New Wilson? (K)?

Well I don't know how you guys tell how HL a racket is or its weight just by looking at a picture, but it's probably big boy stuff that you guys don't want to get into so I'll take your word for it. :)
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Bringing the negative pic into Photoshop to get a cleaner look it appears that it has the following specs:

90 sq in head
16x19 string pattern
12 oz weight unstrung
12 pts HL
That's exactly the same specs as the current nCode nSix-One Tour. So I wonder what's different about it other than the new paintjob? :confused:

Perhaps nothing? Perhaps a different composition? Perhaps no more nCode? Perhaps no more HyperCarbon? :confused:
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Well I don't know how you guys tell how HL a racket is or its weight just by looking at a picture, but it's probably big boy stuff that you guys don't want to get into so I'll take your word for it. :)
The specs are written on the inside of the throat in that pic of the frame. You just need to magnify it and clean it up to see it, which I guess someone here did. :D
 

OrangeOne

Legend
That's exactly the same specs as the current nCode nSix-One Tour. So I wonder what's different about it other than the new paintjob? :confused:

Perhaps nothing? Perhaps a different composition? Perhaps no more nCode? Perhaps no more HyperCarbon? :confused:
Maybe it's now got HyperKarbon? ;)
 

galain

Hall of Fame
That was my first thought when I saw the pics - it took me awhile to see the "K". I thought it looked like the symbol for pi actually.

Wow, you're right. If you turn your head to the left and pay attention to the space between the two halves of the "k", it might be two N's, or some kinda symbol like "<"
 

nViATi

Hall of Fame
I Agree with DX psycho. But you should really listen carefully to the sound when Fed hits the ball. Because last 2 models made very distinctive different sound, especially the Ncode. It sounds like he is using the new models. You can deceive the eyes with the paint jobs but can they deceive your ears too???
The way the court is built, the size, the strings on the racquet, the tension, a dampener or power pads, microphones used, distance from microphones to Fed, audio compression, swingspeed- these all affect the sound. You can't distinguish frames via sound over tv
 

sypl

Rookie
The K stand for kon. As in you're all about to get konned into splashing hundreds of bucks for basically the same racquet you already have. And that Federer might not even use.
 

nickb

Banned
The paintjob looks really cool, i hope its not the same spec as the ncode. Looks like just another paintjob...


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3 x nsix-one Tour
3 x PS 6.0 85
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
NEWSFLASH!!!!

i just called TW, and they said that the new line is called "K-Factor"

i will just cite what they said...they said it is a new technology, an entirely new line of racquets, like the ncode line was, and it will be released JANUARY 2007...TW will carry them as soon as they are released

right now they are not sure if it is early january, before or after the AO...

you read it here....new wilson K-Factor line, due out JANUARY 2007


now whether its basically the same racquets as the ncode line, as in the specifications of the racquet, or whatever, it is a new line...
 

VGP

Legend
Thanks for the update psamp14.

We'll see if and when these rackets come out.

Not that it matters for me.....I tend to use old "technology" anyway.
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
about the technology...i myself am not sure about the actual differences

i actually think that the ncode 90, retail stock model, is the same as the pro staff tour 90, and that this new one coming out, in the K-Factor line, will be the same thing
 
H

hughsiss

Guest
Wilson definteley have the cheek to release another racket that is basically the smae as the previous lines and models.
 

fearless1

Rookie
NEWSFLASH!!!!

i just called TW, and they said that the new line is called "K-Factor"

i will just cite what they said...they said it is a new technology, an entirely new line of racquets, like the ncode line was, and it will be released JANUARY 2007...TW will carry them as soon as they are released

right now they are not sure if it is early january, before or after the AO...

you read it here....new wilson K-Factor line, due out JANUARY 2007


now whether its basically the same racquets as the ncode line, as in the specifications of the racquet, or whatever, it is a new line...
Based on the pics posted in this thread, it would appear that the K-Factor Tour 6 one's slightly more open stringbed pattern and shorter grip pallet makes it nearly identical to the actual racquet that Fed has been using (nCode 6 one custom or paintjob). The retail version nCode 6 ones' have the denser string pattern and longer 2h grip pallet. If K-Factor is new retail model, then perhaps average Joe/Jane finally get's to use Fed's actual stick.
 

