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THE TennisReporters.net NEWSLETTER: WEDNESDAY, DECemBER 15, No. 108
The Roddick-Gilbert split: Andy didn't train hard enough for Brad
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
U.S. tennis player Andy Roddick
Art Seitz
Andy Roddick reportedly decided to dump Brad Gilbert within the last few weeks.
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
U.S. tennis coach Brad Gilbert
Fred Mullane/Camerawork USA
Brad Gilbert was one of the tour's craftiest players.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
The Roddick-Gilbert split: Andy didn't train hard enough for Brad
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
U.S. tennis player Andy Roddick
Art Seitz
Andy Roddick reportedly decided to dump Brad Gilbert within the last few weeks.
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
U.S. tennis coach Brad Gilbert
Fred Mullane/Camerawork USA
Brad Gilbert was one of the tour's craftiest players.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
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The Roddick-Gilbert split: Andy didn't train hard enough for Brad
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
Art Seitz
Andy Roddick reportedly decided to dump Brad Gilbert within the last few weeks.
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
Fred Mullane/Camerawork USA
Brad Gilbert was one of the tour's craftiest players.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
The Roddick-Gilbert split: Andy didn't train hard enough for Brad
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
Art Seitz
Andy Roddick reportedly decided to dump Brad Gilbert within the last few weeks.
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
Fred Mullane/Camerawork USA
Brad Gilbert was one of the tour's craftiest players.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
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The Roddick-Gilbert split: Andy didn't train hard enough for Brad
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
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This contradicts what Mike Agassi said in an interview recently, where he complained that Gilbert did too much talking and not enough training. Andre would hit a ball, Brad would discuss it for ten minutes, then Andre would hit another ball. Andre would be lucky to hit 30 balls in an hour.
Perhaps Roddick needs someone who knows when to shut up and push him to train harder.
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
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This contradicts what Mike Agassi said in an interview recently, where he complained that Gilbert did too much talking and not enough training. Andre would hit a ball, Brad would discuss it for ten minutes, then Andre would hit another ball. Andre would be lucky to hit 30 balls in an hour.
Perhaps Roddick needs someone who knows when to shut up and push him to train harder.
Rickson
G.O.A.T.
The Roddick-Gilbert split: Andy didn't train hard enough for Brad
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
Art Seitz
Andy Roddick reportedly decided to dump Brad Gilbert within the last few weeks.
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
Fred Mullane/Camerawork USA
Brad Gilbert was one of the tour's craftiest players.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
Art Seitz
Andy Roddick reportedly decided to dump Brad Gilbert within the last few weeks.
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
Fred Mullane/Camerawork USA
Brad Gilbert was one of the tour's craftiest players.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
here ya go norcal..wouldnt normally do this, but this is a good article i think, and sure makes sense...so roddick is the only dude thinking he should be 20' behind the baseline <snip>
THE TennisReporters.net NEWSLETTER: WEDNESDAY, DECemBER 15, No. 108
The Roddick-Gilbert split: Andy didn't train hard enough for Brad
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
Art Seitz
Andy Roddick reportedly decided to dump Brad Gilbert within the last few weeks.
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
Fred Mullane/Camerawork USA
Brad Gilbert was one of the tour's craftiest players.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
<end snip>
THE TennisReporters.net NEWSLETTER: WEDNESDAY, DECemBER 15, No. 108
The Roddick-Gilbert split: Andy didn't train hard enough for Brad
Gilbert, Roddick's dad clashed severely; Andy wants to call his own shots now
By Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net
Art Seitz
Andy Roddick reportedly decided to dump Brad Gilbert within the last few weeks.
Andy Roddick fired Brad Gilbert for a number of reasons: His coach didn't get along with his father, Jerry; he wants to call his own shots with a more low key coach; the two couldn't come to terms on his training schedule or a financial contract.
Sources close to Roddick and Gilbert told TennisReporters.net Wednesday that Roddick decided during the Davis Cup final to part ways with Gilbert, who coached him to the '03 US Open title and the No. 1 ranking. Gilbert was surprised by the move, but not completely stunned, given that he had asked Roddick to change his December schedule and focus more on training, rather than charity events and exhibitions.
