New Prince Racquet

pumpkinpi

Rookie
I know a lot of people don't care about Prince racquet releases, but I just saw this on Instagram:
Specs seem to be unstrung weight = 10.8 oz/305 g, unstrung balance = 31 cm/12.2 in, unstrung swingweight = 290, string pattern 16 x 19.
Thoughts? Which racquet would this be: Tour, Beast, neither?
 

AA7

Professional
I know a lot of people don't care about Prince racquet releases, but I just saw this on Instagram:
Specs seem to be unstrung weight = 10.8 oz/305 g, unstrung balance = 31 cm/12.2 in, unstrung swingweight = 290, string pattern 16 x 19.
Thoughts? Which racquet would this be: Tour, Beast, neither?
Well you are mistaken bud.. we care a lot. Japanese tours are white.. so it seems like a tour but no tour is 16x19 except tt95 but that one is much heavier than 305gr. I dont know what this is. Already getting heart palpations.. anxiety attack coming.. :laughing: :laughing:
 

Chris1973

New User
Really interested too, big fun of Prince rackets here also. Still hoping TW will stock the white Tours. If that doesn't work, boes anyone have any link to get the Japanese tours?
 

t_pac

Semi-Pro
Interesting - PJ certainly looks like a new tour but as already said, specs don't match up with any of the current frames.

Still holding out for a US/EU release of the new Tours, TWE has reduced all the current models which is giving me hope the new ones will arrive at some point in the not too distant future.

Really interested too, big fun of Prince rackets here also. Still hoping TW will stock the white Tours. If that doesn't work, boes anyone have any link to get the Japanese tours?
I've thought about this but racquet prices are crazy over there, before you even add in any shipping etc.
 

gazz1

Semi-Pro
The new Tours look great. I would buy one tomorrow.
I like all their new designs.

Played with the TT310 and TT 100P. Loved them both but wanted to try something new after a while so switched to the Clash 98 then Blade 16x19 and then Ezone 100 2020 (briefly - couldn’t keep the ball in the court).

Decided to pick up a couple of Beast 98 O3s at the reduced price and give them a try.
Much better than my Wilson and Yonex rackets.
I will be staying with these for a while.

I really hope TW keep stocking new Prince models because this company has finally got it right...customers just need a bit more time to figure it out.
 

t_pac

Semi-Pro
I'd buy a lot more than one tomorrow! Unless the Gravity Tour changes my mind when I get to test it out soon, I'm pretty much ready to make the Tour 100 O3 my long term frame and sell off all my other sticks. Obviously I could still stock up on the current version but the new PJ looks sweet and I'm intrigued to see how much the new ATS improves things even more.
 

pumpkinpi

Rookie
from what's been said, perhaps this is a new line? it doesn't match any current models and the post said "something new..." I hope its a players fram (seems likely) and not another twistpower
 

3loudboys

Hall of Fame
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I'd buy a lot more than one tomorrow! Unless the Gravity Tour changes my mind when I get to test it out soon, I'm pretty much ready to make the Tour 100 O3 my long term frame and sell off all my other sticks. Obviously I could still stock up on the current version but the new PJ looks sweet and I'm intrigued to see how much the new ATS improves things even more.
I tried the Gravity Tour and it had to much weight in the head. The balance was so way off and the polarisation Head does with graphene isn't anywhere close to the plush feel of the Texteme Tours. I think you made a wise choice.
 

pumpkinpi

Rookie
Hey so I've been playing with a prince racquet for a while now, and I like it but: what is textreme and its purpose? is it a bit like head's graphene or wilson's basalt? I never figured that out. I know this is off topic but wanted to ask
 

JoaoN

Rookie
The paint looks a lot like phantoms X, even the "marks" on the paint, so maybe the first 16x19 Phantom or phantom X.
 

JoaoN

Rookie
tour 100p with a 16x18 is tour 100....


if this is a phantom then I don't know what to say... they should change their name from "prince" to "phantom" as a company...
They do have a lot of phantom models, the fact they they will discontinue the beast line outside of japan is a shame, and they do need to update the Tours, but the frame on this picture does look like a phantom, unless they make an abrupt change on the tours
 

jbdbackfan

Rookie
Totally confused why TW nor Prince seem interested enough in continuing to develop racquet lines in the USA. Per the “ask TW” message board nor the beast or tour lines have current plans to be in USA.
 

pumpkinpi

Rookie
Totally confused why TW nor Prince seem interested enough in continuing to develop racquet lines in the USA. Per the “ask TW” message board nor the beast or tour lines have current plans to be in USA.
And the tours are still available but the beasts have sold out, which makes it worse. If we could still buy the old ones I would be unhappy but not too sad. But now you can't buy any beasts.
 
