2017 Medium FastBoth players have been doing better on medium-fast courts nowadays. Nadal was actually better on hard courts than clay last year and Djokovic seems to prefer the quicker hard courts to the slower ones (Shanghai, Paris, AO compared to IW, Miami).
What is laykold ?? why is it so fast ? i thought all surfaces can be made slow and they were going to make US open slower this year ? no wonder RAFA didn't play. this is great chance for Tsitsipas and Raonic
My apologies if there’s a thread on this already, but this year’s USO will be interesting. From watching some matches at ‘Cincy’, it looks fairly quick.
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Maybe the USTA took Nadal winning as a sign the courts aren't fast enough. If the King of Clay wins there easily it is too slow and they want to see more attacking tennis?I’ve heard these same comments last year.
"The court is fast and low bouncing!"
"Ideal for Djokovic and Federer!"
"Nadal is in trouble!"
We know how it all ended.
Any numbers for AO 2018 and 2019? Those were the same surfaces as the 2017 edition so I’d be surprised if they were different. Very interested to see that Cincinnati isn’t on this list as it’s probably faster than many of the tournaments listed. Probably the balls.2017 Medium Fast
AO (CPI 42) Winner Federer
Shanghai (CPI 42.9) Winner Federer
Nitto ATP Finals (CPI 42.1) Winner Dimitrov
2018 Medium Fast
Shanghai (CPI 40.2) Winner Djokovic
Nitto ATP Finals (CPI 40.3) Winner Zverev
2019 Medium Fast
Canada (CPI 42.8) Winner Nadal
Shanghai (CPI 40.9) Winner Medvedev
Paris (CPI 40.6) Winner Djokovic
Nitto ATP finals (CPI 41.6) Tsitsipas
Incorrect, atp and itf want slugfests with iconic players of years past on main courts. Slowing these stadium courts down to keep the star matchups of Federer Vs Nadal Alive. They want medvedev and company who more often play on the outer courts and whose talent is closer to the mean in terms of standard deviation separation to have the advantage over a journeyman who could potentially outslug them if the courts are slow. They want this player to meet Djokovic etc in the quarters on courts 1,2,3 where things are slowed down to create longer points for tv , for Nielsen ratings which enables better bargaining power with advertisersother way around. more upsets in faster conditions. that's why the center courts, where the top guys play, were slowed down relatively more.
outer courts have always played faster in recent years, so we'll still have to wait.
indeed. on a faster court it's easier for him to upset a top player. (not talking about actual fast low bouncing as that's not relevant nowadays.)LOL,, what about serve bombers like Raonic ?? don't they have unfair advantage
LOL. What a ridiculous post.LOL,, what about serve bombers like Raonic ?? don't they have unfair advantage
LOL. What a ridiculous post.
People aren't born with a great Serve. A great Serve is the product of years and years of practice and refinement. A player who has a great Serve has earned the right to take advantage of it. The Serve is pretty much the only CLOSED skill in the sport - the only skill the player has virtually total control over. Why should a court surface negate that?
If there is concern the Serve influences the game too much, then there is a simple solution. Only allow one Serve to start a point. (This would encourage players to place more focus on developing a good Serve ... and would shorten the duration of most Tennis matches.)
I don't understand this. How many Serve boys have won Paris of early 2010s ,Cincinnati and Dubai or AO 2016 onwards? Did we not have great matches on those courts? Heck which servebot even made semis?Fast surfaces promote serve bots and S&V which makes for faster matches.
You have answered your own unintentional question.Slow Hard courts are absolutely the way to go. Fast surfaces promote serve bots and S&V which makes for faster matches. I think the USTA is trying to keep things moving faster this year since it is about the TV audience.