New top5 best rankings by year

[Lew II]

1999 - 7 (#1 Kafelnikov, Moya, Rafter, #2 Corretja, #4 Krajicek, Martin, Enqvist)
2000 - 5 (#1 Safin, Kuerten, #2 Norman, #4 Kiefer, #5 Pioline)
2001 - 1 (#1 Hewitt)
2002 - 4 (#2 Haas, #4 Grosjean, Henman, #5 Novak)
2003 - 2 (#1 Ferrero, Roddick)
2004 - 3 (#1 Federer, #3 Coria, #5 Schuettler)
2005 - 1 (#5 Gaudio)
2006 - 5 (#3 Davydenko, Ljubicic, Nalbandian, #4 Blake, #5 Robredo)
2007 - 1 (#5 Gonzalez)
2008 - 1 (#1 Nadal)
2009 - 0
2010 - 1 (#4 Soderling)
2011 - 1 (#1 Djokovic)
2012 - 1 (#5 Tsonga)
2013 - 1 (#3 Ferrer)
2014 - 1 (#3 Wawrinka)
2015 - 2 (#4 Berdych, Nishikori)
2016 - 2 (#1 Murray, #3 Raonic)
2017 - 3 (#3 Dimitrov, Zverev, #4 Thiem)
2018 - 3 (#3 Cilic, Del Potro, #5 Anderson)
2019 - 2 (#4 Medvedev, #5 Tsitsipas)

1999-2006 new top5 per year --> 3.5
2007-2014 new top5 per year --> 0.9
2015-2019 new top5 per year --> 2.4

From 2007 to 2014 it was much harder to reach a high ranking

 

[weakera]

Lol at 2003-2006. A complete joke of an era.

 

[Lew II]

Seeing that Kiefer has a higher best ranking than Tsonga is depressing.

 

[tennisaddict]

Seeing Ferrer and Wawrinka , who were fringe players languishing in the 15's and 25th in rank in 2005-10 but suddenly becoming multiple slam titles and slam finals has the the gift of this decade.

Now add Fognini, Isner , Monfils and all other jokers and we can see how the last 5-6 yeas have played out.

 

[NatF]

Lol at 2003-2006. A complete joke of an era.

Only 2006 stands out as abnormal but don't let that distract you from your agenda

 

[Lew II]

What if we stick to new top-2 b.r.?

1998 - 2 (#1 Rios, #2 Korda)
1999 - 4 (#1 Kafelnikov, Moya, Rafter, #2 Corretja)
2000 - 3 (#1 Safin, Kuerten, #2 Norman)
2001 - 1 (#1 Hewitt)
2002 - 1 (#2 Haas)
2003 - 2 (#1 Ferrero, Roddick)
2004 - 1 (#1 Federer)
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 0
2008 - 1 (#1 Nadal)
2009 - 0
2010 - 0
2011 - 1 (#1 Djokovic)
2012 - 0
2013 - 0
2014 - 0
2015 - 0
2016 - 1 (#1 Murray)
2017 - 0
2018 - 0
2019 - 0

1998-2004 new top2 per year --> 2
2005-2019 new top2 per year --> 0.2

 

[weakera]

Only 2006 stands out as abnormal but don't let that distract you from your agenda

Each of the years is a known joke

 

[RS]

1999 - 7 (#1 Kafelnikov, Moya, Rafter, #2 Corretja, #4 Krajicek, Martin, Enqvist)
2000 - 5 (#1 Safin, Kuerten, #2 Norman, #4 Kiefer, #5 Pioline)
2001 - 1 (#1 Hewitt)
2002 - 4 (#2 Haas, #4 Grosjean, Henman, #5 Novak)
2003 - 2 (#1 Ferrero, Roddick)
2004 - 3 (#1 Federer, #3 Coria, #5 Schuettler)
2005 - 1 (#5 Gaudio)
2006 - 5 (#3 Davydenko, Ljubicic, Nalbandian, #4 Blake, #5 Robredo)
2007 - 1 (#5 Gonzalez)
2008 - 1 (#1 Nadal)
2009 - 0
2010 - 1 (#4 Soderling)
2011 - 1 (#1 Djokovic)
2012 - 1 (#5 Tsonga)
2013 - 1 (#3 Ferrer)
2014 - 1 (#3 Wawrinka)
2015 - 2 (#4 Berdych, Nishikori)
2016 - 2 (#1 Murray, #3 Raonic)
2017 - 3 (#3 Dimitrov, Zverev, #4 Thiem)
2018 - 3 (#3 Cilic, Del Potro, #5 Anderson)
2019 - 2 (#4 Medvedev, #5 Tsitsipas)

1999-2006 new top5 per year --> 3.5
2007-2014 new top5 per year --> 0.9
2015-2019 new top5 per year --> 2.4

From 2007 to 2014 it was much harder to reach a high ranking

Nadal won 12 slams in that timeframe.