The pattern in the pj is the same as the phantoms. So unless they’re going to use that for the Tours as well, it’ll be a Phantom
 

AA7

Professional
The pattern in the pj is the same as the phantoms. So unless they’re going to use that for the Tours as well, it’ll be a Phantom
what pattern? you talking about inside the hoop? when they first launched textreme+twaron in beast they had that mesh pattern for the first time and they put it into tour after that.. phantom launched more recently so yeah that could be the "inside" pattern on new princes... racket is white... the tours are white in japan. I could easily argue that they are tour by that association as well.

I thought "phantoms" thing was that they were all black/dark colors....

Maybe I am just in denial (and anger :-D :-D ) refusing the idea of it being phantom. they can't be that much willing to fight against their own interests.. again how many phantoms does a prince need.. what the fudge? people will have no idea what to chose.. there are too many rackets in the market to begin with and they decide to compete against themselves?
 
what pattern? you talking about inside the hoop?
look at OP’s picture. On the inside of the hoop there is a very clear pattern of curls/shapes. It is similar to contour lines to mark heights on maps.

current phantoms are dark purple and have that very same pattern. EDIT: the grey Phantoms have the same pattern.
 

AA7

Professional
look at OP’s picture. On the inside of the hoop there is a very clear pattern of curls/shapes. It is similar to contour lines to mark heights on maps.

current phantoms are dark purple and have that very same pattern. EDIT: the grey Phantoms have the same pattern.
oh boy.. u missed the entire point of my post... that is my point... beast and tour in the latest update had the same pattern and just different color in the hoop.... did someone say that "this is distinct phantom pattern"? can tour have a same pattern as phantom like beast and tour shared the pattern in their recent iteration... why not? i could be wrong I am just saying that alone does not indicate they are phantoms or not...
 

AA7

Professional
actually if you go to japan website and zoom in on the tour, you can see (possibly, unless my eyes are completely tricking me) it has that phantom pattern inside the hoop.
 

pumpkinpi

Rookie
what pattern? you talking about inside the hoop? when they first launched textreme+twaron in beast they had that mesh pattern for the first time and they put it into tour after that.. phantom launched more recently so yeah that could be the "inside" pattern on new princes... racket is white... the tours are white in japan. I could easily argue that they are tour by that association as well.
Um I have a beast and it doesn't have swirls (or I have bad eyesight, I'm gonna check again. Also the racquet is black or dark grey right? I get what you're saying, way too many phantoms at the moment (especially since they haven't sold out the older versions yet).
EDIT: ah yes, there are markings on my beast, but they're on the outside of my hoop, I read comments and thought they were on the inside.
 

t_pac

Semi-Pro
He's talking about the weave (almost camo) pattern that started with the Beast and then was added to the Tours. Just pointing out that designs can migrate from one range of frames to another.
 
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AA7

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Um I have a beast and it doesn't have swirls (or I have bad eyesight, I'm gonna check again. Also the racquet is black or dark grey right? I get what you're saying, way too many phantoms at the moment (especially since they haven't sold out the older versions yet).
not the swirls... I have both beast and tours...

so prince launched the beast.. it had this "twaron" pattern on it.. it's basically yellow and grey mesh pattern... the one you see on the throat of the racquet. And then they launched the "tour" with same exact pattern on the throat of the racket. They only difference was Beast was Red inside the hoop, and Tour was green inside the hoop.

Same thing they could do again for next updates for the tour (i.e. use the pattern of phantom).

The OP picture racket inside hoop is black/grey. Outside of the hoop is white.
 

