NEW Prestige MP 360

polksio

Semi-Pro
A guy I play tennis with that uses Yonex described the sound of the PT57A as a racquet that has a vibration dampener but doesn’t. It’s not subjective that the PT57A has a a unique sound. What is subjective is the words one uses to describe that sound.
Its news to me people saying the TC95 or K Lime is a better option to the PT57A. I will say I was surprised and in shock when I hit with the Angell TC97 18x20 and how it even had the same sound off the string bed. I’ll go with my expertises thanks

Thanks for putting a spotlight how no one is saying that any new Graphene Prestige is anywhere close to the PT57A and the problem with what is going on with HEAD. The Prestige doesn’t feel like the Prestige. That there has been zero improvements in performance and the racquets actually play and feel worse.
You know how the best cartoons are the ones you watched when you were a kid, free, careless and happy? Yeah.
 

Alexh22

Professional
Somehow the nerd’s video sounds like he s sponsored or sth. These new prestige’s are materially different from the classics and I doubt they play with similar feel at all. head ruined this line a long time ago.
 

polksio

Semi-Pro
Somehow the nerd’s video sounds like he s sponsored or sth. These new prestige’s are materially different from the classics and I doubt they play with similar feel at all. head ruined this line a long time ago.
Hes not sponsored but he gets rackets for free and they might or might not continue sending him free stuff to test out dependant or independant of what he says about them. Its a grey area but its better than full blown shills or salesmen. I mean he has a ****load of rackets i dont think he would be very biased but again its sometimes not yet released free stuff that certainly give him style point and clout at his local clubs that he certainly need to compensate for his awkward service motion no im just kidding so im sure he doesnt mind the free stuff at all like none of us here would so yeah.
 
vsbabolat said:
A guy I play tennis with that uses Yonex described the sound of the PT57A as a racquet that has a vibration dampener but doesn’t.

I play the pro tour since it came out. Never used a dampener because the racquet does not need it. Simple.
Still today a get questions like "oh, you play without a dampener?":laughing:
 

Rocket54

New User
After reading the opinions of the racquet technicians and pro players on this thread i'm embarrassed to say i like the Prestige MP. I find it to be solid at contact and the low power allows me to hit through the ball with confidence. I used the Prestige Classic 600 in the late 90's and early 2000's so have some familiarity with Head. Maybe i'm just ignorant but i'm enjoying the new racquet.
 

Alex78

Hall of Fame
There’s s big difference in a Head and/or Wilson retail racquets vs what the pros use. Cmon man, common knowledge
... But you gotta give it to Howard, he's grasping what so many ppl here on tt complain about wrt Head's product strategy. And technically, he's correct in listing those molds ;)
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
And No. 1 tennis brand in Europe, top 3 tennis brand world wide.

I think the Head Marketing team should pay a few $$$ for the market report to get the latest updates and wake up...
I would be really surprised if they are really #1 in EU.

Also, being #3 brand out of 4 or 5 that dominate 95%+ of the market is nothing to brag about...
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
But there is only one new Prestige currently, TK345.
and all pros that we see with that paint are using either the 293 or PT57x under the PJ
I am sure that the actual TK345 was available to the Pros to test for at least 6-12 months already...including off season
We have seen rather quick switch to 344 for at least 3 pros (Zverev, Rublev and Barty) but nothing on the 345 side
 

Alexh22

Professional
I d take what the nerd says with a grain of salt cuz afterall he is sponsored by head to talk. He s a probably a great guy but his view cannot be taken literally sometimes.

People need to get their fact straight:head is no where near the no1tennis in anywhere in the world. Garbage in garbage out.
 

Daphantom99

New User
To be honest... I blame it on Babolat with their elbow killing, power, and light racquets. It made the game of 'MODERN' tennis matches boring to watch. I don't know about everyone else... I only watch the finals of the major tournaments because all the matches in between sucks. All these baseline 'PRO' players hitting, 25-30 hit rally mashing topspin doesn't appeal to me. Really no technique involved it's athletes running back and forth on the baseline and ball mashing.

It's not that Head is not listening.. they actually are if you think about it, they're chasing the Babolats stiff power arm killing racquet 'trend'. It's only a trend until it goes the back the other direction. You're starting to see that happen now even with Babalot releasing softer molds like the VS line, Wilson with their Clash. What makes everyone think Head just somehow forgot how to reproduce another more modern feeling PT57 or PT67 in the future. Head is just following I'm hoping a dying trend of powerful racquet and if the modern tennis game doesn't follow suit it's going to be very boring watching 30-40 ball rallies every game that last over 4 hours.
 

Daphantom99

New User
I think the Head Marketing team should pay a few $$$ for the market report to get the latest updates and wake up...
I would be really surprised if they are really #1 in EU.

Also, being #3 brand out of 4 or 5 that dominate 95%+ of the market is nothing to brag about...
I think it is with when the popularity of tennis is dropping and once the big 3 retires I think the casual tennis viewers will tune out as well after the 2 hour long first set. To be able to be a relevant brand is huge, besides Head can always survive with their other products.
 

