New Prestige

[Pro_Tour_630]

By the way there was no difference between the Premier Tour sold in Europe and North America. Exact same racquet.

VS, how many head size versions do you think they (from the factory) HEAD will produce of this Premier? We are lead to believe that there are two in Europe, one real 600 mid and NOW with mine there is a 95/97(625) with 600 mid printed on it, which makes it two, is that POSSIBLE?................. it did not think so, thanks. There might be a premier 660?!?! but that is irrelevant to our topic since it is obviously too large with 18X19, any info on that one? color?

THERE IS ONLY ONE PRODUCTION RUN/MOLD FROM THE FACTORY AND THAT IS THE ONE I HAVE. I CAN SAFELY SAY IT IS NO 600 PERIOD!!!!!!! MORE LIKE 625 or 95/97. NO PAINT JOB STORIES PLEASE!!!!!!

 

[tandayu]

MIchael CHaho and VSBabolat,

This is interesting

All this time I thought Head only has mold for 600, 630, 660, and 690.

Now I wonder which other frame share same mold as the Premier Tour....

 

[jura]

Kuerten used a Premier Tour PJ with CAP as well do you think he can switch from 600 to 630 that easily? He has always played with PT630 and sometime it was painted to look like a premier.

I never said something different than Guga always used a PT 630.
And I have to say that I never compared a Premier Tour to a PC 600 or a PT 630. So it's possible that it was bigger than 600.
But wasn't it considered that the Head 630's have 95 sq. in. and the PC 600 is more like 90 sq. in.? So maybe the Premier Tour was the onliest REAL 600
Maybe I will meet the guy who still uses the Premier Tour and then I will compare it to a 600 and a 630 racket.

Edit: Didn't scroll down to your pics before I posted this. Due to your pics it really seems that the Premier Tour was closer to the PT 630 than the PC 600. So it might have been the onliest Head racket which was called smaller than it was. ;-)

 

[Deuce]

The Premier Tour replaced the Pro Tour, so I would say it was a mid sized, open pattern version of the Pro Tour.

Yes - the Premier Tour came out right after the Pro Tour 280 was discontinued.
The Premier was marketed by Head as the replacement for the Pro Tour.
The Pro Tour was a great racquet. Unfortunately, the Premier played nothing like the Pro Tour.

I will just put in my two cents on the Premier Tour. I am a proud owner LOL of Premier Tour 600. It says on the frame 600 cm2. The Premier Tour 600 has a larger head than the Prestige Classic 600. I will also say that the Premier Tour 600 is slightly smaller than the Pro Tour 630. Also the beam width on the Premier Tour is 20mm the same as the Pro Tour 630. The Prestige Classic 600 beam width is 19mm. The Premier Tour replaced the Pro Tour 630 in the commercial line-up of HEAD.

The Premier Tour was the first awful HEAD racquet that I had ever hit with. It was a prelude of things to come.

I agree with everything you wrote in that post.
Especially the last two sentences.

But wasn't it considered that the Head 630's have 95 sq. in. and the PC 600 is more like 90 sq. in.? So maybe the Premier Tour was the onliest REAL 600
Maybe I will meet the guy who still uses the Premier Tour and then I will compare it to a 600 and a 630 racket.

Edit: Didn't scroll down to your pics before I posted this. Due to your pics it really seems that the Premier Tour was closer to the PT 630 than the PC 600. So it might have been the onliest Head racket which was called smaller than it was. ;-)

Indeed, the Premier is definitely larger than the Prestige Mids. The Prestige Mids are 89.5 or 89.9 sq. in. - that's fairly well established. That works out to roughly 580 sq. cm.
The Prestige Mids ARE NOT 600 sq. cm, or 93 sq. in., as stated by Head.

Maybe the Premier is actually the elusive 93 sq. in. racquet???

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

And I have to say that I never compared a Premier Tour to a PC 600 or a PT 630. So it's possible that it was bigger than 600.

