New Stringer Coming/ What Reel to Buy

Discussion in 'Strings' started by JoshTheLMT, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    I’ve got a cheap Gamma drop weight Stringer coming in the next couple days. I’m cheap, so here’s my issue; I’m looking for a cheaper reel to practice with, but I can’t stand wasting something that isn’t broken. I’m looking for advise on which reel to buy. I recently got two Prince 100Ps, and they have Tecnifibre Multi-Feel 16g at 46lbs mains and 50lbs crosses. I really enjoyed hitting with it. I’m a strong 3.5/inconsistent (fitness I think) 4.0. I’m a baseliner, with a “whippy” forehand and 2H backhand. I’m not worried about durability so much, as I’m trying to get practice stringing with the reel too. Thanks in advance for any help.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    #1
  2. CopolyX

    CopolyX Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2014
    Messages:
    3,684
    Location:
    Pelham NH
    Copoly or Sync Gut, would you like to practice on?
    TW has cheapies on both around 30 bucks - 40 bucks ..
     
    mctennis and JoshTheLMT like this.
    #2
  3. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Didn’t even think of that. I should get one of each. I’m guessing they have different stringing characteristics too. Thanks!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    #3
  4. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Didn’t even think of that. I should get one of each. I’m guessing they have different stringing characteristics too. Thanks!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    #3
  5. esgee48

    esgee48 Legend

    Joined:
    May 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,147
    Location:
    SF CA
    Get a reel of OGSM or Forten Sweet, either in 16 Ga. Use it for crosses when you decide on your mains.
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2017
    #4
  6. Traffic

    Traffic Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2017
    Messages:
    2,033
    The only reel of string I have is OGSM.
     
    LocNetMonster and JoshTheLMT like this.
    #5
  7. JOSHL

    JOSHL Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2016
    Messages:
    716
    Location:
    SoCal
    OGSM all day.
     
    LocNetMonster and JoshTheLMT like this.
    #6
  8. jim e

    jim e Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    5,012
    Since you said you do not like wasting anything, then why don't you just order what you typically hit with?
    Since you will be stringing for yourself, you will already be saving.
    If you insist on practicing with a cheaper string, then get a single set of a cheap string to start, but if you go to a different string and do not like results you will not know if it is your stringing or the different string that caused the issue.
    Also since your 1st time stringing why not start with some single sets 1st as not all reels save much in long run, depends on string purchased, especially when there are deals on purchasing a few string sets there are sales at times where by # get 1 free deals if you look.
    The Multi feel you now hit with, TW has sale if purchase a few sets its only $7.48/ set and that's reasonable for a multifilament
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2017
    Traffic likes this.
    #7
  9. SavvyStringer

    SavvyStringer Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2017
    Messages:
    118
    Location:
    South Carolina
    For strict practice: the cheapest thing you can find. If you're just wanting to bang out some rackets for practice that is probably a cheap nylon. Nylon isn't great but it would probably be fun to play with for a set.
    Really, I agree with the others above. You should order what you want to play with. That way you can test it to see how well you strung it. Just keep in mind its all about consistency. You can be consistently bad or consistently good, it doesn't actually matter as long as you're consistent.
     
    #8
  10. Traffic

    Traffic Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2017
    Messages:
    2,033
    Very good advice. I think I ordered a few cheap sgut and multis for my first stringing. On an old racquet that my brother in law had laying around, I used some of free strings that came with my machine.
     
    JoshTheLMT likes this.
    #9
  11. fullwesternforehand

    fullwesternforehand Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2016
    Messages:
    135
    Forten nylon is 17 bucks a reel, comes out to a dollar for a full bed in a racket. That is good to practice on since it is dirt cheap. For poly I'd recommend Isospeed Baseline, 40 bucks a reel. Seems to be a good all around comfortable poly, and you can cut out or restring as you please due to price and your own stringer. Hope this helps :D
     
    #10
  12. Muppet

    Muppet Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2011
    Messages:
    4,465
    Location:
    Boston
    Don't get the black in the Forten Nylon. It'll get all over your clamps and hands.
     
