James P

G.O.A.T.
Figured it was time to revisit after the second Masters title, first on clay, of Carlitos' season. He's now the #1 contender, up to +200 just behind Nadal's +137. Notable that Nadal isn't in the negative odds like he used to routinely be at RG.

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BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I think Novak probably won more Bo5 matches at last year's French Open alone than Alcaraz has won in his entire career, and yet he now has lower odds than the kid.
I think the only five set matches Carlos has been in were these four:

1. 2021 Wimbledon R1 against the Japanese player, Yasutaka
2-3: The Tsistipas USO match last year (and the round before against a German player Peter --?)
4: Berrettini at this year's AO.

Someone can correct me if there's more fiver-setters I missed.
 
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bullfan

Legend
I think Novak probably won more Bo5 matches at last year's French Open alone than Alcaraz has won in his entire career, and yet he now has lower odds than the kid.

Wild times.
Folks presume the kid has stamina after the back to back Nadal/Novak matches
 
I think Novak probably won more Bo5 matches at last year's French Open alone than Alcaraz has won in his entire career, and yet he now has lower odds than the kid.

Wild times.

This is true, but the markets have been ultra bullish on Carlitos, and he’s proven them right so far.
 

Midaso240

Legend
I disagree with having Alcaraz above Djokovic, I'd have him tied with Tsitsipas. Even though he owns Stef, Stef still has the experience of making the final last year and almost winning it
 
Djokovic followed by Alcaraz are the favorites for RG. I can't believe they have Novak at 3rd. Totally ridiculous, and bound to blow up in their faces.
 

gjm127

Hall of Fame
Figured it was time to revisit after the second Masters title, first on clay, of Carlitos' season. He's now the #1 contender, up to +200 just behind Nadal's +137. Notable that Nadal isn't in the negative odds like he used to routinely be at RG.

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Jesus, do they actually watch tennis?

Thiem :-D
Alcaraz 2nd after.. Nadal ? :-D

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aldeayeah

G.O.A.T.
I think Novak probably won more Bo5 matches at last year's French Open alone than Alcaraz has won in his entire career
I get your point, but not really

Botic in AO'21
Bernabe Zapata and Basilashvili in RG'21
Uchiyama in WB'21
Norrie, Rinderknech, Tsitsipas and Gojowczyk in USO'21
Tabilo and Lajovic in AO'22

That's 10!

(For reference, Rafa had won 9 slam matches in his career going into 2005 RG, plus 3 Davis Cup rubbers)
 

Gt86

Professional
Alcaraz on current form is favourite ahead of Nadal. Nadal is notnthe unbeatable clay courter he once was. That ship sailed last year in Monte Carlo as a loss to Rublev would never ever have happened in his halcyon clay era.
Rafa nowadays makes far too many UFEs. What separated him from the rest on clay for almost 2 decades was he didn't miss. Often less than 15 UFEs in a match and often single digit UFEs. Nowadays he is consistently over 30 UFEs in bo3 set matches. I feel he is now better on hard courts than clay.
Alcaraz also hits far too many UFEs but the difference is he can compensate by hitting winners at will off both wings and has a monster serve he can hit out of nowhere which often is on big points be it a flat 225kph missile or the heavy kicker.
Djokovic seems to lack stamina. Been noticeable for the last year and that is not going to magically improve. He has developed the best serve in the game though and if he plays like he did in Madrid it's hard to see who will beat him at Wimbledon. On clay at sea level though I think Djokovic is vulnerable.
The draw this year will be pivotal.
Thiem as 6th favourite has to be the funniest joke of the year. He isn't even 60th fav!
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Figured it was time to revisit after the second Masters title, first on clay, of Carlitos' season. He's now the #1 contender, up to +200 just behind Nadal's +137. Notable that Nadal isn't in the negative odds like he used to routinely be at RG.

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Why is Thiem even in there?
Maybe 2023.
 

jl809

Hall of Fame
It’ll come down to Tiny Carlos vs Djoker. Based on the fact that Djoker wasn’t at peak at Madrid but still nearly beat Chaz, who I don’t think has a higher level, I’m going to say Djoker will take it. It’s triple career grand slam time guys :p
 
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With Rafa’s loss in Rome he will be seeded 5th and Tsitsipas 4th for RG
1-2 Djokovic Medvedev
3-4 Zverev Tsitsipas
5-6 Nadal Alcaraz
7-8 Rublev FAA


The draw will be huge.

No Nadal-Alcaraz clash before the SF.
Djokovic, Tsitsipas and Nadal in the same half possible.
 

AgassiSuperSlam11

Professional
Perhaps I jinxed Nadal but I posted that he could be a #5 seed in RO and get a tough draw in which he needs to beat Joker, Alcaraz, and Zverev/Tsitsipas to win the title. It will be interesting which section Alcaraz and Nadal are put in the QF? Trust me, I don't think Joker wants Nadal or Alcaraz in the QF because even if he wins it may take a lot out of him earlier than desired.
 

Gt86

Professional
Alcaraz is def winning now
Alcaraz skipping Rome was a masterstroke. Let him recharge mentally and watch the guys Duke it out in Rome.
It's almost written in the stars Alcaraz wins RG. And here is a little left field prediction. If, big if granted, FAA troubles Djokovic tomorrow and its a close match FAA I think May win Wimbledon as bizarre as that sounds. He actually has all the tools apart from mentally. Clay is by far his worse surface so a close match with Djokovic may just flick the switch coupled with the sight of Alcaraz making his moves.
Now I've said that watch Djokovic win 6-4 6-0 lol
 

AgassiSuperSlam11

Professional
Perhaps I jinxed Nadal but I posted that he could be a #5 seed in RO and get a tough draw in which he needs to beat Joker, Alcaraz, and Zverev/Tsitsipas to win the title. It will be interesting which section Alcaraz and Nadal are put in the QF? Trust me, I don't think Joker wants Nadal or Alcaraz in the QF because even if he wins it may take a lot out of him earlier than desired.

As i said in this post and a few others that there was a good possibility of Nadal was #5 he'll be put with the same draw along with Joker, Alcaraz, and Zverev. Joker and Bull faced each other 3 consecutive years and somehow as #6 seed he got Joker in a QF. Stefanos was given an early birthday present just let the other half obliterate each other and I get the legendary clay specialist Medvedev as my #2 seed on my half.
 
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