Yes it is possible, I did the same error when I played with the Premier 6 years ago and saw "600" "mid" printed on the top, I also though that it was actually a 600 mid. It is deceiving until you put the premier on top of the PT280/630.

But wasn't it considered that the Head 630's have 95 sq. in. and the PC 600 is more like 90 sq. in.? So maybe the Premier Tour was the onliest REAL 600

the PT630 is 95-97 (not 98 like some think). so yeah the premier could be the real and only 92-93 who knows, but the premier mold is not a prestige mid mold for sure which is what were are discussing and it has been established by few experts other than me.

Maybe I will meet the guy who still uses the Premier Tour and then I will compare it to a 600 and a 630 racket.

it is the only way you will know

Edit: Didn't scroll down to your pics before I posted this. Due to your pics it really seems that the Premier Tour was closer to the PT 630 than the PC 600. So it might have been the onliest Head racket which was called smaller than it was. ;-)

Maybe , it was called smaller than it was for marketing reasons so people can think it is a prestige mid with open pattern, but it was not a prestige mid mold. Was Head doing this on purpose to mislead us or was it a print error? Don't know %100 the answer to that? It is puzzling. Maybe they used different method to calculate head size which is the most likely scenario?

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

Maybe the Premier is actually the elusive 93 sq. in. racquet???

Yes maybe it is, I put the premier on top of a 93sq Volkl Mid and it was just a hair tad bigger.

Deuce and vsbabolat, I know you did not like the premier due to stability mostly but I had my premier customized by John Cauthen methods and this stick improved %100. I like you hated it at first but you have to give this stick another try IMO. It is truly unique. Especially when modified with lead and strung to your liking. As is, without lead and regular strings it was a dog I agree, but so are %99 of the sticks out there when not strung and balanced correctly.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

MIchael CHaho and VSBabolat,

This is interesting

All this time I thought Head only has mold for 600, 630, 660, and 690.

Now I wonder which other frame share same mold as the Premier Tour....

there were earlier Head size smaller than 600.

this premier is unique since it has 16X18 not 16X19 like normal Dunlop 200G Mfil 2006 frames which IMO is the closest mold only with one cross string difference.

 

[AlpineCadet]

You can't even answer on simple question? let me answer for you. 600 is the answer you would have given.



YOU ARE MISTAKEN!!!!!!!!You ment that the Premier is a MID 600. Which is clearly NOT. YOU ARE WRONG, JUST ADMIT IT AND MOVE ON!!!!! it is a 630, I was soft on you with my first reply since you are a newbi. It is OK I have done the same mistake and thought that the premier is a mid untill I got one right in my hand.




Then you tried to be cute with me by being, sarcastic?!?!

Not only Head is LYING to us but more like misleading us. You should know that.

Oh and welcome to the boards you got alot to learn, son.

ROFL. He's got you steaming.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

ROFL. He's got you steaming.

yeah notice he Pleepers has not shown his face when he asked for proof and I shoved it down his throat.


He pops up chocking on crow feathers every now and then ;-)

 

[Chauvalito]

I know this is not the place to ask...but does anyone know what stick Youzny is playing with?

 

[Bogie]

I know this is not the place to ask...but does anyone know what stick Youzny is playing with?

no. only speculation so far.

 

[Chauvalito]

no. only speculation so far.

Thanks, I just wanted to check...

 

[bluegrasser]

Deuce - Can you tell me why you liked the early Prestiges, and why you hate the newer versions - be specific please.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

Pleepers, nice to show your face after the people you were cheer leading ended up agreeing with me, now for your ignorant question? it is not a paint job since I bought it brand new with plastic still on grip with "barcode" inside ( don't expect you to know about the barcode #'s and what they mean) tags labels etc.... And most important if it were painted over a PT630 as you claim it would have the exact dimensions of a PT630, the photo clearly shows how the PT630 bulges on the sides. Besides PT630 is 18X20 and the permier tour is 16X18.