 

[NatF]

Each of the years is a known joke

Known to Nadaphiles like yourself perhaps.

 

[RS]

Only 2006 stands out as abnormal but don't let that distract you from your agenda

Why do think 2003 was better than 2006?

 

[NatF]

Why do think 2003 was better than 2006?

Ferrero and Roddick both great players, don't think it reflects badly on the year they both hit #1.

I distinguish between good players improving and hitting their best ranking and other players declining and leaving spots open for less talented players to fill.

The top 4 in 2003 was very good imo.

 

[Lew II]

2017 - 3 (#3 Dimitrov, Zverev, #4 Thiem)
2018 - 3 (#3 Cilic, Del Potro, #5 Anderson)
2019 - 2 (#4 Medvedev, #5 Tsitsipas)

1999-2006 new top5 per year --> 3.5
2007-2014 new top5 per year --> 0.9
2015-2019 new top5 per year --> 2.4

From 2007 to 2014 it was much harder to reach a high ranking

Zverev, Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas will probably reach a higher ranking, so it's not really fair to include them.

Without them it's

2017 - 1
2018 - 3
2019 - 0

 

[RS]

Ferrero and Roddick both great players, don't think it reflects badly on the year they both hit #1.

I distinguish between good players improving and hitting their best ranking and other players declining and leaving spots open for less talented players to fill.

The top 4 in 2003 was very good imo.

2006 had a very good top 2 both better than anybody in 03 to me. 3/4 bring it down probably the worst 3 to 4 in recent times. I felt 2003 had a great race to number one but the top were not as dominant which helped more pla. Roddick was as good in 2004 if not better but Federer got better.
2006 did have players dropping off true like Ferrero and Roddick and then Safin and Hewitt from the year before and 2004. And 2003 had rising players but also a number of past ATGs falling or leaving the game.

 

[NatF]

2006 had a very good top 2 both better than anybody in 03 to me. 3/4 bring it down probably the worst 3 to 4 in recent times. I felt 2003 had a great race to number one but the top were not as dominant which helped more pla. Roddick was as good in 2004 if not better but Federer got better.
2006 did have players dropping off true like Ferrero and Roddick and then Safin and Hewitt from the year before and 2004. And 2003 had rising players but also a number of past ATGs falling or leaving the game.

Top 2 better in 2006, 3&4 better in 2003 and rest of the top 10 better in 2003 as well.

For me 2003 was last prime'ish level year from Agassi, you had Coria, Moya and Nalbandian (better than 06 imo) playing well too and then the young new balls gen coming into its own. Good year imo. Some one sided finals in slams but that's partly due to the winners level.

 

[Tostao80]

Seeing Ferrer and Wawrinka , who were fringe players languishing in the 15's and 25th in rank in 2005-10 but suddenly becoming multiple slam titles and slam finals has the the gift of this decade.

Now add Fognini, Isner , Monfils and all other jokers and we can see how the last 5-6 yeas have played out.

Really? You use Wawa as a measure of a poor era. Name 5 players with a higher peak on either clay or hard between 00 and 04? You won't.

 

[tennisaddict]

Really? You use Wawa as a measure of a poor era. Name 5 players with a higher peak on either clay or hard between 00 and 04? You won't.

If he had a higher peak he should not have languished in the 20's ranking until the Tsonga,Berdych,Murray,Delpo and a bunch of others had to clear the way for him.

 

[Tostao80]

If he had a higher peak he should not have languished in the 20's ranking until the Tsonga,Berdych,Murray,Delpo and a bunch of others had to clear the way for him.

What does higher peak have anything to do with ranking? Answer the question, name 5 with a higher peak on clay/ grass in that 00 to 04 era. You won't.