Daphantom99

New User
I d take what the nerd says with a grain of salt cuz afterall he is sponsored by head to talk. He s a probably a great guy but his view cannot be taken literally sometimes.

People need to get their fact straight:head is no where near the no1tennis in anywhere in the world. Garbage in garbage out.
No disrespect Alex, but what do you play with and what is your skill level? Just want to understand if it's coming from a place of bias or reality... have you played with the new racquets to form the opinion?
 

Lavs

Hall of Fame
To be honest... I blame it on Babolat with their elbow killing, power, and light racquets. It made the game of 'MODERN' tennis matches boring to watch. I don't know about everyone else... I only watch the finals of the major tournaments because all the matches in between sucks. All these baseline 'PRO' players hitting, 25-30 hit rally mashing topspin doesn't appeal to me. Really no technique involved it's athletes running back and forth on the baseline and ball mashing.

It's not that Head is not listening.. they actually are if you think about it, they're chasing the Babolats stiff power arm killing racquet 'trend'. It's only a trend until it goes the back the other direction. You're starting to see that happen now even with Babalot releasing softer molds like the VS line, Wilson with their Clash. What makes everyone think Head just somehow forgot how to reproduce another more modern feeling PT57 or PT67 in the future. Head is just following I'm hoping a dying trend of powerful racquet and if the modern tennis game doesn't follow suit it's going to be very boring watching 30-40 ball rallies every game that last over 4 hours.
Say this to Rafa :)
 

TennisHound

Legend
No disrespect Alex, but what do you play with and what is your skill level? Just want to understand if it's coming from a place of bias or reality... have you played with the new racquets to form the opinion?
Can't speak for Alex, but we've all tried all Head's models since the Graphene intro in 2013. And they all have the weak throat, tinny feel, weight at the poles, instability, not easily modified.
 
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ChrisG

Professional
Because everyone here is a pro right? :-D Guess everyone should be using the PT113B , no doubt everyone will be the best in their league and break many records
It’s not about miraculously playing like Roger , it’s about enjoying our sport using the best tool available, being able to play safely to the best of my abilities. Currently most modern racquets hurt you and force you to play like a teenage headless chicken. What really bother me is that the quality is available (for pros) and they give us low quality racquets.
Imagine a car brand selling only the garbage models, and keeping the good ones for their brand ambassador. That’s where we are right now
 

Howard H

Rookie
It’s not about miraculously playing like Roger , it’s about enjoying our sport using the best tool available, being able to play safely to the best of my abilities. Currently most modern racquets hurt you and force you to play like a teenage headless chicken. What really bother me is that the quality is available (for pros) and they give us low quality racquets.
Imagine a car brand selling only the garbage models, and keeping the good ones for their brand ambassador. That’s where we are right now
HEAD TGT (proplayer) and TGK (market) are same layups. Only difference is TGTs get customized. HEAD PTs are used by just a minority of their pro players.
So it is not about quality, it is about ability.
 

Alexh22

Professional
No disrespect Alex, but what do you play with and what is your skill level? Just want to understand if it's coming from a place of bias or reality... have you played with the new racquets to form the opinion?
Non taken. The closest thing I play with is a beat up 2010 blade H22 and slim H19. NO head racquet will come even close. I demoed the prestige and radical mp and they are so unstable and raw that made me think :do they even test their own racquets before putting to production?
I have tried to reach out to head for selling me some pt113 radicals and I was willing to pay but they don’t give ****. Well. dosen’t matter to me I waste $0 on head products and will continue to do so. Plenty of fish in the pond eg rf97, and old apds.
 

Daphantom99

New User
Non taken. The closest thing I play with is a beat up 2010 blade H22 and slim H19. NO head racquet will come even close. I demoed the prestige and radical mp and they are so unstable and raw that made me think :do they even test their own racquets before putting to production?
I have tried to reach out to head for selling me some pt113 radicals and I was willing to pay but they don’t give ****. Well. dosen’t matter to me I waste $0 on head products and will continue to do so. Plenty of fish in the pond eg rf97, and old apds.
Was it the new 360+ Prestige that you demoed recently or the previous graphene models?
 

Rocket54

New User
No pro player would ever touch any of the new Prestige racquets, that should set a conclusion here.
Even retired one like Haas use a paintjob while promoting the new line haha.
Could i tap into your knowledge of the pro game and ask a question? Do any pro players use any brand's commercially available racquets? Even challenger level pros? Thanks in advance.
 

Daphantom99

New User
Sure, I get that no doubt, but just as many people here say that the new stuff is garbage, the same amount of people like it.

The only difference is that this forum is more geared towards the more 'techy nerds' in a sense who know every detail, which is dominated by people who are more vocal about it

I mean really, go to any random at a local tennis club, and they have no clue about the differences between most racquets, let alone describe the feel and characteristics

Over here in Australia, it includes plenty of players who play nationally ranked tournaments at lower levels and casual / social players. Like I said, not everyone is a Pro, and that is a more accurate representation of not only Head, but the entire market

The reality is, is that most of the guys saying PTs or other classics should be made every year, is too small of a market share are not enticing enough for them to do it.

