players too.

The Phantom feel and touch is addictive though.

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What are the unique characteristics needed for singles and doubles from a racquet?
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
For Singles I want depth, spin, pace and control. For Doubles I want control, touch, low launch angle and stability.
Which Phantoms are you pairing with each style of play? I'm most interested in singles. I play with the original 93P for everything. I can get depth, control, and power if I have time to take a full stroke, but spin is the toughest part. I use full bed multi due to the 93P feeling stiff to me. I also don't like the feel of holding a western grip and prefer semi-western, so that also doesn't help. Otherwise I think the 93P is a superb stick. It's almost suits me perfectly.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
The 93p is my all rounder for everything. The 100 18x20 is my doubles specialist. My POG 107 is my singles specialist.

If I don’t need the forgiveness of the larger frames I’ll use the 93p. So competitive indoor tennis is generally where I use the 93p exclusively. In the elements my old eyes and reflexes like a bit bigger frame.
 

Balaji_R

Rookie
Which Phantoms are you pairing with each style of play? I'm most interested in singles. I play with the original 93P for everything. I can get depth, control, and power if I have time to take a full stroke, but spin is the toughest part. I use full bed multi due to the 93P feeling stiff to me. I also don't like the feel of holding a western grip and prefer semi-western, so that also doesn't help. Otherwise I think the 93P is a superb stick. It's almost suits me perfectly.
Is 93p stiff? 14 18 or 18 20?
I have PS95S which has a similar ultra wide open string pattern like 93P.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Is 93p stiff? 14 18 or 18 20?
I have PS95S which has a similar ultra wide open string pattern like 93P.
The 14x18 93P is stiffer than the 18x20 93P. I like the flex of the old school Head pro stock frames with mid 50s RA. That's why many 93P users say it's a soft or flexible racquet and I don't because I'm comparing it to pro stocks and they're probably comparing it to Babolats. In fact anything compared to Babolat would be considered soft.
 

Tao69

Rookie
Wow, that's interesting. Curious to know , why did you sell PS95S? Lack of control?
At the time it was the lack of stability and plough through owing to its lower swing weight, so against heavy hitters it was a challenge to hit anything more than a neutral ball back. It was also borderline in terms of stiffness for my elbow, so I strung it up with a gut/poly hybrid (I'm not a string breaker), but it wasn't optimised for the racquet's spin potential.

I'd say I prefer the 93P 14x18 over the PS95S, it has much more stability, a better dwell time and I prefer its feel. In terms of the size of the sweet spot, between the two there isn't a noticeable difference to me. The control is better in the PS95S from memory, the 14x18 has a higher launch angle and possibly more spin, without which you'd just be hitting long all day.
 

Balaji_R

Rookie
The 14x18 93P is stiffer than the 18x20 93P. I like the flex of the old school Head pro stock frames with mid 50s RA. That's why many 93P users say it's a soft or flexible racquet and I don't because I'm comparing it to pro stocks and they're probably comparing it to Babolats. In fact anything compared to Babolat would be considered soft.
That's interesting when you say the open string pattern 14 18 is more stiffer than the dense 18 20. Shouldn't it be the reverse as 14 18 will open up the string bed hence the softness and the dense string pattern 18 20 will have more strings at the contact point and more stiff.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I don’t play with the 93 now but when I had them, I strung them with Head Velocity 17 (low powered multi) and spin was very good.
 

Balaji_R

Rookie
At the time it was the lack of stability and plough through owing to its lower swing weight, so against heavy hitters it was a challenge to hit anything more than a neutral ball back. It was also borderline in terms of stiffness for my elbow, so I strung it up with a gut/poly hybrid (I'm not a string breaker), but it wasn't optimised for the racquet's spin potential.

I'd say I prefer the 93P 14x18 over the PS95S, it has much more stability, a better dwell time and I prefer its feel. In terms of the size of the sweet spot, between the two there isn't a noticeable difference to me. The control is better in the PS95S from memory, the 14x18 has a higher launch angle and possibly more spin, without which you'd just be hitting long all day.
I was hitting with a very good hard hitter yesterday with Prostaff 95S strung with 16g Volkl cyclone tour until it broke (snapping of 16 15 string is interesting, it snaps with a thud sound , lol). I did notice that the racquet has decent plow and stability but yes as everyone says it needs little weight ( never experimented with lead so far) at 3,9 o clock. Low power is not an issue as it's super manuverable and generates loads of spin thanks to it's 16 15 spin pattern. Control is an issue for sure hence it strung it at 62 but I think I can't go beyond that. Needless to say playing for three hours did sore my elbow.
My question is should move to 93P or stick with the same 95S. I don't want to switch to something that has less control, less comfort and less stability.
 
