New Yonex Vcore (for 2020 or 2021 ?)

leojramirez

Rookie
I was going to post that video, you beat me to it. I would take Karue's advice of that of Tennis Spin any day of the week. The two coaches on Tennis Spin are obviously good players, and I would definitely hear what they have to say, but Tennis Spin himself is a clown who doesn't have an idea what he's talking about half the time.

Back to Karue, I am really looking forward to his full review of the new Vcore 95. He makes a lot of interesting remarks on this preview.
If I played on hard courts I would go for the 95 but on clay the 98 is the winner for me mainly due to the long rallies, dealing with heavy spin and forgiveness. Same thing as the previous version, I switched from the 95 to the 98 and sure I miss the feel but I play better with the 98. They seemed to have fixed that only problem I saw with the 98 which was the ball pocketing.
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
If I played on hard courts I would go for the 95 but on clay the 98 is the winner for me mainly due to the long rallies, dealing with heavy spin and forgiveness. Same thing as the previous version, I switched from the 95 to the 98 and sure I miss the feel but I play better with the 98. They seemed to have fixed that only problem I saw with the 98 which was the ball pocketing.
I think that the flex is key in how the ball reacts. The VC98.18 has the best feel of the bunch, but the flexy nature is a little less precise in response. The VC98.21 is closer to the SV98 in that the stiffness directs the ball better.
I used to hate playing on clay with a 90 frame, trying to deal with less than precise bounces and spin against guys with 95+ racquets. When I saw Fed play on clay, I thought that guy had the best hand eye coordination and reaction times ever to play consistently at that level on clay! What a difference 5-10 sq inches makes!
 
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flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
If I played on hard courts I would go for the 95 but on clay the 98 is the winner for me mainly due to the long rallies, dealing with heavy spin and forgiveness. Same thing as the previous version, I switched from the 95 to the 98 and sure I miss the feel but I play better with the 98. They seemed to have fixed that only problem I saw with the 98 which was the ball pocketing.
I read you in technicolor when explaining the difference between clay and hard court. One definitely needs a bit more real estate on clay, if anything for a bit more forgiveness due to irregular bounces.
 

celito

Semi-Pro
I don't want to mislead anyone. It's all hearsay or first impressions at this point. The "Nerd" posted in his patreon that he measured his 95 2021 to have ridiculously low SW (312.5) yet somehow a lot more powerful than the current. To be completely fair, he didn't like the current 95 either so... grain of salt.
If I remember correctly he only disliked the grip shape.
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
I always get a kick reading the CC auto translate from Youtube. It is definitely NOT safe for society!
To watch this, click and pause, then turn on CC and Autotranslate to English: It's ridiculously inappropriate!



Simple ... it has AI infused technology.
I believe AI used Prince?


A little Japanese tennis player trivia joke!
 

Notorious_Junkballer

Professional
Take a look at the first pic, the 98 on the scale, in Tennisnerd's Vcore preview. This is what I call quality control. :D (y)
Just watched his first impressions review on the 98 & 95 and while their static weight and balance were pretty much spot on, the swing weight was off, too low that is, on both. Just like Spin-Harry the Nerd found the 98 to be an improvement over the predecessor whereas he wasn't at all that impressed about the new 95.

 
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smalahove

Hall of Fame
I think that the flex is key in how the ball reacts. The VC98.18 has the best feel of the bunch, but the flexy nature is a little less precise is response. The VC98.21 is closer to the SV98 in that the stiffness directs the ball better.
I used to hate playing on clay with a 90 frame, trying to deal with less than precise bounces and spin against guys with 95+ racquets. When I saw Fed play on clay, I thought that guy had the best hand eye coordination and reaction times ever to play consistently at that level on clay! What a difference 5-10 sq inches makes!
When you write best feel of the bunch, are you referring to the VCore 98 iterations (i.e. SV98/VCore 98 '18/VCore 98 '21)? Or is this incl the Vcore 95s?

I'm currently playing with the Extreme Tour, which I like, but having played for quite a while with both the SV98 and Vcore 98 '18, I'm excited if this new version is closer to the SV98. Ime, that racket was a great power racket, that lacked a bit in the feel department, whereas the Vcore '98 had better feel, but was a little anemic. Then otoh, so are the Extreme Tours. Great depth, height (ball trajectory) and spin, but lacks that crisp power, that the SV98 had.