    JoshTheLMT likes this.
    #11
  13. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Decided to get a reel of the Gosen Sheep 16g. I also realized that I have about 7+ sets of random strings that I’ve accumulated in a tennis bag in my closet, AND that’s where I found a couple old racquets to practice on too! [​IMG]

    Thanks for the advise/suggestions.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2017
    Traffic likes this.
    #12
  14. fuzz nation

    fuzz nation G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    10,055
    That Babolat Xcel is a sort of premium multifiber, so I'd keep that stashed away until you need it for a decent layout. If you want to keep an affordable string on hand that's rather soft, I recommend a few sets of Forten Sweet - a syn. gut that's soft enough to take the place of some multis.

    Gosen OGSM 16 is my go-to option for a cross when I do basic poly hybrids for some of my "clients". It's a great call for practicing your stringing craft, since it's also a nicely playable string - slightly more firm than some syn. guts, but not as inherently firm as tournament nylon that I've recently used (Forten, Ashaway Liberty).

    That Gosen is also not quite as firm as syn. guts like your Gamma SG with WearGuard or Prince SG with Duraflex. If you try those Gamma sets in your own racquets, consider dropping a pound or two of tension compared with what you prefer with the Gosen.

    You may also find that a lighter 17 ga. string gives you better feel in a dense-pattern frame like the LM Radical compared with a 16 ga. alternative. I generally string my own racquets - 16x19 open-pattern Volkls - with 17 ga. syn. gut for what seems to be "better" feel and performance, but feel is a very subjective animal as you'll find out in your adventures to come. My current favorite string is Kirschbaum's standard SG, which I stock in reels of 16 and 17 ga. Tried their premium SG in 16 and 17 ga., but didn't notice any significant difference... aside from the price tag.

    Enjoy!!
     
    JoshTheLMT likes this.
    #13
  15. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Finished my first string job. Used the old Volkl Quantum V1 OS, and the Prince Topspin Plus 16ga. It took about an hour. It would’ve been less, but I was having an issue doing the fisherman’s knot for the cross starting knot. [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Faris likes this.
    #14
  16. Faris

    Faris Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2016
    Messages:
    439
    Location:
    DC
    very nice josh!!!! Is fisherman knot same as "bulky" starting cross knot on top which most guys keep referring to in youtube vids??? Where you go along mains go round twice and then pull both loops and pass the string through those loops?? (hope tht makes sense..)
     
    #15
  17. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    @Faris
    Yep! That’s the one.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Faris likes this.
    #16
  18. Faris

    Faris Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2016
    Messages:
    439
    Location:
    DC
    awesome!! Ive been learning 2 piece so far watching youtube and my stringer arrives friday so I'll be ready I think...i only foresee tying knots as an issue..i feel like i'll mess up somewhere pass it through wrong hole or use a skip accidentally lol...

    You got the same stringer as me I'm guessing. Gamma progression 200?
     
    #17
  19. esgee48

    esgee48 Legend

    Joined:
    May 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,147
    Location:
    SF CA
    @JoshTheLMT : Your dampener is suppose to be outside the last mains or above/below the crosses. You may want to look up how to make the Pro Knot - smaller finishing knot. The 2nd 1/2 hitch of the DHH could be tighter, but not bad for a 1st try.
     
    #18
  20. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    I’m confused as to the dampener issue? Thanks for the other tips though.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    #19
  21. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    That’s how I’ve been learning too. YouTube has been a godsend for sure! Yep, the base model $185 one.

    On a side note: stringing up 17g RPM Blast in the dense patterned LM Radical OS, was a PAIN IN THE &$@! I tried using the same half and half two piece stringing method. I ended up having to tie both mains to scrap strings, to get just enough length to pull the last mains. Not to mention everything was more difficult to pull, tie knots, thread through crosses. I’m glad I tried a soft nylon in a 16x19 pattern racquet for my first run. Lol


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Faris likes this.
    #20
  22. gmatheis

    gmatheis Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2010
    Messages:
    1,734
    The dampener can only be surrounded by 3 strings not 4, so to be compliant with the rules you have to move it below that bottom cross string.
     
    JoshTheLMT likes this.
    #21
  23. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Oh! Actual,official, rules. Gotcha. I don’t play any tournaments, so I keep it there usually, as it stops it from flying out better.

