"NEW" Pro Staff 6.0 85 St. Vincent (56kers beware - lots of pics)

heh heh.. I waiting until 3-5 sec left... it was at $838 for a while.. then I hit the confirm button for my bid of $1000.00 thinking, ok let's see what happens..

then bam, i get an error message saying my bid was insufficient or something. I was thinking wtf? Then I looked at what it had ballooned to in just a couple seconds. haha! :)

oh well, better luck next time.

but I doubt if we'll see 3 mint SV for sale all at once for a long time.

If I were the seller, instead of selling them in all one lot, I would have sold them individually, 1 or 2 months a part. ;)
 
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PrestigeClassic said:
I didn't know he had sent out better pics!
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Yeah.. the seller was very courteous and helpful as far as emailed questions went. The seller emailed me directly those additional photos, and confirmed what I was hoping for. I was licking my chops all day at work, crossing my fingers I'd sneak in there with a last second $1,000 bid. haha silly me! I was hoping the minimalist listing wouldn't attract as much attention. Oh well.. try again next time :)

PrestigeClassic said:
Wow, this might be past GTX Pro-T territory.
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Ya think.. ? :p

IMHO, a MINT PS85 SV would definitely fetch a much higher bid than a MINT GTX Pro-T.

The highest I've seen a MINT GTX Pro-T go for was $495 on youknowwhere (item No. 200086885586 )


What the new owners of these 3 MINT PS 85 SV's should do is find some way for Sampras to sign them! :) $$$
 
PrestigeClassic said:
No St. Vincent frame had plastic on handle..
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quite possibly the sexiest racquet i've ever seen. it went for 960?

man, you could buy belgium for that.
 
That racquet seems suspect to me (from the original 1st post). I thought the early St. Vincents had no head guard (like the Chicago) and they were installed on the later models. Also, the tension range information is in the wrong location and the tension seems way too low (mine states 65-70 lbs). Also, the point about the grey color someone mentioned when the post started.

Looking at mine (butt code HQQ) - which also has no head guard, the grip size and tension range are on the same sticker and it has no information about control and power like this one. Then, to the right of that sticker (on mine), it states the weight and balance information. Also, mine does not have the small trademark symbol, on the butt cap, like this one.

This racquet seems to have many anomalies. I'd have been very wary bidding on it when it was auctioned.

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Looking back at the original post (over a year ago)... I notice the racquet does have a head guard. They are usually very easy to see when the racquet is unstrung... since they have a tendency to start popping out of the grommet holes. Aside from that, the labels on this racquet are similar to the current auction (no midsize written on both sides of throat, hologram sticker, tension of 50-60 lbs., materials written on the side of throat, etc.)

Does anyone have a new 6.0 PS? Is this similar to what is written on the current model or even the Taiwan model? Something just seems wrong here.
 
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Jack & Coke said:
Item number: 200221495503
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This racquet (from post #63 - current auction) also seems strange. I have a late SV (with headguard) and it has midsize on both sides of the throat. It also has stickers similar to the ones I describe in my last post (the top section). Did the SV racquets come with the hologram sticker of authenticity (like this one has)? The grommet code on this one is the same as mine (1615 22D according to the auction owner). The SV with no headguard does not have a grommet code on it).

In this person's auction, read the question and answer section. It seems someone else noticed these inconsistencies.
 
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Bud said:
This racquet (from post #63 - current auction) also seems strange. I have a late SV (with headguard) and it has midsize on both sides of the throat. It also has stickers similar to the ones I describe in my last post (the top section). Did the SV racquets come with the hologram sticker of authenticity (like this one has)? The grommet code on this one is the same as mine (1615 22D according to the auction owner). The SV with no headguard does not have a grommet code on it).

In this person's auction, read the question and answer section. It seems someone else noticed these inconsistencies.
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Hi Bud,

I have had 2 kramer staff 85 st vincents(just got another one, free) both of those had holograms. I believe late st vincent racquets all had holograms.

My sv pro staff is a very early one, had it since new many years ago (87 or 88 guess?)....it has a bumper guard. It is my understanding that only Chicago's came without a guard.

I think the new listing is a late sv pro staff.....tho swopping buttcaps can be done....

I also think paying that amount of money for it is silly. IMHO of course.

Be patient, they are out there. Maybe new is hard to find, but low mileage ps85's can be found.

I have a ps 85 china 6.0 as well, it also hits great.

The sv's are something special tho. I have never hit a chicago, I'm told those are similar to the sv.

My 2 ps 85 and now the kramer staff are hit around sticks only. I no longer have the game to hit solid shots with them for more than 20 minutes or so...

Finding the dime sized sweet spot on an sv is the greatest sensation in tennis....which is why I still bring em out.

As I've said before, those who have experienced it know what I am talking about.

