I’m not sure I’d want to upgrade to the gravity release bases. That was one of Tennis Industry’s cons on the Baiardo machine.I've traveled with the L several times now. I can tell you that I can get it set up by myself in under 5 minutes. I don't think the clamp bases stand up to the star 5. But again you can upgrade to the original gravity clamp bases if you prefer.
Clearly, whoever wrote this didn't know what they were doing. The easy solution is to have tension pulled on the string before setting a clamp. This can be done in any number of ways, here are 2.I’m not sure I’d want to upgrade to the gravity release bases. That was one of Tennis Industry’s cons on the Baiardo machine.
Tennis Industry Baiardo review (http://www.tennisindustrymag.com/articles/2009/09/16_wilson_baiardo.html)
…The auto clamp base release can be a little awkward when preparing to make the first pull on a racquet. If you don’t maintain a small amount of tension on the string by hand, the clamp can fall and release the base. Also, during stringing, we found that if you don’t align the clamp just right when clamping the string, it doesn’t want to fall when you open the clamp. This means you have to pull the clamp down by hand. But, if you pull the clamp down by hand with the base still locked, the clamp’s diamond dust can scratch the surface of the string. This is why we were happy to see the button that allows you to manually release the clamp base. By manually releasing the clamp base first when the clamp does not drop on its own, you can move the clamp so that the diamond dust won’t scratch the string…
I'm gonna check with Dave Bone on that one when I see him in a month haha.The USRSA doesn’t even have an office anymore. All they have is a box at a UPS Store.
All the address (1000 Peachtree Industrial Blvd Ste 6-492 • Suwanee, GA 30024-6777) listed on the USRSA web site (https://www.racquettech.com/top/staff.php) is, is Box 492 at the UPS Store in Suwanee:I'm gonna check with Dave Bone on that one when I see him in a month haha.
I'll be doing ITAs with the L in February. Maybe I'll do a live stream and we'll see how it holds up. Dollar for dollar I have a lot of faith in it compared to any machine in the industry.
as much as I would love to be the guinea pig for this L I don’t want to regret not buying the standard Baiardo over the L. Given the price point I think there will be people who buy the L and provide feedback.
Any other comments on the L? Do you manually tilt the machine everytime you work on crosses? Would you recommend the L over the standard Baiardo?I've traveled with the L several times now. I can tell you that I can get it set up by myself in under 5 minutes. I don't think the clamp bases stand up to the star 5. But again you can upgrade to the original gravity clamp bases if you prefer.
They have pre sold them after the Atlanta BB&T tournament the last 2 years for $4,000. They will ship also but buyer pays shipping. Usually have about 250 rackets strung on them.I would love to get my hands on one of those tournament used machines. I have also heard that they are sold after the tournament for a decent price. Never have been able to get access to that though.
A stringer I know strings many badminton racquets and has a couple Baiardos. She said that she told Wilson that the side supports were too short, and that they changed the side supports (made the arms longer?) on later machines.All Baiardo users: how does the machine handle badminton racquets?
I can see the L has moveable posts that accommodate badminton. The more I look at the machine I question that design decision. Wouldn’t that bring the side arms too close together? The side arms look like they’re already close in distance. By bringing the posts closer together, it looks like the side arms would just be supporting the same area (9:00 & 3:00). Also it would be hard to work in that area. Would love to see a badminton frame mounted on the L.
In my experience Babolat’s solution with the star 5 to badminton racquets is the way to go. Just ship longer center support pieces ( 12:00 & 6:00) along with the machine.
You’re welcome, when I bought my Star 5 (for $175) I talked to Tennis Machines. That was over 6 years ago and TM told me one in great shape could get $2,800. You may want to see if they have any, or at least give you a good idea of a price. Many shops are getting rid of their Star 5s now and the price should be coming down.Thanks, Irvin. That's helpful.
The price of a brand new Star 5, when it was still in production, was $3000. I wouldn’t buy a refurbished machine for which they’ve discontinued replacement parts.Has anyone gotten the lite yet ? Would like to get a solid review before I pull the trigger ... A buddy has a Star 5 refurbished asking $3,500 , What do you guys think about the Babolat deal ?
Looking forward to a change. I've had the same Ektelon H model for close to 40 yrs. Its been dead reliable , easy to calibrate and with experience you can even get a consistent string bed...Kdude: looking forward to seeing what machine you decide on. Especially if you go with Baiardo L it would be awesome if you could post a review
There should be some reviews coming up before the end of the year. I'll get some links as soon as they're available.Kdude: looking forward to seeing what machine you decide on. Especially if you go with Baiardo L it would be awesome if you could post a review
@Goodman - thanks.