I loved the Vcore '95 as well, and actually regret leaving it for a run of Babolat PS. But with the new specs, I'm not so sure the new ones are better choice than the new Vcore 98, even though for me VCore 95 '18 > VCore 98 '18. So now, I'm debating buying: Vcore 95 '21, Vcore 98 '21, G360+ Radical MP or Pro ...
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
I was referring to the 98s. Personally I think the best aspect of the SV98+ was the 16x20 pattern, and the stiffer flex, which helped with response predictability. The VC98+ is a sliver more stable, but the flex, especially in the upper hoop, plus the stringbed response from the liner tech and 16x19 openness changed how predictable the racquet hit and how the power was delivered, at least for me. The lack of feel to me, is really about the narrow feedback bandwidth of SV98+, which took me playing with the VC98.18+ for a few weeks to realize the feedback feel of the SV98+ was "hidden" in the crispness and in higher frequency. Better broad frequency "feel" does help with learning and training, and I "fixed" an issue with my forehand by switching those weeks and getting a broader feel. Makes no sense that I play better with the SV98+ and execute the shots, yet I can't "feel" anything. The reprogramming is difficult though, and 2 years later, it's coming through!
Now the VC95.21 is more powerful than the VC95.18, and probably maybe even the SV95 (I can't remember it well enough) and my Playsight data is somehow inconclusive. I remember the SV95 feel and like it the most. The VC95.21 has the most muted of the 3 generations. The worst you could do is demo it and hate it. If you can't get a demo, buy a 2nd hand one. I guarantee there'll be a few people dumping theirs because they bought one reading/watching the reviews of 20 something semi-retired pros like Karue, and realize it isn't the same for them! :-D :p
I admittedly demo quite a few racquets nowadays, just to get a feel of what's out there, but I creep right back to my SV98+. The VC98.21+, if it comes out, I'll test too, but I suspect in about 3-4 years, I'll be switching to 100 for the extra power, as I lose my footspeed.
When you write best feel of the bunch, are you referring to the VCore 98 iterations (i.e. SV98/VCore 98 '18/VCore 98 '21)? Or is this incl the Vcore 95s?

I'm currently playing with the Extreme Tour, which I like, but having played for quite a while with both the SV98 and Vcore 98 '18, I'm excited if this new version is closer to the SV98. Ime, that racket was a great power racket, that lacked a bit in the feel department, whereas the Vcore '98 had better feel, but was a little anemic. Then otoh, so are the Extreme Tours. Great depth, height (ball trajectory) and spin, but lacks that crisp power, that the SV98 had.

I loved the Vcore '95 as well, and actually regret leaving it for a run of Babolat PS. But with the new specs, I'm not so sure the new ones are better choice than the new Vcore 98, even though for me VCore 95 '18 > VCore 98 '18. So now, I'm debating buying: Vcore 95 '21, Vcore 98 '21, G360+ Radical MP or Pro ...
 
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The racket is actually way prettier in real life than in pictures somehow. I have both next to me right now and I'd take this one any day.
The SV95 is still the most beautiful Yonex to me. Also because of its inner beauty of course.
 

c0ppo

New User
Can anyone compare 'old' vcore 98 to the new model?
What is the difference? Wondering if I should order new one, or the old one.
 

McLovin

Legend
Can anyone compare 'old' vcore 98 to the new model?
What is the difference? Wondering if I should order new one, or the old one.
Only hit with it for 30min, but the new one is more muted. Power/spin seem similar, but understand I’m coming from a weighted 2018 VCORE 98 + to a stock 2021 VCORE 98 standard length. I hope to have more info after the weekend. Check the play test thread later next week.
 
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David Le

Hall of Fame
Only hit with it for 30min, but the new one is more muted. Power/spin seem similar, but understand I’m coming from a weighted 2028 VCORE 98 + to a stock 2021 VCORE 98 standard length. I hope to have more info after the weekend. Check the play test thread later next week.
Whoa, you already have the 2028 VC 98+?! :eek::-D
*Just messing with you.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Only hit with it for 30min, but the new one is more muted. Power/spin seem similar, but understand I’m coming from a weighted 2018 VCORE 98 + to a stock 2021 VCORE 98 standard length. I hope to have more info after the weekend. Check the play test thread later next week.
-can you elavorate ,"a bit more" on this??
-did you feel like it would it need as much weight (added latter) as your previous version? in the same locations?
-tnx
 

McLovin

Legend
-can you elavorate ,"a bit more" on this??
-did you feel like it would it need as much weight (added latter) as your previous version? in the same locations?
As far as the 'muted' comment, its basically the same 'feeling' as the new EZONEs, and I attribute that 100% to the VDM. It almost gives the feeling that it is more flexible than it is (I've not seen any 'official' RDC numbers for this yet, so it may actually be more flexible). I like the way it feels on contact. The previous version was a little 'raw', but I endured and adjusted because I liked the results w/ that frame so much.