 

[Tostao80]

If he had a higher peak he should not have languished in the 20's ranking until the Tsonga,Berdych,Murray,Delpo and a bunch of others had to clear the way for him.

Lets go further, how many clay players in 00 to 04 can do what Wawa did to Novak at RG 15?

 

[tennisaddict]

Lets go further, how many clay players in 00 to 04 can do what Wawa did to Novak at RG 15?

He got lucky that the field is not as strong as what it was during the prior decade.

 

[helterskelter]

What an incredibly weird stat to mention with regard to this agenda. It measures fluctuation in the rankings, not the quality of the players.

 

[Tostao80]

He got lucky that the field is not as strong as what it was during the prior decade.

You're not good at answering questions. How many clay players do what Wawa did to Novak RG 15? There must be a few surely?

 

[tennisaddict]

You're not good at answering questions. How many clay players do what Wawa did to Novak RG 15? There must be a few surely?

He wouldn't be playing finals in a strong era.

 

[Tostao80]

He got lucky that the field is not as strong as what it was during the prior decade.

Marianno Peurta made a RG final in the previous decade. Are you telling us that he was a better clay player than Wawa, that 05 Peurta would beat 15 Novak?
You think Ferrer of 13 beats the Novak of 15?

 

[tennisaddict]

Marianno Peurta made a RG final in the previous decade. Are you telling us that he was a better clay player than Wawa, that 05 Peurta would beat 15 Novak?
You think Ferrer of 13 beats the Novak of 15?

I am saying Stan was worthless in a competitive era.

 

[Tostao80]

I am saying Stan was worthless in a competitive era.

And i reply, you think that Peurta and 2005 were part of a competitive era? Or will you move goalposts?

 

[tennisaddict]

And i reply, you think that Peurta and 2005 were part of a competitive era? Or will you move goalposts?

That era was tough. Puerta could not make it to 4 major finals like Stan could after languishing for the most part of his peak tennis age.

 

[Tostao80]

That era was tough. Puerta could not make it to 4 major finals like Stan could after languishing for the most part of his peak tennis age.

You are really comparing Mariano Peurto to Stan Wawrinka? The guy whos won 3 major finals, all against Nadal and Novak? Who did Puerta ever beat in Slams that matches that?

 

[tennisaddict]

You are really comparing Mariano Peurto to Stan Wawrinka? The guy whos won 3 major finals, all against Nadal and Novak? Who did Puerta ever beat in Slams that matches that?

We don't know for sure. We have to put Puerta in this decade and see how it plays out.

But we do know Stan was a fringe player.

 

[Tostao80]

We don't know for sure. We have to put Puerta in this decade and see how it plays out.

But we do know Stan was a fringe player.

Just out of curiosity, can you please tell us Mariano Puertas achievements that would make you think he could beat Novak and Rafa in 3 Slam finals? What big titles did he win? What was his pedigree?

 

[Tostao80]

We don't know for sure. We have to put Puerta in this decade and see how it plays out.

But we do know Stan was a fringe player.

Didnt you say earlier that 05 to 14 was the strong era? Didnt Stan beat Novak and Rafa to win a Slam in 14?

 

[tennisaddict]

Just out of curiosity, can you please tell us Mariano Puertas achievements that would make you think he could beat Novak and Rafa in 3 Slam finals? What big titles did he win? What was his pedigree?

He competed in a strong era , so one could not imagine making finals left and right unless you had talent. If you are just solid but not a great player, then you stay in the 20's like Stan.

 

[Third Serve]

He competed in a strong era , so one could not imagine making finals left and right unless you had talent. If you are just solid but not a great player, then you stay in the 20's like Stan.

Oh, come on. Stan’s Slam wins are some of the toughest in the modern era. Are you actually trying to put Puerta on a higher level?

 

[ThiemPlayer]

From 2007-14 was it harder to each a higher ranking or the field was just too weak to accomplish it?

 

[Robert F]

Weird that it took Murray so long to get into the top 5. Same with Berdych. Shows that even if you are top 10, top 5 is even another level to break into.

 

[KINGROGER]

Each of the years is a known joke

Only to moron weak era trolls like yourself.