My story is this. I bought my 3rd real machine (NEOS 1000, NEOS 1500), a Babolat Sensor a few years ago. I paid $2200 for it. I had been refurbished including the tension head. The Sensor Dual new was $6000. I have been completely happy with my purchase. The machine is fantastic and does everything really well. I am happiest with the clamps and overall build of the machine.
All of that said, in retrospect, knowing what I know now, I might have sprung an extra grand for the Babolat or the Ghost II (and the comfort of a new machine and a warranty). Why? Well as nice as the Mighty Sensor is, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the newer machines. The Ghost II has an automatic magnetic table lock, nicer key pad and display etc. I know Babolats have a strong following among tour stringers, but these other machines are really nice. They have more features, are more ergonomic and are more portable (by and large).
@Kdude you can't go wrong with a well kept used Babolat. But you should weigh the price you pay for that versus something like the Wilson Baiardo L or Alpha Ghost II. Look at the features included versus the Star 5. At that price, you're going to get a machine that is far and away more than you need; and that is not a bad thing! But don't jump on a Babolat simply because you read lots about it on these boards. There are newer machines available new at about the same price with more and slicker features (it's called progress).
In summary, think about a stringing machine like a PC. Would you pay top dollar for a 5 - 7 year old PC? Heck no you wouldn't (if you have a brain in your head). Electronic stringing machines are very much like PCs. They both have motherboards, memory, and electronics. Think about how much the electronics in a PC mother board have advanced.....in college, one of my professors (teaching me BAL teehee) said "One day, one day we will have a gigabyte of disk. Just think about that. It will take a whole building to house that much disk." 37 years later, I have 64 GB on my dadgum phone! BTW - my senior year in college, IBM release the first PC. I came standard with 2 - 8 inch floppy drives. One for the operating system and the other for your programs and data.
I think that the first part of your post ("I was able to buy the L from") may have been censored, and my post about the source with a few used Ls for sale seems to have been deleted by the mods (sorry, mods, for falling afoul of forum rules!).I was able to buy the L from
Rabbit after reading your story I had a similar story but it stopped at the Ektelon H which I've been stringing on for close to 40 yrs. Dead reliable , easy to calibrate. I was going to buy a used but refurbished Star 5 ( always loved the look) now I just bought a slightly used L. Everything you said made sense so it made my choice easy. Thanks and thanks to all the other guys who posted here. I will only get to put her together in two weeks, but I will do a good review shortly there after.
I have been using in the store the past few months, it is very nice, has a large tool tray which is wonderful and does all the things you mention. I do not like the mounting compared to babolat machinesThe clamps are very good. Normally they fit really close to the frame and holds the string very good.
The clamp base and rails are very smooth (not so smooth as tecnifibre!). Very easy to handle them.
The tension unit is very solid, easy to hande and also have a lot of settings.
Also you can move the towers to string Badminton rackets and have the side supports on the right position (not possible on Wilson and Babolat machines).
And a lot more...
String a few rackets on it and you will see the difference.
Just an FYI, when I purchased mine, after putting it in the cart and going to checkout it applied an $875 discount. After tax and free shipping it was only $2750. For those on the fence you might want to try.
The clamps were interchangeable. I can put either clamp on the others base no problem. Seem to fit perfectly either way. So, if you have an original you could buy the 5 tooth clamps and replace the 4 tooth with no problems.A few questions: how different are the clamp posts from the STD to the L? And are the clamp bases interchangeble? I know Wilson stated the posts are different sizes but do they fit at all? I imagine one is bigger than the other so maybe the bigger ones just has a loose fit. Also if you don’t mind tinkering with your machine to confirm the bases are interchangeable I know some members would like a L model with gravity release bases and 5 prong clamps in a perfect world.
How exactly does the tilting function? I know you showed the hex tool inserted into the small hole. How much does the machine tilt per turn? I can’t imagine someone tilting and untiling the machine for every job If it requires that much work to do.
does the tension head initiate when the gripper is pressed in (like the alpha ghost 2)?
Hey herb, thanks for the review.The clamps were interchangeable. I can put either clamp on the others base no problem. Seem to fit perfectly either way. So, if you have an original you could buy the 5 tooth clamps and replace the 4 tooth with no problems.
The bases are not. The original is to wide to slide through through the rail of the L model. You can buy the rails for the original and replace the ones on the L model.
The tilt is just a screw that you screw up or down. As you screw it down it tilts. It is pretty smooth, and I would guess one full turn is around 5 degrees or so. We just found a comfortable angle and will leave it there.
No, the head does not initiate with the gripper. You have to push the lever.
That I do not know. I do not get enough request for pre-stretch to really worry about it to be honest. So doubtful I will even check. In the last 7 or 8 years I have had 2 people ask for pre-stretch.Hey herb, thanks for the review.
Does the Knot function still overrides the prestretch function on the last string on tieoff?