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On a side note, I played some doubles last night, serving side by side with my Gravity Pro, and the Prestige MP and it's not even close - the Prestige has been the best serving racquet i've used - hey maybe it's the setup, but 2 sessions in a row, it was an extreme change. The one thing is you can't be lazy at all with this racquet because of the power, but honestly it's perfectly suited towards my playstyle
If you don't mind me asking.. what string setup are you using on the Prestige MP 360+? Also, did you make any modifications to the racquet?
 

Daphantom99

New User
Started off with 48lbs and 1.15mm Tour Bite, not sure if its the tension loss or the string breaking in but as i continued to play with it, it went from small sweet spot and a tad jarring to totally opening up and very smooth and solid feel now, also the lack of power isn't so noticeable as it was when strings were fresh

No mods for me because its already ranging on my highest static weight , i used to use ncode 6.1 95 (333g unstrung) when i was 15, but cant handle those weights anymore as my technique also changed

I'll be interested to see what a more standard gauge string feels like, because 1.15mm reduces 4g from hoop, which makes it more headlight, and may also affect the stability a tad? not sure, but i do prefer a more whip and racquet head speed since i kind of have a large forehand loop
I'm stringing it with full Luxilon Element 16L (1.25) String at 44lbs. Feels great from the start.
 

Daphantom99

New User
Elements pretty soft isnt it? Tour bite generally stiffer but i found 1.15 to feel very nice on Gravity, so the tension difference is probably the case then, i can go up to 52 on Gravity, which is on very high end for me
Yeah.. it's pretty soft. I'm sure a lot of people don't like that string, but it's really underrated when it comes to dense and lower powered racquets.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Sure, I get that no doubt, but just as many people here say that the new stuff is garbage, the same amount of people like it.
Is that why some of the major retail stores (in the US) will not carry the latest Prestige line any more???

You are guessing, however, the data clearly shows that even the most loyal users have moved on from the Prestige line because....it was garbage last few generations
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
I mean, I would actually put it more that the Prestige hasn't had a decent face for the Line for ages.

It used to be that everyone on tour had the iPrestige or LM Prestige PJ and then they had Agassi as the big name for the Radicals.

These days the fact that the three top selling lines for Head are Speed, Gravity and Radical, I think is more telling since they have an actual face for the line (Djokovic/Gauff, Zverev/Barty and Murray/Schwartzman?Fritz?).
 

Lavs

Hall of Fame
Ok guys as you are saying that current Prestige line sucks, what guys you would say about this particular racket - Head Prestige XT RevPro? Is it "good Prestige" or "Prestige Garbage"?
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
Ok guys as you are saying that current Prestige line sucks, what guys you would say about this particular racket - Head Prestige XT RevPro? Is it "good Prestige" or "Prestige Garbage"?

I would guess they'll say it's part of the sucky line. The "XT" part implies Graphene XT which is the trigger word for all the hate.

I'd say just go demo it and form your own opinion :p
 

1990's Graphite

Hall of Fame
The new prestige mp is rubbish unfortunately and I have tried it with gut/poly, full poly, multi... I give all frames a chance....
The sweetspot is small and the racquet is anemic... yes the control is there, it's an 18x20 afterall, there are many better 18x20's on the market than this one.
I think a lot of new rec players who try this may like it if they have never played with 18x20's or cap grommets.. but just a honeymoon phase probably which will be over when their 340+gr racquet let's them down in a weekend match.
 

Daphantom99

New User
I would guess they'll say it's part of the sucky line. The "XT" part implies Graphene XT which is the trigger word for all the hate.

I'd say just go demo it and form your own opinion :p
LOL.. it is a true statement. It's like a Tourette trigger for some... Graphene.. 'trash,crap,sucks,dump,.. oh by the way I have tried it yet', but what do I know. I'm just a casual weekend player... not even close to being a PRO.
 

TennisHound

Legend
Ok guys as you are saying that current Prestige line sucks, what guys you would say about this particular racket - Head Prestige XT RevPro? Is it "good Prestige" or "Prestige Garbage"?
The XT Prestige RevPro is quick and fun to mess around with, but has one of the weakest throats of any racquet I've tried, except the XT Speed RevPro.
 

ChrisG

Professional
Could i tap into your knowledge of the pro game and ask a question? Do any pro players use any brand's commercially available racquets? Even challenger level pros? Thanks in advance.
Your sarcasm is very hopeful as actually it highlights my point. Most manufacturers offers nothing but below par products to their customers, Head is just the brand discussed in this thread.
Wilson seems to make a significant change with both blades and clash, prince offers now some interesting products.
But I’ve just hit with my 2012 C10 pro d’or the first time and I can tell this is a proper racquet, regardless of personal taste
 

Rocket54

New User
Your sarcasm is very hopeful as actually it highlights my point. Most manufacturers offers nothing but below par products to their customers, Head is just the brand discussed in this thread.
Wilson seems to make a significant change with both blades and clash, prince offers now some interesting products.
But I’ve just hit with my 2012 C10 pro d’or the first time and I can tell this is a proper racquet, regardless of personal taste
Thanks for the sort of reply but my question about pros using the commercially available frames (albeit probably customised) was a serious one. Would anyone else have an answer?
 
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