EDIT: Just went over to TW Europe and saw their #s for the 98. Apparently it comes in 1 RDC point stiffer (previous was 65, new is 66).

As far as added weight, it is tough to say after 1 set of doubles where I could hardly move due to my lower back, but I did hit a couple of really good returns with it (when I didn't have to move for the return). The frame felt stable throughout the swing. Now...will I get the plow that I get with my '+' that is ~ 10g heavier (and likely 20-25 'SW points' higher)? That is unlikely.

Like I said earlier, I'm drilling w/ my doubles partner Saturday morning. I'll get a better idea as we'll likely warm up w/ forehands & backhands cross-court, and I can hit for 5 minutes with my current frame, then switch back to the new one and compare.
 
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As far as the 'muted' comment, its basically the same 'feeling' as the new EZONEs, and I attribute that 100% to the VDM. It almost gives the feeling that it is more flexible than it is (I've not seen any 'official' RDC numbers for this yet, so it may actually be more flexible). I like the way it feels on contact. The previous version was a little 'raw', but I endured and adjusted because I liked the results w/ that frame so much.

EDIT: Just went over to TW Europe and saw their #s for the 98. Apparently it comes in 1 RDC point stiffer (previous was 65, new is 66).

As far as added weight, it is tough to say after 1 set of doubles where I could hardly move due to my lower back, but I did hit a couple of really good returns with it (when I didn't have to move for the return). The frame felt stable throughout the swing. Now...will I get the plow that I get with my '+' that is ~ 10g heavier (and likely 20-25 'SW points' higher)? That is unlikely.

Like I said earlier, I'm drilling w/ my doubles partner Saturday morning. I'll get a better idea as we'll likely warm up w/ forehands & backhands cross-court, and I can hit for 5 minutes with my current frame, then switch back to the new one and compare.
I really appreciate you trying to answer the question even though you were enduring pain while playing. However, I must say that a true playtest for me is only during a real match play. Watching these Tennis Spin Videos on a court on which they can barely walk on is ridiculous. Come on, yeah, the feel on shots through the middle maybe but anything else is so different when you are caught off balance during match play.
 

McLovin

Legend
I really appreciate you trying to answer the question even though you were enduring pain while playing. However, I must say that a true playtest for me is only during a real match play. Watching these Tennis Spin Videos on a court on which they can barely walk on is ridiculous. Come on, yeah, the feel on shots through the middle maybe but anything else is so different when you are caught off balance during match play.
I agree, but I only just received the frame (for the TW Playtest) on Tuesday. Strung it up that evening, and played doubles Wednesday. Additionally, I'm finishing up the TW Playtest for the Poly Tour REV string, so I had to play the first couple of sets w/ that, and by then my back was a mess (my serve isn't powerful to begin with, but I was probably in the mid 65s and it was getting destroyed).

I'm likely not going to be able to serve for the next week, so hitting/drilling is all I can offer in the short term. I do have extensive competitive play w/ the 2018 VCORE 98 +, so I think I should be able to get a decent feeling of how the new one it will perform under matchplay situations. Also, when we drill, we normally play doubles tiebreakers (i.e. only play cross-court), so while I may not be serving, my partner will be, and I'll get some idea of actual 'point play'.

Hopefully I'll heal quickly and will be able to use it in Naples after the New Year. I'll get some really good clay court play with it down there.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
@McLovin
-yeah, tnx for the additional info, it gave me something more to look at
-i find doubles play to be ,"perfect test conditions" for stability of a racket
-you do a lot more quick hits and volleys
-i find that hitting from the baseline it is more about the power, spin and/or sweet spot
 
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Angelface

New User
I just pre-ordered two 2021 VC98 weight matched with yellow PTP1.25 at 22 kg/48.5 lbs, my preferred configuration. Coming from previous version albeit Galaxy and with leather grip it will be interesting to test this in the coming month.
 
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I just pre-ordered two 2021 VC98 weight matched with yellow PTP1.25 at 22 kg/48.5 lbs, my preferred configuration. Coming from previous version albeit Galaxy and with leather grip it will be interesting to test this in the coming month.
I knew you couldn’t resist... hehe.
 
