New Wilson frame paint finish. . .?

babar

Professional
I've been on the demo wagon lately. Tried a few of the new Wilson frames like the Blade 98 CV, Pro Staff 97 CV, RF 97, etc. These frames all have that velvet finish to them, which looks and feels pretty cool.

However, this velvet finish was "peeling" on many of the demos frames. Not sure if this is just normal wear because they are demos or if that is more pronounced because this velvet finish isn't as durable.

Anyone out there who has these frames, what have your experience been?
 
I've been on the demo wagon lately. Tried a few of the new Wilson frames like the Blade 98 CV, Pro Staff 97 CV, RF 97, etc. These frames all have that velvet finish to them, which looks and feels pretty cool.

However, this velvet finish was "peeling" on many of the demos frames. Not sure if this is just normal wear because they are demos or if that is more pronounced because this velvet finish isn't as durable.

Anyone out there who has these frames, what have your experience been?
Wait, it's peeling?

Thought its designer guaranteed them to last... Or was that another breath of BS?
 

MarioRich

Rookie
I've been on the demo wagon lately. Tried a few of the new Wilson frames like the Blade 98 CV, Pro Staff 97 CV, RF 97, etc. These frames all have that velvet finish to them, which looks and feels pretty cool.

However, this velvet finish was "peeling" on many of the demos frames. Not sure if this is just normal wear because they are demos or if that is more pronounced because this velvet finish isn't as durable.

Anyone out there who has these frames, what have your experience been?
My son plays with the new Blades and my daughter plays with the new burns and they BOTH peel. They are the neatest raquets ever but they PEEL. Blade is an awesome feeling
raquet by the way...


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JOSHL

Hall of Fame
Doesn't really bother me because when the velvet comes off its gloss black underneath.
 

babar

Professional
My son plays with the new Blades and my daughter plays with the new burns and they BOTH peel. They are the neatest raquets ever but they PEEL. Blade is an awesome feeling
raquet by the way...
Thanks MarioRich. In your opinion, is the peeling due to wear on the stringing machine or scrapes and dings during play? Or does the paint just peel after some time easily? Thx.
 

Seth

Legend
Thanks MarioRich. In your opinion, is the peeling due to wear on the stringing machine or scrapes and dings during play? Or does the paint just peel after some time easily? Thx.
A friend uses the PS97 and the paint has worn off from general use in the throat area over the last six months or so.

Many of us predicted this, as it always happens anytime non-traditional (matte/gloss) finishes are used on racquets. Same thing happened with the Prince Triple Threat series. Even if you don't play with it and the paint stays on the frame, it becomes tacky to the touch.
 

MarioRich

Rookie
Thanks MarioRich. In your opinion, is the peeling due to wear on the stringing machine or scrapes and dings during play? Or does the paint just peel after some time easily? Thx.
The peeling started the first week of play with just one string job. It is caused due to wear and dings in play. It comes off easily. I find my boy/girl taking extra care of their raquets all of the time, which I really like. I hope they continue to take care of their raquets the same way. That is the only good thing about the paint job (and that the paintjob itself is gorgeous).
 

babar

Professional
Hmm. I know a few folks who have these frames, but they are only a few matches old now. Since the demo frames I tried had considerably more use, I figured it might be the demo wear, but I guess that is not the entire story.

Maybe I'll have to the get the custom version off the Wilson website! Wait, $269 for a new frame would be wrong, right? :p
 

NuBas

Legend
I saw a RF85 that was roughed up and looked like white was underneath. But since the entire dang racquet is black, its like they made it easy for you to sharpie over.
 

jsm1373

Rookie
Could anyone who has experienced this paint damage please post some pics of it? Curious how bad it can look... I was very close to pulling the trigger on 4 new PS97s but now waiting until there's a revision of the velvet paint or its ditched entirely. Normally not anal about battle scars on my sticks, but am gonna play the next set of frames 3-5 times per week for a couple/few years and don't want a sticky, splotchy mess after spending several hundred bucks...

Thinking about going the Wilson custom paintjob route, where maybe I could specify no velvet paint... But then zero guarantee of matching specs like I could do selecting 4 out of a huge pile of retail sticks...

Fed is using the black velvet, but seems most other pro stock ProStaffs are super shiny gloss instead. Wish Wilson would offer the option of velvet or shiny to retail customers too...
 

jsm1373

Rookie
Looking at the Tennis Warehouse website images of the PS97 -- on the 2nd and 3rd images - closeup shots of the throat, there appears to be "spotting" paint damage near where the grip is taped down... And a blemish slightly higher on the throat. Those marks wouldn't normally bother me on well-played sticks... But if there's that many marks on a presumably unused frame used to take closeup photos... Doesn't give me any confidence in the durability.
 

bkfinch

Semi-Pro
I work in a pro shop and have had a lot of contact with the new wilson frames with the velvet paint. It peels alright!!!! I thought the industry learned from the Head intelligence 'disaster' in early 2000s...??


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babar

Professional
Well, I played with the demo again for a bit and nicked some paint near the end of the bumper guard. The paint began flaking off on its own while in the bag alone! Not even with another racquet!