As for your mother, I gave you a great site for info and you should be thankful. Posting on the tennis travel section and asking for safety in Honduras?!?!? I mean no on cares or answered except me. You posted in the WRONG FORUM in the WRONG SECTION!!!!

I think the crow feathers should be giving John, oooops his name is John too, indigestion by now............. ;-)

 

[ht4444____]

The Pro Tour T280/630 is on top of Premier tour "600" they are very close in head size

very close.... but no identical....
630 = 98 sq. in
600= 93 sq.in
when i put a 98 and a 93 headsized rackets their headsize look pretty similar....
the 93 is VERY CLOSE to 98.... mmmm....
hey michael....
maybe you're a little bit excited trying to make everyone else wrong....
there are some ways of measurng elipse area.... you should use those formulas to measure the headsize.... and not compare them puting them together....

an example.... some peaches are similar to boobs.... but they aren't identical

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

very close.... but no identical....
630 = 98 sq. in
600= 93 sq.in
when i put a 98 and a 93 headsized rackets their headsize look pretty similar....
the 93 is VERY CLOSE to 98.... mmmm....
hey michael....
maybe you're a little bit excited trying to make everyone else wrong....
there are some ways of measurng elipse area.... you should use those formulas to measure the headsize.... and not compare them puting them together....

an example.... some peaches are similar to boobs.... but they aren't identical

huh!?!?! All we are saying is that the Premier tour "600" is not really a 600 mid (as in a prestige mid mold which is actually a 90) it looks a bit bigger, it is closer in head size to the PT630 MP ( it is not identical to the 630), it has been established by many on this thread not just me, get over it. I don't need a formula I have eyes

 

[Deuce]

Deuce - Can you tell me why you liked the early Prestiges, and why you hate the newer versions - be specific please.

The only one that I hate is the LiquidMetal Prestige Mid.
I haven't tried the Flexpoint Prestige Mid.

The LM Prestige Mid just seemed like a cheap toy to me. It had a verry tinny and fragile feel to it. It felt like it was going to shatter in my hands on every shot. I played one set with it - beat a decent player 6-1, and despised every second of it.

The Prestige Classic, by comparison, is a very solid racquet with great feel. I prefer the Graphite Edge to the Prestige Classic - but of all fairly modern frames, the PC 600 is at the top of the list (along with the Pro Tour 280).

I like the iPrestige Mid, which is relatively 'new'. It has a feel very similar to the Pro Staff 85 - firm and crisp, yet not at all stiff.

 

[Frankc]

Yes maybe it is, I put the premier on top of a 93sq Volkl Mid and it was just a hair tad bigger.

Deuce and vsbabolat, I know you did not like the premier due to stability mostly but I had my premier customized by John Cauthen methods and this stick improved %100. I like you hated it at first but you have to give this stick another try IMO. It is truly unique. Especially when modified with lead and strung to your liking. As is, without lead and regular strings it was a dog I agree, but so are %99 of the sticks out there when not strung and balanced correctly.

Very, very true... a dynamic & powerful frame with real feel... loves the flat game with some lead well placed (trim that head guard to say goodbye to that odd HH stock feel)... at 12.2 ounces strung ( find some string that is not too tight and is soft and dynamic) ... very nice and special.

Not a Pro Tour at all, but a PT630 for a slower swinger. A few of mine are marked L6 Swing by Head - should be marked as L4 or so, imo... My favorite serving frame of all time - once set up right, you can really work the spins, hard.

 

[Slowtwitcher]

13 year thread resurrection. Nice job.

 

[teachingprotx]

HAHAHAHA that is so weird and funny.

I sent John Cauthen a Brand NEW from the mid 90's Premier Tour (16X19 )which is a PT630 with open pattern same beam width and made in Austria. John had weights put above the handle. Boy I can't wait to tell John about this one. He made my PT630 to feel and play like the Prestige Mid, even down to the head shape. Even though the Premier tour says 600mid on the top of the frame it is closer to 95, with Johns stringing method it felt almost like a mid.

Where is ole John ?