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Anyone know how to compare the German rating system to the US or UK system? I usually play with ppl between LK1-7 in Germany.
 

Ares2323

Rookie
Will vcore 100 2021 be more comfortable than ezone? Less stiffness and less string density should be an advantage for vcore. This version have also vdm
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
Will vcore 100 2021 be more comfortable than ezone? Less stiffness and less string density should be an advantage for vcore. This version have also vdm
It does feel less stiff, and the muted feel is more similar to the EZ.20 than say the VC.18.
LK1 = comparable to NTRP 7.0. LK7 is like NTRP 6.0-6.5
I'm quite sure LK7 is more NTRP 5.0 since ITN 3=NTRP 5.0. I wasn't allowed to play below ITN 2 comps and I'm NTRP 5.5-6.0/ITN 2, but my Deutsch buddy can and he's a LK5. This info is 2018 stuff when I tried to play a warm up comp in Germany, and I know that DTB has a new ranking system in 2020, so I may be wrong.
 
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I mean it’s just to know an approximate comparison. I mean most of my older friends are like LK3-7 as they are over 40 and don’t play any tournaments anymore. My younger buddies that I play with between 16 and 25 are LK1-3 as they are playing a lot of tournaments still. But in reality the best player in our club is an LK7 but used to play Bundesliga for a long time. And I can easily win over some of the younger LK1-3 dudes while having a lot of issues against him or a LK5 guy who just turned 30.
I’m just always wondering what 4.0 or 4.5 means. And then reading that some of those guys are playing with really, really heavy racquets. Now I wonder even more.
Most of the younger dudes play with quite light racquets while the mix in the higher age category goes from 300 - 340 unstrung.
 

Sardines

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I mean it’s just to know an approximate comparison. I mean most of my older friends are like LK3-7 as they are over 40 and don’t play any tournaments anymore. My younger buddies that I play with between 16 and 25 are LK1-3 as they are playing a lot of tournaments still. But in reality the best player in our club is an LK7 but used to play Bundesliga for a long time. And I can easily win over some of the younger LK1-3 dudes while having a lot of issues against him or a LK5 guy who just turned 30.
I’m just always wondering what 4.0 or 4.5 means. And then reading that some of those guys are playing with really, really heavy racquets. Now I wonder even more.
Most of the younger dudes play with quite light racquets while the mix in the higher age category goes from 300 - 340 unstrung.
Well ratings are just to categorize players. UTR 13 U15 juniors can't beat older 12s adults etc etc. As for racquets, it's really what we grew up with. Lighter racquets are more in the 90s onwards, taking over in the 00s, and graphite racquets from the 80s were still pretty past the 320g range, coming from the wood age. So juniors evolve into seniors and will add weight or find racquets that fit their evolving game. Nothing new. Sort of like life, as a kid you need something lighter, then you grow and use something heavier, then as you age, you go lighter again, IF you want to maintain some sort of semblance to the game you played, for as long as possible, that includes bigger frames etc.
 
TW video reviews are up for the 95 and 100! General impressions confirm the more muted feel, which seems a little polarizing. Thanks TW, looking forward to the written reviews.

 
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TW video reviews are up for the 95 and 100! General impressions confirm the more muted feel, which seems a little polarizing. Thanks TW, looking forward to the written reviews.

I think it’s so interesting how a lot you out here rely on these reviews so much. Sometimes a new racquet comes out and everybody here likes it and then the review gives some negatives and everybody is switching out of the racquet again. It’s not that good after all... I mean yeah, they wanna sell new racquets and they’re doing a great job in convincing so many people here that the new generation is so much better, you need to buy it! It’s actually funny how easy this works. Yeah, why comment even, I’m asking this myself, so I’m out of here.
Peace out!
Keep buying everyone, if you really think that makes you a better player, or at least a happier person! Haha.
 

DaylightBlue

New User
I think it’s so interesting how a lot you out here rely on these reviews so much. Sometimes a new racquet comes out and everybody here likes it and then the review gives some negatives and everybody is switching out of the racquet again. It’s not that good after all... I mean yeah, they wanna sell new racquets and they’re doing a great job in convincing so many people here that the new generation is so much better, you need to buy it! It’s actually funny how easy this works. Yeah, why comment even, I’m asking this myself, so I’m out of here.
Peace out!
Keep buying everyone, if you really think that makes you a better player, or at least a happier person! Haha.
You are right but your phrasing and wording need some work or you need to find something else to keep your thoughts preoccupied. The person you are replying to wasn't even talking about how the racquets were better than the previous generation.
 
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