    If I ever start playing “officially”, I am screwed though. I use a worm type dampener in my main racquets. ☹️

    Never mind: The rule states that it must be place outside of the pattern of the cross strings. So my worm dampener, under the bottom cross, is fine.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2017
    #22
  24. CosmosMpower

    CosmosMpower Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2014
    Messages:
    971
    Yep poly in a dense pattern sucks I hate stringing my 95 18x20 with 1.30 poly
     
    #23
  25. mpournaras

    mpournaras Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2009
    Messages:
    1,349
    Location:
    Middle of Somewhere
    TIE THOSE TIGHTER AHHHH

    Pull the string with your clamp out and up in a semi circle motion to pull that second loop on the tie off super tight.

    the Parnell knot double cinch will heal you my son.
     
    Shroud, NuBas and JoshTheLMT like this.
    #24
  26. Faris

    Faris Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2016
    Messages:
    439
    Location:
    DC
    For me, i had a hard time with the knots..took me a while to figure out how skips worked (7T and 7H) kept using them and ending up with crazy amount of mains lol overall about an hour and 5 minutes to string it up. I will practice again tomorrow...so many questions about stringing like what if the weight rod is not exactly parallel to the table and is a little high or low, or how come the gripper has sand paper type of stuff inside so when it grabs the string it leaves marks on the string etc that can def damage string and more prone to breakage when playing..
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2017
    JoshTheLMT likes this.
    #25
  27. Shroud

    Shroud G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2013
    Messages:
    11,755
    Location:
    Bay Area
    Nice job! One hour first try is awesome. Still takes me well over!

    Also you can skip the starting knot if its a challenge.

    Weave the top 2 crosses and pull tension on both strings. Bet you have flying clamps. Clamp both strings furthest from the tensioner and release tension. This sets the clamp for you. Now pull the top cross then clamp and tie off with a finishing knot. Now pull the 2nd cross and move down the racquet like normal.
     
    #26
  28. fuzz nation

    fuzz nation G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    10,055
    Keep up the good work - and stay patient. The time it takes to knock out a complete job is nothing to get hung up on until after you've done maybe six or eight stringings. After that you'll start to do things a lot more automatically as you develop a routine and "flow". One thing that comes with some experience is the ability to anticipate little quirks or speed bumps that can hold us up. After a couple run-ins with this and that, you'll be able to spot little issues in any racquet before you even start installing any string.

    I know you've been keeping your costs down as you get your stringing endeavors off the ground, but one more purchase I'll strongly recommend if you don't have one yet is a starting clamp. I put off getting one for way too long after I started out and literally needed it the very day it showed up with a shipment from TW. It's great for lots of things, including making a bridge to your tensioner when the last main or cross comes out too short to reach it.

    As for that bruising on the strings from the tensioner, I don't think that's a major problem, but some of our more experienced pals will probably weigh in on that. I string on a Gamma Prog. II ELS and get a little of that bruising, too. It hasn't killed any of my string jobs as far as I know - seems to be only a bit of an aesthetic bummer.
     
    Faris likes this.
    #27
  29. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    I definitely second the starting clamp advise. I haven’t gotten mine yet (it’s coming Friday), but it only took me 4 string jobs to realize it would be a big help.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Faris likes this.
    #28
  30. Faris

    Faris Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2016
    Messages:
    439
    Location:
    DC
    Just ordered a starting clamp and get it Monday....thanks fuzz and josh
     
    JoshTheLMT likes this.
    #29
  31. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Thanks for the tip! Now my 6th attempt. Used three Parnell knots, and a reverse version of the original starting knot I learned. Same two loops, but then you run the string back towards the frame. [​IMG]


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    #30
  32. JoshTheLMT

    JoshTheLMT New User

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    [​IMG]


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    mctennis, Imago and wedgepm like this.
    #31
  33. mpournaras

    mpournaras Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2009
    Messages:
    1,349
    Location:
    Middle of Somewhere
    *claps emoji*

    THose knots are perfect my dude!
     
    mctennis and JoshTheLMT like this.
    #32
  34. JetFlyr

    JetFlyr Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    Messages:
    266
    Those knots look perfect, and the tails are the right length, too. Well done!
     
    JoshTheLMT likes this.
    #33

Share This Page