New topspin serve is usually about 40 cm too long

#1
What schould i try?
I feel, the serve has enough topspin, maybe the the ball crosses the net too high, i dont know.
Thank you for your answer
Toth
 

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#2
What schould i try?
I feel, the serve has enough topspin, maybe the the ball crosses the net too high, i dont know.
Thank you for your answer
Toth
Goes long if it didn't have enough topspin because the contact was not ideal for max spin.
Fixes- hit at max reach with closed racket face, adjust the toss location a bit further into the court.
 
#3
What schould i try?
I feel, the serve has enough topspin, maybe the the ball crosses the net too high, i dont know.
Thank you for your answer
Toth
- Swing faster, which will generate more TS
- Stand 40cm further back
- Aim for lower over the net

Option #1 is the best for long-term development; 2 & 3 would be for during a match when you have to problem-solve immediately.
 
#5
What schould i try?
I feel, the serve has enough topspin, maybe the the ball crosses the net too high, i dont know.
Thank you for your answer
Toth
When i have to bring the kick down say to get a sharp angle or when taking a TT serve challenge, i find it helps to quicken the takeoff.

Take your normal swing but accelerate quicker. If its normally something like 1...2...3, change it to 1.2...3 and I bet the ball starts dropping.

Here is a vid that i think can help

 
#6
- Swing faster, which will generate more TS
- Stand 40cm further back
- Aim for lower over the net

Option #1 is the best for long-term development; 2 & 3 would be for during a match when you have to problem-solve immediately.
I have swing with my max racket head speed, i am not sure that can i faster...
 
#12
I have swing with my max racket head speed, i am not sure that can i faster...
Any hit will have 2 components: horizontal and vertical. It sounds like you need to adjust the ratio to have more vertical and less horizontal. Envision hitting up on the ball more than forward.

Try standing on the SL and take an easy swing to see if you can get the serve into the box; this will force you to put a lot more vertical force on the ball to get even close. If successful, start moving back towards the BL.

Another: sit in a chair on the BL and practice the serve to emphasize the upward motion.

Look at 19:19:


If you can do either of these, it will help with your normal serve.
 
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#14
Any hit will have 2 components: horizontal and vertical. It sounds like you need to adjust the ratio to have more vertical and less horizontal. Envision hitting up on the ball more than forward.

Try standing on the SL and take an easy swing to see if you can get the serve into the box; this will force you to put a lot more vertical force on the ball to get even close. If successful, start moving back towards the BL.

Another: sit in a chair on the BL and practice the serve to emphasize the upward motion.

Look at 19:19:


If you can do either of these, it will help with your normal serve.
But if still more horizontal, would not the ball cross the net still more higher, and therefore would not be the serve still longer?
 
#15
But if still more horizontal, would not the ball cross the net still more higher, and therefore would not be the serve still longer?
You want more vertical and less horizontal.

Think of the following two extremes:
- All H and no V will result in a flat serve. Gravity will pull the ball down but your margin of error will be very small: a little too high and it will go long; a little too low and it will net.
- All V and no H will result in a ball that goes straight up into the air with potentially a lot of spin

Putting more V on the ball doesn't necessarily mean the ball will clear the net by more: it depends on where the apex is. The further on your side it is, the less clearance the ball will have.

It sounds like, in addition to adjusting the V:H ratio, you also need to make the apex a bit closer to you.

Try some of the experiments I outlined so you can get a better feel for how adjusting the V & H components and the apex affect the shape of the serve path. Your current path is a bit too flat.
 
#17
I am sorry, just not clear for me, could you explain me?
A car moving at 60mph is speed.

A car reaching 60mph in x seconds is acceleration.

A 4 cylinder economy car and a Tesla can both go 60mph but the Tesla gets there in 3.3 seconds, which means it has much more acceleration.

Your racquet head is travelling at a certain speed but @Shroud was commenting that the acceleration matters more. So maybe you're not accelerating as much as you could be.
 