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hurworld

Hall of Fame
That's interesting when you say the open string pattern 14 18 is more stiffer than the dense 18 20. Shouldn't it be the reverse as 14 18 will open up the string bed hence the softness and the dense string pattern 18 20 will have more strings at the contact point and more stiff.
The unstrung stiffness of the 14x18 racquet is higher, while the 18x20 is lower. This stiffness difference is counter-balanced by the 14x18's open string pattern (hence softer string bed) and 18x20's denser string pattern (hence firmer string bed). Overall, they should have the similar comfort level, all else (string types, gauges, tensions, etc) being equal.
 

Tao69

Rookie
I was hitting with a very good hard hitter yesterday with Prostaff 95S strung with 16g Volkl cyclone tour until it broke (snapping of 16 15 string is interesting, it snaps with a thud sound , lol). I did notice that the racquet has decent plow and stability but yes as everyone says it needs little not too much weight at 3,9 o clock. Low power is not an issue as it's super manuverable and generates loads of spin thanks to it's 16 15 spin pattern. Control is an issue for sure hence it strung it at 62 but I think I can't go beyond that. Needless to say playing for three hours did sore my elbow.
My question is should move to 93P or stick with the same 95S. I don't want to switch to something that has less control, less comfort and less stability.
The 93P has more comfort and more stability, I suspect you could get better control then me with your string set up, mine is strung pretty low for (48/43lbs gut/poly). I sold my 95S as I knew I’d never use it again.
 

Balaji_R

Rookie
The 93P has more comfort and more stability, I suspect you could get better control then me with your string set up, mine is strung pretty low for (48/43lbs gut/poly). I sold my 95S as I knew I’d never use it again.
48 /43 for an ultra open string pattern ? Isn't it way too low as there might be loss of control. I usually string at 40 s for my 18 20 frames.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
That's interesting when you say the open string pattern 14 18 is more stiffer than the dense 18 20. Shouldn't it be the reverse as 14 18 will open up the string bed hence the softness and the dense string pattern 18 20 will have more strings at the contact point and more stiff.
On paper the new 93P is stiffer than the old 93P. The theory goes Prince upped the stiffness to offset the loss in ball feel of the more open string pattern. For me, since I think the original 93P is too stiff, I didn't even bother with the new one. Yes, the more open strong pattern negates the higher RA, but I already through the RA for the old 93P was too high. This is why the PP 100 18x20 interests me. It has a 55RA.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
On paper the new 93P is stiffer than the old 93P. The theory goes Prince upped the stiffness to offset the loss in ball feel of the more open string pattern. For me, since I think the original 93P is too stiff, I didn't even bother with the new one. Yes, the more open strong pattern negates the higher RA, but I already through the RA for the old 93P was too high. This is why the PP 100 18x20 interests me. It has a 55RA.
The 100 18x20 is more comfy than the 93P. Not quite as soft as the ported 100 but that's not surprising.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
But ported 100 will have very less control as it's 16 18 on a 100 sq inch isn't it.
Most certainly it has less control. You have to use it's solid spin production for control. But for flat shots and slices the 18x20s are far better.

But that's the fun of having different racquets. Some days you want spin and comfort. Some days you want a scalpel.
 

Balaji_R

Rookie
Most certainly it has less control. You have to use it's solid spin production for control. But for flat shots and slices the 18x20s are far better.

But that's the fun of having different racquets. Some days you want spin and comfort. Some days you want a scalpel.
Lol, true. Just that folks esp coaches at my academy view me as a weirdo when I start playing with different racquets on different days .
 

haqq777

Legend
I will say this: the Phantom 100 (the ports one) is one of the softest/plushest stick in the market at the moment and certainly plays that way too.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Lol, true. Just that folks esp coaches at my academy view me as a weirdo when I start playing with different racquets on different days .
I guess as someone that has played golf his whole life, I'm shocked at people that don't switch sticks for different reasons. I play an 18 hole golf round and use probably 13 or my 14 clubs, all of which have different swing weights, lengths and static weights. It boggles me that people can't play with a number of different racket frames.
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
I guess as someone that has played golf his whole life, I'm shocked at people that don't switch sticks for different reasons. I play an 18 hole golf round and use probably 13 or my 14 clubs, all of which have different swing weights, lengths and static weights. It boggles me that people can't play with a number of different racket frames.
Difference is you don't get a chance in tennis to switch sticks every single shot like in golf! Lol
 
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