Those who haven't think we are all nuts.
 
hrstrat57 said:
Hi Bud,

I have had 2 kramer staff 85 st vincents(just got another one, free) both of those had holograms. I believe late st vincent racquets all had holograms.

My sv pro staff is a very early one, had it since new many years ago (87 or 88 guess?)....it has a bumper guard. It is my understanding that only Chicago's came without a guard.

I think the new listing is a late sv pro staff.....tho swopping buttcaps can be done....

I also think paying that amount of money for it is silly. IMHO of course.

Be patient, they are out there. Maybe new is hard to find, but low mileage ps85's can be found.

I have a ps 85 china 6.0 as well, it also hits great.

The sv's are something special tho. I have never hit a chicago, I'm told those are similar to the sv.

My 2 ps 85 and now the kramer staff are hit around sticks only. I no longer have the game to hit solid shots with them for more than 20 minutes or so...

Finding the dime sized sweet spot on an sv is the greatest sensation in tennis....which is why I still bring em out.

As I've said before, those who have experienced it know what I am talking about.

Those who haven't think we are all nuts.
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Did the late SV racquets also drop the "midsize" writing on both sides of the throat and replace with the 80% graphite/20% kevlar designation?

What about the tension range? What does your SV state for the range? Both of mine... bumper and bumperless state 65-70 lbs... not 50-60 lbs.
 
I'm afraid I have a little error in my post above....

Just chkd on the phone with friend of mine who has a chicago and an sv ps 85, he advised neither has a bumper. He bought both new, says he bought the chicago in 84 when it first came out or just after......

Pulled mine out of the closet.

She has stickers inside the throat - one is grip size and says string at 55-65lbs the other has specs. She has midsize on outside of throat on both sides. Again, I recall buying it in about 87 or 88, looked in the pocket inside the case for a sales slip but it wasn't there....

I put my name on the buttcap when I bought it(I know, not good:() so I cannot read the codes.

I forgot I had her restrung at the end of last season with brand new nxt tour....kinda like finding a lost $20 bill.....can't remember what day it is anymore...:?

The hologram on my ks 85 says "wilson Quality"

None of this is really relevant to the crrt auction I guess just thought I would clarify....

I still think the crrt auction is the final version of the ps85 sv just before Wilson shipped inventory to Taiwan for completion.....

I still don't think it is worth a thousand bucks....

Be interested to hear other opinions.....
 
hrstrat57 said:
I'm afraid I have a little error in my post above....

Just chkd on the phone with friend of mine who has a chicago and an sv ps 85, he advised neither has a bumper. He bought both new, says he bought the chicago in 84 when it first came out or just after......

Pulled mine out of the closet.

She has stickers inside the throat - one is grip size and says string at 55-65lbs the other has specs. She has midsize on outside of throat on both sides. Again, I recall buying it in about 87 or 88, looked in the pocket inside the case for a sales slip but it wasn't there....

I put my name on the buttcap when I bought it(I know, not good:() so I cannot read the codes.

I forgot I had her restrung at the end of last season with brand new nxt tour....kinda like finding a lost $20 bill.....can't remember what day it is anymore...:?

The hologram on my ks 85 says "wilson Quality"

None of this is really relevant to the crrt auction I guess just thought I would clarify....

I still think the crrt auction is the final version of the ps85 sv just before Wilson shipped inventory to Taiwan for completion.....

I still don't think it is worth a thousand bucks....

Be interested to hear other opinions.....
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Does your PS have the trademark/reserved symbol below and to the right of the "W" on the butt cap?
 
Bud said:
Did the late SV racquets also drop the "midsize" writing on both sides of the throat and replace with the 80% graphite/20% kevlar designation?

What about the tension range? What does your SV state for the range? Both of mine... bumper and bumperless state 65-70 lbs... not 50-60 lbs.
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Hi again Bud, I put up the correction post at the same time you were posting these questions.....

I believe the late sv ps85's have identical graphics to the first taiwan's(I owned one briefly) and I recall those hvg midsize on one side and composition on the other. There is a fellow who was a at the muni I frequent who has a couple of the final version sv's, haven't seen him yet this year....if he shows up again I'll take a look at his rqts. Surely someone on the forum has a few, I expect they will chime in before / if I see that guy.....

My ks 85 has the midsize on one side and the composition on the other side, not that that means anything. It also as I said has the hologram. There are no stickers on the kramer staff, all the graphics are embossed. The tension range is 50-60.

My china(black buttcap, final version I believe, Chiao Ta) has 50-60 tension range on it. Again, it is an excellent racquet as well.

My sv as I said has 55-65 range, with a bumper installed.

I hope whoever spend $1000 on that stick strings it up and hits it.

Lotta money to hang her on the wall.
 
Bud said:
Does your PS have the trademark/reserved symbol below and to the right of the "W" on the butt cap?
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No, oddly enough, neither does the Kramer staff.....Kramer staff code is auq...sorry I can't read the code on my sv ps85
 
I sold two SVs last fall in 8.5+ condition. Too heavy, too stiff.