Maybe I'll save up to get the Wilson Custom version off the website and get the gloss paint finish.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
Well, in my case with Blade 98 CV & 97S, I take extra care just in case. I put them in the separate racket covers before I put them in the bag. I can avoid rackets bumping/scraping against each other. That's pretty much it.

I don't scrape my rackets doing low slice or stretch volleys, so I'm pretty safe there. What I do often is framing the ball because I switch rackets frequently that sometimes causes timing issues at first. Of all the framed shots I've had, the paint job stayed put without any peeling or chipping. I do think it has advanced since the 300G, which the soft paint turned into sticky goo, but I still take extra caution because the paint does seem softer/weaker.
 

CarpetRyd

New User
I'm playing with the current version of the 97 for about 6-8 months and I don't have any real "flaking" of the black finish. There are dings and scrapes from normal play. But even those are just shiny black underneath.

They go in and out of a bag without concern!

I like how everyone posts about how the paint flakes but no pictures! Pics of my racquet will be added shortly...
 
I'm playing with the current version of the 97 for about 6-8 months and I don't have any real "flaking" of the black finish. There are dings and scrapes from normal play. But even those are just shiny black underneath.

They go in and out of a bag without concern!

I like how everyone posts about how the paint flakes but no pictures! Pics of my racquet will be added shortly...
I like how this person is talking about how no one is posting pictures. Why don't you search before you talk?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ed-coating-on-new-wilson-pro-staff-97.588907/
 

CarpetRyd

New User
I like how this person is talking about how no one is posting pictures. Why don't you search before you talk?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ed-coating-on-new-wilson-pro-staff-97.588907/
Cool story - one guy has posted pics of a single racket? The "peeling" on the bottom of the hoop looks like it had a brush with some sandpaper (sure it's possible for the way he stores 5 rackets in a bag). On that note do all his other rackets have the same wear patterns? It looks like they are all of the same velvet paint type (PS97, Blade)... LOL! Do your rackets look like his? show me?

I don't have issues with the paint and it sounds like most the others in that thread don't have an issue with it either, but cool you can make an assessment of one example...
 
Cool story - one guy has posted pics of a single racket? The "peeling" on the bottom of the hoop looks like it had a brush with some sandpaper (sure it's possible for the way he stores 5 rackets in a bag). On that note do all his other rackets have the same wear patterns? It looks like they are all of the same velvet paint type (PS97, Blade)... LOL! Do your rackets look like his? show me?

I don't have issues with the paint and it sounds like most the others in that thread don't have an issue with it either, but cool you can make an assessment of one example...
I don't have an issue with my racquets, I'm one of the few lucky ones. But I also don't have the most confidence in them. Having used the i.Prestige Mid and its rubberized paint will shatter your faith. Go search around the forum, there are many accounts of these racquets not holding up to normal use. You do know how to use the search function, right? It's quite basic. :)

Wait a minute, I just noticed you said something about brushing the racquets with sandpaper. LOL! Trying too hard?
 

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
I've been playing with mine for about 7 months and have strung it at least a dozen times. Zero issues on my RF97A.

I'm 4.5 player and play on average 3-4 times a week... No peeling or flaking. Same with my other stick!
As a sidenote, CarpetRyd- I didn't want to quote your pic, but what are those 3 'pillows' that are placed in the throat between frame and string? Whats their purpose.
 
I've been playing with mine for about 7 months and have strung it at least a dozen times. Zero issues on my RF97A.

As a sidenote, CarpetRyd- I didn't want to quote your pic, but what are those 3 'pillows' that are placed in the throat between frame and string? Whats their purpose.
Those are powerpads that are more or less a relic now. Most people keep them on out of habit and consistency.
 

racket king

Banned
I'm 4.5 player and play on average 3-4 times a week...
But virtually every USTA match you play is dubs. There's not going to be much wear on the rubber paint when you're standing at the net volleying and you've got someone else covering half the court.
 

PeterFig

Professional
I'm 4.5 player and play on average 3-4 times a week... No peeling or flaking. Same with my other stick!





This is pretty much exactly how my RF97's and Blades look like. Don't make me post photos!!! :) hahahaha

Little abrasions near the top of the hoop and a few 'gauges' in the glossy paint part where I either dug out a low volley or a low follow through on a low low slice / dig. Not too different than any other racquet I've ever owned. It's a paint coating meeting a hard cement surface. No brand / paint finish will stand up to that type of abuse.... and I'm fine with that. I realize I dont' baby my racquets. I use them to play tennis and try and win points. I don't care if they get scraped up in that circumstance. I'm not out there for people to admire the pristiness of my racquet. I'm out there to have fun and win every point i can!!! :)
 

PeterFig

Professional
This is pretty much exactly how my RF97's and Blades look like. Don't make me post photos!!! :) hahahaha

Little abrasions near the top of the hoop and a few 'gauges' in the glossy paint part where I either dug out a low volley or a low follow through on a low low slice / dig. Not too different than any other racquet I've ever owned. It's a paint coating meeting a hard cement surface. No brand / paint finish will stand up to that type of abuse.... and I'm fine with that. I realize I dont' baby my racquets. I use them to play tennis and try and win points. I don't care if they get scraped up in that circumstance. I'm not out there for people to admire the pristiness of my racquet. I'm out there to have fun and win every point i can!!! :)
Just as a side note: I have a mountain bike that is about 10x as much $$ as a racquet. It's made of a similar composition to my racquet. Every scrape and and notch is one of pride!
 