While Andy did make the call on the firing himself, Gilbert and Roddick's father, Jerry, did clash repeatedly over money and Andy's schedule. Although Jerry Roddick isn't overly involved in Roddick's on-court style or tactics, sources say he involves himself in every other aspect of his son's career.
"You have to go through Jerry to get things done," the source said. "Brad didn't want to do that and that's understandable because he's the coach, but the reality is that Jerry is very important to Andy and he trusts him. If you can't get along with the family, it's hard to coach a player."
The 22-year-old Roddick has also matured to the point where he wants to be in charge of his on-court play. "Andy wants to call his own shots," the source said. "Brad had great input into his game and obviously knows what he talking about, but Andy has an idea of where he wants to take his game. He needs someone who's willing to listen to him and take more of a backseat approach at times."
GILBERT WANTED RODDICK TO GET TO WORK
Gilbert had working on nailing down a formal contract for the past year and a half, but had been unable to come to terms with Jerry. Moreover, sources say, he wanted Roddick to spend more time retooling his game and less time hanging out with his friends at exhibitions. This week, Roddick is on a bus tour with his close friends Mardy Fish and the Bryan brothers.
Fred Mullane/Camerawork USA
Brad Gilbert was one of the tour's craftiest players.
"Brad sees what improvements Andy needs to make and feels he has to be willing to take two steps back to take one step forward," the source said. "Andy's worked on making improvements, but he still has a long way to go. He can't make those changes if he's not around to work with Brad in the off-season."
Because of Roddick's exhibition schedule, Gilbert only had four days to work with Andy during the 2003 off-season.
At times, Roddick is said to be willing to learn, but he can also be a very stubborn. His penchant for playing too far behind the baseline has driven all of his coaches mad.
"He is stubborn, which works in his favor as a competitor because he can't stand losing, but also works against him because sometimes he ignores advice," a source said.
Roddick is the midst of trying to work out a contract with US Davis Cup coach Dean Goldfine, who used to coach Todd Martin. Goldfine is easy to get along with, but is also willing to offer strong opinions if he doesn't like what his player is doing.
While the fast-talking duo got along well when they first started working together in the summer of 2003, Roddick and Gilbert's relationship apparently deteriorated during the past six months. Gilbert prefers to be around his players constantly, while Roddick is at the age where he prefers to spend a fair amount of his off-court time with his friends and the woman he happens to be dating.
Sources have told TR.net that the reason that Andre Agassi split with Gilbert back in 2002 was because Agassi's wife, former No. 1 Steffi Graf, didn't like the fact that Gilbert was constantly around and wanted more input into Andre's daily schedule.
Because he helped bring Agassi and Roddick to No. 1, Gilbert has a fair amount of coaching possibilities available to him. Taylor Dent appears to be on the market, and Gilbert might also begin working again with 16-year-old Tatiana Golovin, who he briefly tutored in 2002 and part of 2003.
<end snip>
ty slothrop
Semi-Pro
come on, everyone join in the pasting extravaganza!!!!!!!!
backhander
Rookie
that was an interesting read.
Before I read that, I had assumed that Roddick felt like Gilbert was no longer helping him as far as improving his game and that was why he let Gilbert go. If that was the case, then I think Roddick had made the right move even though Gilbert seemed to give Roddick a better idea of how to improve his game.
But from this article it seems they split more because of the relationship, which I don't think bodes well for Roddick. I mean I think this split will actually hurt Roddick now with the new year coming up. I kind of see a tough year for Roddick now. It was also interesting to hear how it drives Roddicks' coaches crazy to see him playing and returning a few feet behind the baseline.
Roddick keeps on touting that he's willing to learn more things and is accepting to listening to his coach, but I guess this kind of contradicts that. Honestly though, the guy is young but I think he's already at the age where improving his game is going to be tough, atleast improving it to a point where it would drastically change his game, ie serve and volleying more. Not sure if this was a good move on his part.
Before I read that, I had assumed that Roddick felt like Gilbert was no longer helping him as far as improving his game and that was why he let Gilbert go. If that was the case, then I think Roddick had made the right move even though Gilbert seemed to give Roddick a better idea of how to improve his game.