Though I loved it--my black scalpel.

Were the Taiwan versions lighter?
 
Bud said:
TThe grommet code on this one is the same as mine (1615 22D according to the auction owner). The SV with no headguard does not have a grommet code on it).
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Actually, they do have the 1615 22 D on them.

Here is a photo:

drakulie said:
Here are the photos of the bumperless grommets. Sorry if they are not too clear. They are in the original plastic bag, and I did not want to open it. Hopefully, everyone could see the 22D 1615:

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drakulie said:
Actually, they do have the 1615 22 D on them.

Here is a photo:
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The replacement grommets appear to... but I meant the stock grommets on my racquet... there is no grommet code on the bumperless SV grommets. I just double-checked and looked very carefully.
 
Sorry for asking a question that has probably been answered before. Can anybody explain to me which butt cap codes índicate that the racket came from st.vincent. mine is from china(manufactured by chiao ta) but still a great frame. Thanks
 
Bud said:
The replacement grommets appear to... but I meant the stock grommets on my racquet... there is no grommet code on the bumperless SV grommets. I just double-checked and looked very carefully.
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Some do, some don't. I have Chicago's and Vincents (bumperless) that have the code on them, and some don't.

With these frames, there are lots of variations. Some of my earlier Vincents have the sticker inside the throat that state 55-65 lbs, some say 50-60, and some 60-70.
 
gsquicksilver said:
there's one right now at the big auction site going for a grand. that is plain ridiculous.
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Anybody besides me think that may be counterfeit? It says St. Vincent, W.I. on the buttcap? C'mon now.

I bought a couple of lightly used Ultra 2s last year, and I've been wondering whether one is counterfeit, because the PWS lettering is a little bigger than it is on my other two..
 
Bud said:
Yes, my Kramer Staff also has the sticker. Did the PS SV 85 have that sticker, though?
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My recollection is that it did not....we're talking 20 yrs here now though:?....

My guess is the sticker dates from the last days of the sv mfg era....

Btw, I looked at the big site auction again, the marking/wording on the inside of the throat on that racquet(both sides) is identical to my KS 85
 
sixone90 said:
How can you tell if a PS85 came from SV or not?
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From: "quackr" of that really big auction site



These rackets are undoubtedly THE most popular non-wood players frames ever.

The Pro Staff 85 has been used by some of all-time great tennis pros including Chris Evert, Steffi Graf, Stefan Edberg and Pete Sampras.

Sampras used this racket throughout his professional career refusing all efforts by Wilson to get him to use newer models or at least make his racket look like a newer model through use of a paintjob on it.

Federer used this racket as well but it was disguised (paintjob) as a newer model.

These rackets were originally manufactured at Wilson's River Grove plant near Chicago.

In an effort to cut down on production costs, Wilson moved production to a new facility on St. Vincent Island in the West Indies.

Rackets made at this facility have been assigned mystical qualities by many players mainly because these were the only that Sampras would use.

It is unlikely that there is much difference in quality between the Chicago and St. Vincent versions other than the addition of bumper guards to the later St Vincent rackets.

In the early 90s, Wilson again moved production; this time to China, again undoubtedly to cut costs.

The early China versions had problems with quality control. Later versions are of higher quality but purists are mot convinced that they measure up to the Chicago or Saint Vincent rackets.

Below is a table showing, to the best of my knowledge, the different versions of the Pro Staff Midsize rackets and their distinguishing characteristics (also see legend below the table):

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Chronological order: order in which model was manufactured with respect to time

Legend for the Table above

"name"
PS = PRO STAFF
6.0 = PRO STAFF 6.0

"code location"
refers to the bottom or top of "W" on buttcap

"MIDSIZE"
written on outer edges of throat
x2 = writte on both sides
x1 = appears only on one side
85 = MIDSIZE 85

"origin"
SV = Saint Vincent Island, West Indies
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Yeah, what bonehead would buy a ***MINT*** PS85 SV for a G, and then actually play with it?

Come on pmerk34.. let's use some common sense here.

Something like this particular item is for collector's love, investment, sentimentality, etc.

Not for actual use. You want to hit with a PS85 SV, buy a used one for $75-$150.
 
Arafel said:
Anybody besides me think that may be counterfeit? It says St. Vincent, W.I. on the buttcap? C'mon now.

I bought a couple of lightly used Ultra 2s last year, and I've been wondering whether one is counterfeit, because the PWS lettering is a little bigger than it is on my other two..
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Ultra 2's went through a few font changes during their run, along with a plastic piece that extended the grip. It is probably legit.
 
Jack & Coke said:
From: "quackr" of that really big auction site
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That table needs amending. I have a SV, with a bumper, white butt cap - code ending in Q, no trademark symbol and tension range of 65-70 lbs.

Also have a bumperless with midsize written on both sides.
 
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