PimpMyGame

Hall of Fame
What does the k stand for?

It stands for "***kin heck, my wrist really hurts when I don't hit the sweet spot." And that's why I switched to a Babolate APD.

Great forum guys. Keep up the good work.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
NEWSFLASH!!!!

i just called TW, and they said that the new line is called "K-Factor"

i will just cite what they said...they said it is a new technology, an entirely new line of racquets, like the ncode line was, and it will be released JANUARY 2007...TW will carry them as soon as they are released

right now they are not sure if it is early january, before or after the AO...

you read it here....new wilson K-Factor line, due out JANUARY 2007


now whether its basically the same racquets as the ncode line, as in the specifications of the racquet, or whatever, it is a new line...
Thanks for making the call, psamp14! :D

BTW, did you happen to ask TW about the specs?

From the pic of the side of the frame, it does say "KSix-One Tour" instead of the current "nSix-One Tour", so I wonder if that implies no more nCode?

 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Based on the pics posted in this thread, it would appear that the K-Factor Tour 6 one's slightly more open stringbed pattern and shorter grip pallet makes it nearly identical to the actual racquet that Fed has been using (nCode 6 one custom or paintjob). The retail version nCode 6 ones' have the denser string pattern and longer 2h grip pallet. If K-Factor is new retail model, then perhaps average Joe/Jane finally get's to use Fed's actual stick.
Yes, I also see the more open string pattern since this "K" has 4 string holes at the PWS instead of the nCode 90's 5, but I can't tell from just that pic that it has a shorter handle pallet. What are you seeing that I'm not? :confused:
 

baros

Semi-Pro
i hate to say this but i think the one in the picture isn't the retail version it's fed's edition becuase it has a sig on it so the retail probably will have the shorter pallet.
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
Thanks for making the call, psamp14! :D

BTW, did you happen to ask TW about the specs?

From the pic of the side of the frame, it does say "kSix-One Tour" instead of the current "nSix-One Tour", so I wonder if that implies no more nCode?

well they actually seemed not to know much about the racquet, nor the line...they didnt even know what the K stood for...i asked if it might stand for kevlar, but they said they dont know...

so i guess wilson has kept this pretty secret

but i wont feel bitter when i see roger federer using a racquet looking different from what i have, because the stock retail of what he will use will probably be 99.999999999999999999999999999% the same as what i have, and what the pro staff tour 90 was
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
well they actually seemed not to know much about the racquet, nor the line...they didnt even know what the K stood for...i asked if it might stand for kevlar, but they said they dont know...

so i guess wilson has kept this pretty secret

but i wont feel bitter when i see roger federer using a racquet looking different from what i have, because the stock retail of what he will use will probably be 99.999999999999999999999999999% the same as what i have, and what the pro staff tour 90 was
Thanks again, psamp14!

For me, I don't really care what the racquet Federer is using looks like, I just want a PS 6.0 with a 90 sq. in. head so I hope this new "K" is closer to that ideal than the nSix-One Tour was. :D
 

tennis_vet

New User
Total speculation on my part but being a chemist by trade I am wondering whether the "K" factor is really some sort of process involving potassium and graphite. If you search the internet on these two words you will find many links. I have no background in materials science so please don't view this as anything than total speculation.

Hey, it's fun speculating - we will know soon enough.
 

fearless1

Rookie
Yes, I also see the more open string pattern since this "K" has 4 string holes at the PWS instead of the nCode 90's 5, but I can't tell from just that pic that it has a shorter handle pallet. What are you seeing that I'm not? :confused:
We are seeing the same thing...I'm just guessing about the length of the pallet. Compared to my own nC 6-1, it just LOOKS like a very small portion of grip would appear in the K-Factor pic if the racquet featured a 2hb grip instead of shorter 1hb. Just another half inch of pic to the right...
 