But from this article it seems they split more because of the relationship, which I don't think bodes well for Roddick. I mean I think this split will actually hurt Roddick now with the new year coming up. I kind of see a tough year for Roddick now. It was also interesting to hear how it drives Roddicks' coaches crazy to see him playing and returning a few feet behind the baseline.
Roddick keeps on touting that he's willing to learn more things and is accepting to listening to his coach, but I guess this kind of contradicts that. Honestly though, the guy is young but I think he's already at the age where improving his game is going to be tough, atleast improving it to a point where it would drastically change his game, ie serve and volleying more. Not sure if this was a good move on his part.
Camilio Pascual
Hall of Fame
Whatever the back and forth is about money, strategy, and over involvement with Andy & the family by Brad, one thing is clear to me. Andy being available for only four days during the 2003 off season for training is a tell tale of a lack of committment. Nothing wrong with that, it is his choice.
it was obviously a number of things, so was clearly the right move for roddick...i bet the driving force was that gilbert has never learned that it is appropriate to shut your pie hole from time to time...if you've ever seen him live as a coach in a practice session it's ridiculous.......blab blab blab..all he does is talk....if his player doesnt wish to and actually wants to practice and walks away, gilbert would try and talk to who ever was on the other side of the net...i've seen players just walk away from him because it's endless and relentless.....once, when nobody on court would engage him in conversation, he engaged someone watching the practice session..lol. i bet he is different in a practice session w. nobody around. the dude seems to be obsessed w. the attention and being heard.
anywho, it's refreshing to see some posters helping other posters by pasting this article, rather than trying to slam them or otherwise ridicule..maybe it's a trend around here..i hope so
anywho, it's refreshing to see some posters helping other posters by pasting this article, rather than trying to slam them or otherwise ridicule..maybe it's a trend around here..i hope so
bigserving
Hall of Fame
I would like to see Roddick be single minded about tennis for my own enjoyment. That being said, I think that a 21 year old kid who works hard, wins a major, and finishes the year ranked number one can do whatever he wants in the off season. He has earned the decision to make that choice.
Spending time with friends doing exos and charity events may help keep the kid grounded and avoid burnout. Roddick is a multi-millionaire and is financially set for life. Being around friends and giving a little back to the game could well be a sign of maturity for Andy.
BTW, I have always heard that it was Gilbert broke off the coaching relationship with Agassi.
Spending time with friends doing exos and charity events may help keep the kid grounded and avoid burnout. Roddick is a multi-millionaire and is financially set for life. Being around friends and giving a little back to the game could well be a sign of maturity for Andy.
BTW, I have always heard that it was Gilbert broke off the coaching relationship with Agassi.
thehustler
Semi-Pro
That's the difference between Roddick and Federer. Roddick spends all his time goofing off and Federer works on getting better. No wonder Fed is so much better than ARod. There's nothing wrong with spending time with family and friends if it keeps you grounded, but if you prefer that over improving your game you can't complain when you get your butt handed to you on a plate.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
NoBadMojo said:
I have the tape of the Agassi-Sampras 2001 USO QF and the commentators (one being Mac) are joking about the 9 or more empty seats all around Gilbert. Gill Reyes was listening to him with no apparent enjoyment or fun and the results were seen two months later when Brad was fired.
From the article, both of them seem to have problems:
- Brad with his talking (what will be his shelf time with any player?)
- ARod doesn not seem to want to train hard enough, his standards seem pretty low in this respect
Also, I didn't know, but the Roddick clan seems to be very influential in what he does. Just like Nick Philippoussis, Papa Seles, Papa Capriati and so on ... As a coach, you better beware.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Funny how EVERYONE cut and pasted the same article at the EXACT same time! LOL. :lol:
Don't think I've ever seen that happen before. Great timing, guys!! :wink: :lol: Perhaps you guys can form a new synchronized swimming team? LOL. :wink: :lol:
Don't think I've ever seen that happen before. Great timing, guys!! :wink: :lol: Perhaps you guys can form a new synchronized swimming team? LOL. :wink: :lol:
Datacipher
Banned
BreakPoint said:
That's what surprised me. I guess 10:01 am is THE time to be seen around here ;-)
arosen
Hall of Fame
Well, Roddick could not do the most important thing Gilbert wanted Andy to do: focus and not waste his energy on ******** to empire, linesmen etc. Whenever the going was getting tough, Andy was losing it. I like him, he is a party boy, fun to be around. However, he is going to lose in 2005. A lot. Reason? At the top of the game are the hardest working, most devoted people. Guys are busting their chops to be stronger, faster, more agressive. Andy better be doing the same.