PeterFig

Professional
I have no concerns with the 97CV that are coming - all id say @PeterFig - the 97 should've been all black to start with ;) :p
It's a bit of an interesting tale. Initially the RF97 was the only racquet that was going to be all black and the rest of the line was going to be black and red. This was done intentionally to make sure Roger's racquet really stood out from the rest of the Pro Staff line. However Roger himself requested that the lighter weight L and LS version that juniors would use would share his design as he understood that he had a huge following of young fans that wanted to play with 'his' racquet but of course could not handle the weight of the RF97. And I guess with the new 97CV the gap between the RF97 and the L and LS models has now been filled. it's really all about making sure that the HUGE Federer fan base has a full weight progression from a really light racquet all the way to his.

Personally I liked that fact that his RF97 was different than any other Pro Staff .... but I also understood Roger's reasoning for it and he was very convincing when he explained his rationale to us.
 

PBODY99

Legend
Both the Dunlop & Head i models are fondly remembered and used, soft paint & all. May the RF hold up so well over time.
 

racket king

Banned
I also understood Roger's reasoning for it and he was very convincing when he explained his rationale to us.
Roger: "The design in the first attempt is so ugly, old fashioned and awkward looking, just paint everything black this time and stop wasting my ******* time."

 
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CarpetRyd

New User
Roger: "The design in the first attempt is so ugly, old fashioned and awkward looking, just paint everything black this time and stop wasting my ******* time."
Didn't he have a contest for his fans to submit what the first rf97a design was going to be? Now if anything I think that paint job with the "holographic" W logo peeling was less robust than the current version
 

stephenclown

Professional
I like how the designer here only responds to praises about the design (overall look), but not criticism about the actual finish (durability).
You are a prophet. He waited for a positive post in the thread and then dragged it out praising the design. The issue isnt the design, the issue is putting such a design on frames when wilson dont care about QC as a company. The design is great and feels amazing but flaws in the process are going to be much worse with rubber paint.

Obviously corners being cut and some batches have poor quality finish. Can be seen across the wilson brand, they are making an absolute killing off sponsorships but still dont care about the average consumer or their feedback.
 
You are a prophet. He waited for a positive post in the thread and then dragged it out praising the design. The issue isnt the design, the issue is putting such a design on frames when wilson dont care about QC as a company. The design is great and feels amazing but flaws in the process are going to be much worse with rubber paint.

Obviously corners being cut and some batches have poor quality finish. Can be seen across the wilson brand, they are making an absolute killing off sponsorships but still dont care about the average consumer or their feedback.
Thank you! I wouldn't say I'm a prophet. I was merely making a statement based on historical behavior. :)
 

racket king

Banned
Didn't he have a contest for his fans to submit what the first rf97a design was going to be? Now if anything I think that paint job with the "holographic" W logo peeling was less robust than the current version
Several coats of a suitable, high quality paint and hard clearcoat is always going to be more durable than a pseudo rubber material. It's also much easier to fix cosmetically. The best finishes I've seen were the gun metal metallic gray Angell rackets from a few years ago. The quality and durability of the clearcoat in particular was exceptional. I saw one bounced across a hardcourt once and it was only the clearcoat that was mildly scuffed. If that had happened with a Wilson, there would have been segments of paint flying off the racket in several different directions.
 
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Nacho

Hall of Fame
I've been on the demo wagon lately. Tried a few of the new Wilson frames like the Blade 98 CV, Pro Staff 97 CV, RF 97, etc. These frames all have that velvet finish to them, which looks and feels pretty cool.

However, this velvet finish was "peeling" on many of the demos frames. Not sure if this is just normal wear because they are demos or if that is more pronounced because this velvet finish isn't as durable.

Anyone out there who has these frames, what have your experience been?
yup they peel....had the blade, now use the ultra....they look pretty beat up after a month or two, but still play fine
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Well, in my case with Blade 98 CV & 97S, I take extra care just in case. I put them in the separate racket covers before I put them in the bag. I can avoid rackets bumping/scraping against each other. That's pretty much it.

I don't scrape my rackets doing low slice or stretch volleys, so I'm pretty safe there. What I do often is framing the ball because I switch rackets frequently that sometimes causes timing issues at first. Of all the framed shots I've had, the paint job stayed put without any peeling or chipping. I do think it has advanced since the 300G, which the soft paint turned into sticky goo, but I still take extra caution because the paint does seem softer/weaker.
I didn't even play with it, only served for half an hour. Upon close inspection, I found two green dots on both sides of the shiny black center.
 

fed1

Professional
Only knock we can find on the new Ultra's is that the durability of the paint job is quite suspect.
 
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