OrangeOne

Legend
Based on the pics posted in this thread, it would appear that the K-Factor Tour 6 one's slightly more open stringbed pattern and shorter grip pallet makes it nearly identical to the actual racquet that Fed has been using (nCode 6 one custom or paintjob). The retail version nCode 6 ones' have the denser string pattern and longer 2h grip pallet. If K-Factor is new retail model, then perhaps average Joe/Jane finally get's to use Fed's actual stick.
*Or* remember that the asian version of the current frame has the more open string pattern. There's nothing to say that he wasn't sitting with the asian version of the new frame, which may be a sobering thought going forwards for the non-asian market.

Of course, hopefully not, but you never know...
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
*Or* remember that the asian version of the current frame has the more open string pattern. There's nothing to say that he wasn't sitting with the asian version of the new frame, which may be a sobering thought going forwards for the non-asian market.

Of course, hopefully not, but you never know...

No, not true. The Asian version has the exact same string pattern as the US version. I know as I have two Asian versions now and three before. The only difference is the weight and balance.

The only retail version with the more open string pattern that you could buy was only sold in Japan for a limited time and only a limited quantity were produced, and that was the Federer Signature Special Edition which also came with the same strings that Federer uses and a poster and some other souvenirs. But the specs of that one were identical to the US version, the only difference being the different string spacing in the middle and Federer's signature on the side. Wilson had no plans to sell that one outside of Japan and only made so few of them anyway.
 
What puzzles me is... what are they going to change?. I mean, it can't be more powerful because it'll be a twenner. It can't be more stable 'cause it is allready one of the most stable frames in the market. It can't be heavier for the same reason. Maybe they could improve the feeling, but I doubt it.
 

fearless1

Rookie
What puzzles me is... what are they going to change?. I mean, it can't be more powerful because it'll be a twenner. It can't be more stable 'cause it is allready one of the most stable frames in the market. It can't be heavier for the same reason. Maybe they could improve the feeling, but I doubt it.
Internal composition can be changed without changing the performance specs much if at all. Adding a Fed signature to a new paint scheme and selling it as an "Autograph" model while touting it as the same racquet that Fed uses should generate some more sales too.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
What puzzles me is... what are they going to change?. I mean, it can't be more powerful because it'll be a twenner. It can't be more stable 'cause it is allready one of the most stable frames in the market. It can't be heavier for the same reason. Maybe they could improve the feeling, but I doubt it.
It'll make you play exactly like Federer and allow you to win 9 Grand Slams, too! ;) LOL
 

OrangeOne

Legend
No, not true. The Asian version has the exact same string pattern as the US version. I know as I have two Asian versions now and three before. The only difference is the weight and balance.

The only retail version with the more open string pattern that you could buy was only sold in Japan for a limited time and only a limited quantity were produced, and that was the Federer Signature Special Edition which also came with the same strings that Federer uses and a poster and some other souvenirs. But the specs of that one were identical to the US version, the only difference being the different string spacing in the middle and Federer's signature on the side. Wilson had no plans to sell that one outside of Japan and only made so few of them anyway.
Sorry, my bad, I was referring to the 'Japanese' version that I had seen links to on this board, which was indeed the one you talk about in the second paragraph. My bad for confusing the two, as you can tell, I haven't owned either.

On thinking more, maybe Fed was sitting with one of his personal new frames*, as he may have in current photos (eg. he appears with one of 'his' frames in the master's cup photo, or so I assume). I just think there's no guarantee that seeing that frame MEANS the middle string spacing will be the same for joe public. As said before, I hope it is, but there's no guarantee.

*Or equally, maybe he was sitting with a paintjob of his current frame. Not that I imagine a company would use a paintjob in an advert, but then again if the mold hasn't changed (maybe composition has, but yeah), then there would be nothing stopping this happening.
 