i gotta disagree here...i think roddick is a hard worker..maybe a bit distracted by all the popularity, but look at the recent pic of him someone posted..the guy has like no fat now...he does work on his volleys even though he cant do it 
along with the rest of his game..i mean, give the guy a break...he's done well. i dont blame him for not wishing to obsessed with the tennis...he evidently sees more to life than that. as much as i dislike his game, he's a great competitor and i do think he works hard on his game and has gotten himeslf into primo condition..i cant think of any matches where he lost due to lack of conditioning..he's just not as good athletically as some of the other guys..
along with the rest of his game..i mean, give the guy a break...he's done well. i dont blame him for not wishing to obsessed with the tennis...he evidently sees more to life than that. as much as i dislike his game, he's a great competitor and i do think he works hard on his game and has gotten himeslf into primo condition..i cant think of any matches where he lost due to lack of conditioning..he's just not as good athletically as some of the other guys..
Phil
Hall of Fame
Sounds to me like he dumped Gilbert because, besides the money issue, he wants to loaf around more and not worry about someone who is paid to coach him, actually coaching him (i.e. telling him what's best for his game-). If he wants a "Yes" man-someone who will just go along, then I'm availble for the same fee Gilbert was getting. I'll take the job!
Most pros cannot make the kind of commitment to the game that Agassi or Sampras have-basically, those guys placed tennis before everything else in their lives, and their results showed. I'm sure Gilbert was disappointed in his charge, and Roddick was probably annoyed that Gilbert expected him to commit to the same level as Agassi-everyone is different, but you'll always be able to see the differences between these players by the # of Slams they've won.
Most pros cannot make the kind of commitment to the game that Agassi or Sampras have-basically, those guys placed tennis before everything else in their lives, and their results showed. I'm sure Gilbert was disappointed in his charge, and Roddick was probably annoyed that Gilbert expected him to commit to the same level as Agassi-everyone is different, but you'll always be able to see the differences between these players by the # of Slams they've won.
Nobadmojo, I did see that pic you were talking about but shedding weight doesn't always equate hard work at the court. I saw Andy practicing at the US Open this year and that one time he was just goofing off with Brad. There was no pattern or aim. He was even at times hitting with his left arm. I know it was just one session but it was a very stark contrast to Agassi practicing on the adjacent court with Cahill. About the weight issue, I still think he needs to lose more from seeing him upclose. He needs to get rid of some junk (from the trunk). Seems like he concentrates more on upper body conditioning. Also, I still think he stands too far back from the baseline(which was mentioned in the article).
i dont think anyone can get to number1 without working really hard..especially someone like roddick who doesnt have the skillset or natural abilities of many others.. altho i am amazed someone can go so far on a serve and a waning forehand. as far as the practice sessions go, lots of players just hit in between matches to keep loose and sharp and have a light hit as opposed to a grueling intense workout...especially if they have a match later that day or at night. unless they need to fix some specific probs. i think you guys are hard on roddick in this respect, and i say again, i dont think he has ever been adversly affected in a match by lack of conditioning..the dude is also certainly physically strong enough. he's a kid..he should be able to have some fun out there...a dorky one i'll give you
kreative
Hall of Fame
from federer:
Q: When you are training, how much time do you actually spend on a tennis court with a racket in your hands, in relation to jogging, fitness studio, etc.?
A: It really depends. At tournaments I am basically only on the tennis court. In December 2003, when I didn’t play any matches, for example, one week was filled with pure fitness training, one week 50/50 and one just tennis
Q: When you are training, how much time do you actually spend on a tennis court with a racket in your hands, in relation to jogging, fitness studio, etc.?
A: It really depends. At tournaments I am basically only on the tennis court. In December 2003, when I didn’t play any matches, for example, one week was filled with pure fitness training, one week 50/50 and one just tennis
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