#19
High speed video,

1st - to determine your serving technique.

2nd - to determine the details of how closed the racket is just before impact.

Best information that I have found so far is that the racket should be closed about 15 degrees at first contact for a high level kick serve.

I don't know how you can hit a kick serve with a Waiter's Tray technique.
 
#20
I did it, still more to the bh feels too extrem
I recommend keeping the same grip for now, since going more toward backhand feels that unnatural. You might benefit from some experiments with it in the future as you grow more accustomed to the general move for a topspin serve, but for now I'd say stick with what you know.

Here's the trouble with a topspin serve - we need to contact the ball at a little lower than the top of our comfortable reach so that the racquet can literally drive upward through contact and generate that topspin (before the racquet tops out). The "upward drive" is more of an ascending racquet path compared with a flat serve where we drive more straight ahead through the back of the ball and also contact the ball for that flat serve up near the top of our reach.

Since we're literally driving upward through the ball at contact, that can easily drive the ball more... that's right... upward. So that can coax some of those serves to sail long even though we're trying to put some topspin on the ball and turn it over - it just starts out too high to turn over in time to land in the box. A flat serve doesn't have that same "upward-ness" going on at contact. The racquet face meets the ball on a path that's more level and straight ahead.

So to compensate for that "upward-ness" at contact with a topspin serve, I think the smart adjustment is to toss just slightly further out ahead of ourselves toward the target (similar adjustment as with a flatter serve that is going long). This might be no more than about one width of the ball or so. You can still drive up through the back of the ball and generate that topspin, but without as high of a launch angle and the spin can turn the ball over to land inside the service line.

The thrills will really start coming when you get more comfortable with making that topspin and can eventually land your serves a couple feet short of the service line on demand. That's when you can angle that topspin serve over at the sideline and potentially pull a returner right off the court.
 
#21
Since no vid lots of guesses.
Guess 1. You toss ball behind or over head.
Guess 2. Your hitting ball 3ok getting heap of top but hitting loopy, hit at tooth hurty 2:30.
 

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#22
I did it, still more to the bh feels too extrem
What grip are you using?
First start with continental. Then open your face just a bit by rotating more towards eastern BH.

I was noticing something similar in that if I had proper net clearance, I was going long. If it landed in, there wouldn't be as much kick. I was using a continental grip. Then I adjusted half facet rotation towards BH and swung up more, I got my spin and kick back.

The other part is your ball toss. If you toss the ball into the court more, you'll pick up more pace, less arc, more kick back. But if you toss straight up or towards your back shoulder, you'll get more spin, more arc and more kick up.

Also, you may need to let the ball drop a little more so that you can come over the top rather than hitting through.
 
#24
What schould i try?
I feel, the serve has enough topspin, maybe the the ball crosses the net too high, i dont know.
Thank you for your answer
Toth
Try relaxing your wrist a little more as it passes through the impact zone. It's common to unconsciously squeeze the grip a little tighter at that instant, which flattens out the racket head trajectory and produces less spin on the ball. Check it out.
 
#25
Try relaxing your wrist a little more as it passes through the impact zone. It's common to unconsciously squeeze the grip a little tighter at that instant, which flattens out the racket head trajectory and produces less spin on the ball. Check it out.
I have tried loose wrist, much more balls in, but the upwards komponent and the bounce of the ball seems smaller,
Any idea?
 
#29
Practice hitting the serve higher and slower with much more spin so that it still lands in the court. This should give you an idea of different combinations of speed, spin, and height. Then, adjust by gradually moving the height over the net lower and the forward velocity greater.
You want to get to where you can hit any combination of height, spin, and speed.
 
#30
Practice hitting the serve higher and slower with much more spin so that it still lands in the court. This should give you an idea of different combinations of speed, spin, and height. Then, adjust by gradually moving the height over the net lower and the forward velocity greater.
You want to get to where you can hit any combination of height, spin, and speed.
With my toss over my head i have a natural swing, very difficoult to adjust.
 
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