WhiteSox05CA

Hall of Fame
Where did this guy who posted the pics get the racquet? Can he/she/you post more? Maybe the full racquet? and the specs in the throat? Maybe this "K-Factor" isn't replacing the nSix-One if the prices haven't dropped. Anyone know a Wilson rep?
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I'm actually pretty excited if this turns out to be real. I mostly liked the nCode 90, but really couldn't get used to the longer grip pallet. I use a 2bh, but grew up in the day when grips were shorter, so I actually like having part of my left hand on the shaft of the racquet. With the longer grips, my hands end up spaced too widely apart. From these pics, it does look like the grip pallet will be shorter--there's a lot of shaft showing before the start of the throat.
 

SFrazeur

Legend
I just hope that the pictures are not of Fed's exclusive K-6.1 90, with the more widely spaced strings and the shorter pallet.
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
Where did this guy who posted the pics get the racquet? Can he/she/you post more? Maybe the full racquet? and the specs in the throat? Maybe this "K-Factor" isn't replacing the nSix-One if the prices haven't dropped. Anyone know a Wilson rep?
i believe the poster who posted the pic got the pic off some asian forum, i say asian because the words are in chinese or something...

i called TW to ask them about the racquet, and they replied that it is K-Factor...i then asked if it is an entirely new line, like 6-8 or more racquets, and the lady said yes, that it is a entirely new line, and it is a new technology"

but my own opinion is that its really a completely new technology, or just a hype, and the new racquets will be similar to the ones they are replacing, like if there will be a k six one tour 90, it will have almost exact if not exact specs as the current n six one tour 90

just different paint jobs....
 

127mph

Semi-Pro
i talked to a wilson rep, and he said wilson is trying to court gasquet, because gasquet and head are on bad terms or something. perhaps they will be comming out with a k fram for him, i think this would be a good fit, but we shall see.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Go to this link: http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/cat_nanotech_advances.html

Reference the March 7th article. It refers to both K and graphite and stronger tennis rackets as an application later in the paragraph.
Nice find. Well, I guess that confirms it. The "K" must stand for potassium, as I and others here had predicted. :D

Excerpt from that linked article:
"Nanoscrolls can be made by a relatively inexpensive and scalable process at low temperatures," Mack said. "Our starting materials are just graphite and potassium metal. The idea is beautiful in its simplicity."

"Other possible applications for nanoscrolls, Kaner said, include lightweight but strong materials for planes and cars, and improved graphite-based tennis rackets and golf clubs."
 
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Roffey

Rookie
The thing is, Kryptonite's not possible. Kryptonite would mean that Krypton would be bonded with a certain number of Oxygen atoms. Krypton's a noble gas; as such, and not being Xenon (the Warrior Element, as my chem teacher last year enjoyed referring to it) it doesn't bond. With anything.
Except Flourine under certain circumstances.
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
Nice find. Well, I guess that confirms it. The "K" must stand for potassium, as I and others here had predicted. :D

Excerpt from that linked article:
"Nanoscrolls can be made by a relatively inexpensive and scalable process at low temperatures," Mack said. "Our starting materials are just graphite and potassium metal. The idea is beautiful in its simplicity."

"Other possible applications for nanoscrolls, Kaner said, include lightweight but strong materials for planes and cars, and improved graphite-based tennis rackets and golf clubs."
Round....uh....something BreakPoint vs. Pusher in the TECH WARS!!!!
Ding Ding!

Lol just kidding. These claims of huge potential for "K" seem relatively early don't they?
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
What happens if another pro wants to use the racquet? Do they have to get the tip-ex out? :D
when you say another pro, do you mean like a atp pro?

because i think, well i am not sure, but right now there is no other pro who uses the same racquet as roger federer on the tour

sampras does, but not on the atp tour

but when sampras played i think courier used the same pro staff racquet....or not sure...maybe different model

i guess if you're not roger federer, and you're on the atp tour, you cant use it :)

but then they should call it the rfed six one tour 90
 
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