beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Yeah they are very intriguing to me. I discounted them at first.
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Yeah they are very intriguing to me. I discounted them at first.
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I’ve interestingly heard some good reviews, it’s obviously nowhere near as spiny as the steam 99s but the specs are close.
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Had my second hit will the Mid today, alongside the MP. I did serves along with FHs and BHs off ball machine.
I was surprised to find that I preferred the Mid. I thought I would like the bigger head size. But the Mid felt more solid on impact and I didn't notice a sweet spot difference. The Mid doesn't feel like a 93. The MP felt a little pingy as and I sailed a few balls long. The Mid also delivered a more penetrating ball and I enjoyed serving with it more.
The MP wasn't bad by any means, I just preferred the Mid. Super solid.
Now the question is what about the Tour or Pro?
I was surprised to find that I preferred the Mid. I thought I would like the bigger head size. But the Mid felt more solid on impact and I didn't notice a sweet spot difference. The Mid doesn't feel like a 93. The MP felt a little pingy as and I sailed a few balls long. The Mid also delivered a more penetrating ball and I enjoyed serving with it more.
The MP wasn't bad by any means, I just preferred the Mid. Super solid.
Now the question is what about the Tour or Pro?
The MP is better in live match play . It has a wider sweet spot towards the tip like the gravity . This was engineered into the new mold for mp. The mid is not a new mold .
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beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Hmm. I don't know. I see the wider sweet spot on paper, and my mind is telling me that a 98 must be more forgiving and have a bigger sweet spot than a 93, but I don't know. The Mid just felt like it hit a better ball off FH, BH, and serve. If I didn't know they were 5 sq in apart, I would never have guessed it.
Groundstrokes were very similar, but I thought the Mid got a slight edge in results and a big edge in feel. I think the big difference is the stiffness. Everything else is about the same, but the Mid feels more crisp through the ball. I judge a lot based on what my 50% speed strokes do (casual rallying). It's one thing to do well pedal-to-the-metal, but another thing on slower swings. Both did well, but I thought the Mid did a little better in depth and penetration. (both were incredibly surprising on casual strokes. in the past, mids I've played have been noodles on casual strokes, hence the issue).
You could be right about match play, but I can't test that right now unfortunately.
I guess my thought process is: any Prestige is going to be demanding. If I wanted something less demanding with less precision, I would get a Radical (or stick with my Extreme/Speed). I'm really just curious to see how I can play with a demanding, full-offense stick.
Then you should be fine with any prestige . But I’ve been playing 18x20 all my life . I’ve been playing speed pro past 5 yrs until the new mp 360+ and now love it. I’ve even stuck with 2 racquets only in the new mp 360+ as the strings maintain its tension at least 4 weeks. I string my own rackets .
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J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
345.1 is the Graphene 360+ Prestige MP
345.2 is the Graphene 360+ Prestige MP with 16x19.
they have the exact same layup as the retail frame sold
Slodge630
Rookie
Thanks for the info vsbabolat. The reason I asked is that the number one player in my team is from croatia and ranked 210 currently. He gave me one of his rackets and said it is this code. Unfortunately I didn’t ask what the code means.
Do you also know the code for the graphene touch prestiges?
Do you also know the code for the graphene touch prestiges?
mikeeeee
Professional
Did you ever end up hitting with the Pro?
Slodge630
Rookie
Obviously some pros do use it although not the highest ranked one. I wonder if someone uses the touch prestige series and whether there is a pro stock code for it...would be very nice to see some 360+ prestige mp on tour) I guess the frame could be a bit more competitive vs blade users. hopefuly.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
I’ve not hit with Pro, sorry
I play with a RF97, and demo'd a MP in a 4.5 league match. Played a clean first set, winning 6-1, hitting nice placement shots, especially DTL OHBH, nice lively slice serves in the deuce court, and out-of-position defensive slices-- felt like I could put the ball anywhere on the court. Much quicker through the air than my RF97. However, 2nd set became a push match and I lost some rhythm and feel on approach shots and started DF'g, could have been the strings or the Head grip being different (although better than the old days). I briefly switched to a 18x20 Pure Strick v3 demo, but only played two games with it, it's a much different feel being only 4pt HL. So I went back to the RF97 and won the match in the 3rd set by hitting deep, forcing shots-- which this racquet excels at. I was impressed enough to buy a MP, and will play some more matches with it. I'm pretty confident it can replace the RF97 in certain match situations-- especially where I need to hit a lot of passing shots. The frame allows very accurate placement, and has a lively response.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Many of the online reviewers (TW and others from Germany etc) have said that the MP was their pick of the bunch... so... maybe it's just the forums and our love and thirsting for Midsize offerings.
I've tried the Mid and it played great, so I'm not surprised there is lots of love and praise for it. I have an MP on the way and will be able to then compare them side-by-side with my friend's Mid. I prefer the specs of the MP and therefore chose to get that one but will have to see whether the specs match the real-life experience. I have many Prestige MPs so if it doesn't work out I will just pass it on to the next person. I'm also getting a Vcore Pro 97HD and will be able to compare them all.