 

[Tostao80]

He competed in a strong era , so one could not imagine making finals left and right unless you had talent. If you are just solid but not a great player, then you stay in the 20's like Stan.

You didnt answer the question. What did Mariano Puerta achieve in his career for you to think he could beat 2 of the 3 greatest players in history in 3 Slam finals? Who did he beat in the Slams back then that was better than the Novak and Rafa that Stan beat?

 

[Tostao80]

He competed in a strong era , so one could not imagine making finals left and right unless you had talent. If you are just solid but not a great player, then you stay in the 20's like Stan.

A strong era? Tim Henman made the semis at RG in 04. Martin Willem Verkerk reached the final of the French Open in 2003, which he lost to Spaniard Juan Carlos Ferrero. Along the way, he beat Željko Krajan, Luis Horna, Vince Spadea and Rainer Schüttler.
That list of players make a strong era?

 

[tennisaddict]

A strong era? Tim Henman made the semis at RG in 04. Martin Willem Verkerk reached the final of the French Open in 2003, which he lost to Spaniard Juan Carlos Ferrero. Along the way, he beat Željko Krajan, Luis Horna, Vince Spadea and Rainer Schüttler.
That list of players make a strong era?

Stan was not good enough to be in the top 15-20 then.

 

[Lew II]

Weird that it took Murray so long to get into the top 5. Same with Berdych. Shows that even if you are top 10, top 5 is even another level to break into.

They were top5 way before 2015-16. This is just the best ranking.

 

[Tostao80]

Stan was not good enough to be in the top 15-20 then.

Whats that got to do with whether 00 to 04 was a strong era? Ive given you a list of names that played in the French in that era. Martin Verkeks final and Tim Henmans semi. Youre defending them as being part of a strong era. Wawa is far better than those players. Unless you disagree?

 

[tennisaddict]

Whats that got to do with whether 00 to 04 was a strong era? Ive given you a list of names that played in the French in that era. Martin Verkeks final and Tim Henmans semi. Youre defending them as being part of a strong era. Wawa is far better than those players. Unless you disagree?

Wawa was not good enough between 2003-12 , the strong era.

 

[Tostao80]

Wawa was not good enough between 2003-12 , the strong era.

Lol. The era of Roddick as world number 1. Why dont you go further back to 2001.

 

[travlerajm]

1999 - 7 (#1 Kafelnikov, Moya, Rafter, #2 Corretja, #4 Krajicek, Martin, Enqvist)
2000 - 5 (#1 Safin, Kuerten, #2 Norman, #4 Kiefer, #5 Pioline)
2001 - 1 (#1 Hewitt)
2002 - 4 (#2 Haas, #4 Grosjean, Henman, #5 Novak)
2003 - 2 (#1 Ferrero, Roddick)
2004 - 3 (#1 Federer, #3 Coria, #5 Schuettler)
2005 - 1 (#5 Gaudio)
2006 - 5 (#3 Davydenko, Ljubicic, Nalbandian, #4 Blake, #5 Robredo)
2007 - 1 (#5 Gonzalez)
2008 - 1 (#1 Nadal)
2009 - 0
2010 - 1 (#4 Soderling)
2011 - 1 (#1 Djokovic)
2012 - 1 (#5 Tsonga)
2013 - 1 (#3 Ferrer)
2014 - 1 (#3 Wawrinka)
2015 - 2 (#4 Berdych, Nishikori)
2016 - 2 (#1 Murray, #3 Raonic)
2017 - 3 (#3 Dimitrov, Zverev, #4 Thiem)
2018 - 3 (#3 Cilic, Del Potro, #5 Anderson)
2019 - 2 (#4 Medvedev, #5 Tsitsipas)

1999-2006 new top5 per year --> 3.5
2007-2014 new top5 per year --> 0.9
2015-2019 new top5 per year --> 2.4

From 2007 to 2014 it was much harder to reach a high ranking

But “new” top5 doesn’t matter. What matters to supporting your hypothesis is how many players reached their best ranking in that year. Doing the analysis as you did biases the period of the strong era in one direction a bit (likely pushes it 2-3 years later). because many players will achieve their best ranking also in later years after they first did it.

 

[DjokoGOAT]

2004-2007: an era where Schuettler, kiefer, Blake, ljubicic, Robredo can make top 5. Also when Federer won most of his slams before strong competition showed up.