AA7

Professional
He's talking about the weave (almost camo) pattern that started with the Beast and then was added to the Tours. Just pointing out that designs can migrate from one range of frames to another.
thank you. this is what happens when you have a much greater command of English language, unlike me. That was way more clear than what I was trying and failing to communicate in 17 posts.. hah
 

pumpkinpi

Rookie
He's talking about the weave (almost camo) pattern that started with the Beast and then was added to the Tours. Just pointing out that designs can migrate from one range of frames to another.
but weirdly phantoms never got the solid inside, black outside with camo/mesh pattern. Maybe bc they aren't branded as textreme? IDK
 

BillKid

Professional
Well you are mistaken bud.. we care a lot. Japanese tours are white.. so it seems like a tour but no tour is 16x19 except tt95 but that one is much heavier than 305gr. I dont know what this is. Already getting heart palpations.. anxiety attack coming.. :laughing: :laughing:
Looking at the beam it cannot be a Beast.
Do we know if it is a japanese release? US?
@TW Staff do you have any input that you could share?
 

AA7

Professional
Looking at the beam it cannot be a Beast.
Do we know if it is a japanese release? US?
@TW Staff do you have any input that you could share?
agreed. i actually think it is tour. Japanese release happened a while back but who knows.. prince is so out of it...it's funny.
 
He's talking about the weave (almost camo) pattern that started with the Beast and then was added to the Tours. Just pointing out that designs can migrate from one range of frames to another.
twaron is indeed not bound to 1 model line. The swirly paint job is. On the picture of the OP the swirls are clear (and no Twaron), so I believe this is a Phantom.
 

t_pac

Semi-Pro
As far as I'm concerned, all Prince 16x18s should be transitioned over to 16x19.
Depends on the overall spacing though - I've got 16x18 and 16x19 Tours and the difference is just an extra cross string at the bottom. I'm not sure that's making much difference tbh.
 

Alex78

Hall of Fame
Depends on the overall spacing though - I've got 16x18 and 16x19 Tours and the difference is just an extra cross string at the bottom. I'm not sure that's making much difference tbh.
Yeah, I think PrinceOfficial explained this somewhere in the "official" Prince thread: You get 16x18 for the rounder head and 16x19 for the more oval head. So 16x19 for this frame may be a hint it's gonna be a Tour (?)
 

AA7

Professional
Depends on the overall spacing though - I've got 16x18 and 16x19 Tours and the difference is just an extra cross string at the bottom. I'm not sure that's making much difference tbh.
yeah I don't think it will make a huge difference either.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
No more phantoms please.. dont need the phantom 27th version. I dont think so.. the new tours are white and they released not too long ago in japan
Looking at the Japanese video, it seems they've phantomed up the Tours with a thinner beam and more box shape. So it likely is a new Tour. That could be a good thing or it could just make everything too similar.
 

AA7

Professional
Looking at the Japanese video, it seems they've phantomed up the Tours with a thinner beam and more box shape. So it likely is a new Tour. That could be a good thing or it could just make everything too similar.
i don't think they changed anything.. on the Japanese website.. they have all the specs of 310 and 290. they are pretty much identical to prior version except the ATS that they put in... and they took the "prince power level" to 850 (from 825) fwiw...
 

AA7

Professional
oh well.. i think i was wrong anyways...

From Brittany:

"The Prince teaser pic is for a different racquet I believe. Hang tight with the Tours as there is no immediate launch date.

Brittany, TW"
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
i don't think they changed anything.. on the Japanese website.. they have all the specs of 310 and 290. they are pretty much identical to prior version except the ATS that they put in... and they took the "prince power level" to 850 (from 825) fwiw...
The video makes them look boxier than my old Textreme Tour. But the specs are still 23 mm, so maybe it's the paint job that gives that appearance.

"The Prince teaser pic is for a different racquet I believe. Hang tight with the Tours as there is no immediate launch date.

So back to maybe a new Phantom? What could be missing from that line? A 95 16x18?
 
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t_pac

Semi-Pro
Don't they already have a 97in 16x18 though? 2 inches of real estate barely warrants yet another phantom
 

AA7

Professional
Don't they already have a 97in 16x18 though? 2 inches of real estate barely warrants yet another phantom
oh yeah of course it does.. they need 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99 and 100 phantom... all with box and round beam and also 16x18 and 18x20 pattern and finally 2 different weight classes... so that is about 8x2x2x2=64 phantoms
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Don't they already have a 97in 16x18 though? 2 inches of real estate barely warrants yet another phantom
OK fine. How about a ported 104"?

But I agree, they don't need another Phantom. Just keep fine tuning the current ones. They've got pretty much all the bases covered with that line.

Whatever it is, it's 16x19, SW 290 (unstrung), Static weight 305g unstrung, balance point 31 cm. And has a Phantom P paintjob and beam shape.
 
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