I think that people are looking for power and the Mid with it's higher RA will provide that more easily than the MP (possibly). However, the TW Comparison Tool shows very little difference... in fact, the Mid is better in some areas and worse in others (in comparison to the MP). I think with a slight addition of weight in the head and handle the MP will sing like a Tenor.
TennisHound
Legend
Nothing wrong with the 360+PMP. It’s uber-good. There’s just a lot of good racquets that people are busy using right now and may not have a lot of current talk.
galapagos
Hall of Fame
360+more pronounced dwell time feeling, a bit more power, in stock a tiny bit slower but also more stable, more forgiving. due to slightly bigger headsize i would say the pinpoint precision is a bit lower for example on volleys but you have more forgiveness so always pros and cons. I would pick 360+ over IG mp because it is slightly more modern but still has the assets of prestige family.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
I have the Mid+, the MP+ and a GPro. I've bought and sold an MP+ and a GPro once already, but rebought them after a super short Yonex and Bad stint.
The MP+ is my fav of the bunch. I've added a few strips of lead at 3&9, as it lacked a little bit of plow.
Compared to the Mid+, the MP+ has a softer, and imo better, feel - and is easier to play (more forgiving, f.inst.).
The launch angle on the Mid+ is also lower then the MP+, at the same tension with the same string.
I'll be trying out the Mid+ with a bit of lead, and lower tensions, to see how it fares.
That's the odd thing. The reviews are fairly positive but I've seen quite alot of people put them up for sale not long after buying them. Doesn't seem to be much love for them on the used market either as they're not getting good prices.
Is the stock frame so lacking in power / plow that it's putting people off? How much lead is needed to turn it into something decent without killing the way it swings? Those are the things which I don't think are getting picked up in the reviews. At the moment, it seems like it's another generation of graphene prestige that Head haven't managed to get right...
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Slodge630
Rookie
I have one pro stock 360 mp tgt 345. i tried to match my graphene touch prestige tours to the specs of the 360 pro stock. After putting silicone in the grips and using lead etc I managed to get similar specs in terms of weight and swing weight, balance etc and must say the tgt345 graphene 360 mp And my now adjusted graphene touch prestige tours play quiet similar...
ls206
Hall of Fame
The MP+ I have has a woefully low swingweight. I’ve added about 5g across 12 o‘ clock to bring the SW up to 325. I’ve also noticed that the length is a couple mm shorter than my other racquets. Without the lead I would have ditched the MP+ after the first hit
Having a shorter than normal racquet is just shocking QC. It may not sound like much but over 1,000, 2,000 etc swings, its really adds up. It would be like riding the Tour de France with smaller wheels. Isn't there a way you could return it and get a replacement? I'm sure if you contacted Head directly, they might be able to do something (unless they consider defective racquets to be their norm).
How much shorter. If not drastic it could be the result of a poor string job?
ls206
Hall of Fame
It was shorter unstrung too. All 3 racquets are strung with the same string, similar tension and no crazy main/cross tension difference.
You can see the ultra tour is longer anyway because of the rounded butt cap, but the other racquet is a TFight ltd with a head butt cap.
TFight is bang on 68.5cm, MP+ is 68.2cm
I bought it second hand so can’t return it - I’ll just extend it a little when I replace the stock grip soon.
I didn’t mean to make a big thing about this, just wanted to note that it is again something that is going to reduce the SW, thus plow.
You can see the ultra tour is longer anyway because of the rounded butt cap, but the other racquet is a TFight ltd with a head butt cap.
TFight is bang on 68.5cm, MP+ is 68.2cm
I bought it second hand so can’t return it - I’ll just extend it a little when I replace the stock grip soon.
I didn’t mean to make a big thing about this, just wanted to note that it is again something that is going to reduce the SW, thus plow.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Djokovic plays with a slightly shorter racquet (or at least he did in the past... not sure with the latest change to 18x19)... doesn't seem to have affected his game much.
Personally, if the racquet feels nice... the rest can be sorted.
Why would anyone want to copy Djokcovid??
The only person his racquet suits is him with its ~365g tree log weight and swing weight in the stratosphere.
In any event, the Tennis Nerd guy reckons its actually slightly longer than normal:
Novak Djokovic's Actual Racquet - A Tennisnerd racquet review
I had the good fortune to borrow and test Novak Djokovic's actual racquet last week. The pro stock name for it is the PT113B and it is one of the most elusive frames on the pro stock market. Is it as good as it is rare? Read on to find out.
tennisnerd.net
Novak Djokovic's New Racquet Setup
There is a lot of buzz online about Novak Djokovic's new racquet setup. In this post we will give you some more information about the changes he has done to his tennis racquet and how they will affect his game.
tennisnerd.net
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Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Why would anyone want to copy Djokcovid??
The only person his racquet suits is him with its ~365g tree log weight and swing weight in the stratosphere.
In any event, the Nerd guy reckons its actually slightly longer than normal:
Novak Djokovic's New Racquet Setup
There is a lot of buzz online about Novak Djokovic's new racquet setup. In this post we will give you some more information about the changes he has done to his tennis racquet and how they will affect his game.
Maybe he changed it up to help his elbow...
As to why anyone would want to copy Djokovic... maybe because if we could play like him we'd be No.1 in the World... have a great track record against the other two possible GOATs... If that's not enough... be able to stop Federer from winning more Grand Slams on a regular basis... maybe be the greatest returner of all time... Even the possible future GOAT... certainly top three of all time. Few small reasons I guess.
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic all have great positives and negatives... they are the three greatest players of all time... any one of them would kill to have the positives of the other... Imagine what Federer could have achieved if he could attack Rafa's forehand from his backhand side as Djokovic does... Imagine what Djokovic could have achieved if he could play with Rafa's intensity the whole match and not get affected by the crowd and his temper.
I appreciate all of them for different reasons.
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You've completely missed the point. You brought up Djokcovid in the context of his racquet. Like I said previously, what he use is irrelevant to you, so why would you want to copy what he uses? It's never going to make you play like him. It's the greatest fallacy ever.
nohandedbackhand
Semi-Pro
There’s nothing wrong with trying it out. Why does that bother you? Also he used to play with a shortened length, just changed to slightly xl a year or two ago if I recall
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
I never said I wanted to copy his exact specs... so you missed the point. If he played with a shorter racquet though that has nothing to do with his SW or the static weight of his racquet once modified. A shorter racquet is a shorter racquet no matter what the specs.
What I was trying to say... which I thought WAS the point, is that the No.1 player in the world until recently played with a slightly shorter racquet. You seemed to suggest that using a slightly shorter racquet was a ridiculous concept. I only stated that one of the best players in the world did just that (irrelevant of his actual specs). If it worked for him and got him to World No.1... then there is no reason it should be a problem for us ordinary players.
I'm very happy for you not to use a shorter racquet... and not to try to copy Djokovic's specs... or anything about him. I'm not suggesting anyone should. I just pointed out that using a slightly shorter racquet (if that suits the person) is not a horrible idea.
You still don't grasp it. Do you really think a shortened Prestige MP - which is what we were talking about originally - with its already feeble power is going to do you any good? What are you planning to do, play mixed O65 dubs?
What Djokcovid does with his racquet is irrelevant. Only brain dead sheeple would try and copy him for the sake of copying him.
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TennisHound
Legend
I think people buy the PMP and begin loving everything about it and actually win some matches with it. Then they have a lazy day, or a slight slump in play and switch back to their PD or lighter racquet. Then a few months later the process repeats, only now their thinking of the matches they won with it, and pick one up that someone else had a temporarily bad match with. That’s why I’m looking for another one, lol
Icedorb217
Semi-Pro
Ngl its got a super low launch angle. Also I have a leather grip on mine and am experimenting with lead to help get the SW just right. But with just the leather grip I've been enjoying it so far to the point where I am going to keep it unless they suddenly make a 16x19 version of it.
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Deleted member 768841
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That’s some disgusting QC.
Recently ordered two MP Mids from TW a week apart, one weighs 317g, the other 325g (spec is 320g).
Just measured the length, and damn if both of these Mid frames are about 1/4" short of 27"-- more precisely, the frame itself is 68.1cm, the guard is 4mm, so that's 68.5cm, one mm short of 68.6cm (27"). So evidently Head includes the guard in the length of the racquet, just like they used to measure the head size from the outer frame, not the inner frame like everyone else. So with Head you are actually getting a frame of 26 3/4" plus a 1/4" headguard. No wonder they swing so fast! Kind of deceptive marketing. I checked my RF97 and it is 27" butt to top-of-frame, so it's an actual 27" length.
Well, these Mids are going back, love affair with Head is over.
Just measured the length, and damn if both of these Mid frames are about 1/4" short of 27"-- more precisely, the frame itself is 68.1cm, the guard is 4mm, so that's 68.5cm, one mm short of 68.6cm (27"). So evidently Head includes the guard in the length of the racquet, just like they used to measure the head size from the outer frame, not the inner frame like everyone else. So with Head you are actually getting a frame of 26 3/4" plus a 1/4" headguard. No wonder they swing so fast! Kind of deceptive marketing. I checked my RF97 and it is 27" butt to top-of-frame, so it's an actual 27" length.
Well, these Mids are going back, love affair with Head is over.
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Stock swing weight is 325 on mine . I’m strung with 16g poly /syngut.
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You don't even use it.
Villain
Professional
You’re right, why would I use the racquet I ranked first on my list from that other thread where you were wrong? Just spoiling for a fight aren’t you?
Post a video you hitting with it then with your username somewhere in the video so that we know its you.
Villain
Professional
You first.
I'm not the one claiming that I use this racquet. Your posts are clearly just hot air.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Imo, it's the best feeling racket Head's put out since the IG line, and I still prefer the MP+ over the IG Prestiges or any other frame on the market currently.
