Next gen can never be trusted for anything. Are younger generations just getting mentally weaker and weaker?

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
Zverev OUT against Fritz, after being a heavy pre match favorite, winning the 1st set, being 5-2 up in the final set and holding multiple match points

Medvedev OUT against Dimitrov, after being a heavy pre match favorite, winning the first set and up a double break in the 2nd

Tsitsipas OUT against the unseeded Basilashvili, after being a heavy pre match favorite and after getting mid-match coaching/cheating from his dad for the umpteenth time

I think they are a lost cause at this point, from a mental strength perspective. The players younger than them are mentally even worse, which is incredibly worrying. Are the guys aged 30+ the last generation of mentally strong players? It certainly feels that way. I think each new generation will be mentally weaker than the last.

What do you think?
 
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LostGen was better. Unfortunately they had to contend with a better, younger Big 3 so they don't have quite the results. . the future of the game is doomed. No one is going to pay tickets to see see NextBumGen underachieve. ANd where is that Gopher/Squirrel Thiem? Is he done crying on his pillow yet?
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Bs, how many players you know from 96 to have even resume like Med or Zverev outside slam, apart from Big 4.
We are again entering into era where winning 3 or 4 master level tournament was for life time.
I mean I was big fan of hewitt, but the guy till 2005 won only 2 master level tournament, (outside of queens, his queens draw was tough even when queen was rated as atp 250).
People nowadays says that master tournament was not compulsory, they make it like winning some smaller tournament like Adelaide or Sydney was better than winning Cincinnati
 
Bs, how many players you know from 96 to have even resume like Med or Zverev outside slam, apart from Big 4.
We are again entering into era where winning 3 or 4 master level tournament was for life time.
I mean I was big fan of hewitt, but the guy till 2005 won only 2 master level tournament, (outside of queens, his queens draw was tough even when queen was rated as atp 250).
People nowadays says that master tournament was not compulsory, they make it like winning some smaller tournament like Adelaide or Sydney was better than winning Cincinnati

Med/Zverev/Tstsipas wouldn't have have a big title to their name if the Big 3 were young still. Maybe a fluke year end title.
 

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
LostGen was better. Unfortunately they had to contend with a better, younger Big 3 so they don't have quite the results. . the future of the game is doomed. No one is going to pay tickets to see see NextBumGen underachieve. ANd where is that Gofer/Squirrel Thiem? Is he done crying on his pillow yet?
Why is every generation getting mentally weaker? It's happening in the women's game too. Serena's generation was mentally tougher than Osaka's generation, for instance. Maybe it's a society wide thing, not just a tennis thing.
 
Why is every generation getting mentally weaker? It's happening in the women's game too. Serena's generation was mentally tougher than Osaka's generation, for instance. Maybe it's a society wide thing, not just a tennis thing.
Society is very weak these days. Its an "everyone gets a trophy, you're all winners, and don't hurt anyone's feelings or insult anyone " society. So no one puts in the work. Too much money is being paid too IMO to these losers.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Society is very weak these days. Its an "everyone gets a trophy, you're all winners, and don't hurt anyone's feelings or insult anyone " society. So no one puts in the work. Too much money is being paid too IMO to these losers.
There is definitely some truth in this. I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future the winner has to apologise to the loser for beating him.
 
On the positive side, matches and tournaments are much more exciting these days, because no one can predict the outcome. It was getting boring when we knew the big3 will win everything.
True.. But people pay to see great players do great things, break records and great rivaliries. Not guys that go on a little hotstreak then completely disappear the rest of the season
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
True.. But people pay to see great players do great things, break records and great rivaliries. Not guys that go on a little hotstreak then completely disappear the rest of the season
Yes I know. I was trying hard to find a positive aspect to this PR disaster. If we’re lucky, the final will be played between Fritz and Dimitrov, and that would be the least underwhelming option.
 

nachiket nolefam

Hall of Fame
On the positive side, matches and tournaments are much more exciting these days, because no one can predict the outcome. It was getting boring when we knew the big3 will win everything.
Lol. This isn't exciting at all. Basilashvilli will win the masters beating Dimitrov or someone now. Never been fan of variety just for the sake of variety.
 
Truly Djokovic is the greatest hoarder of them all, as being younger and fresher than the rival ATGs, he is the one to profit most from the Death of Tennis as we knew it. A permanent decline has occurred, whereby glorious historic displays have been forever shelved as a relic of the past. Now, when you see a top player deliver a beatdown, it's because his opponent sucked that much rather than sustained brilliance on the winner's part. Of course, to you jokers, tennis waning is a warmly welcome development, as long as it propels the one you vicariously derive superiority from to grab some more sweet titles. Après vous, le déluge.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Med's always been a nutcase that runs hot & cold even within the same match. But he held his nerve in the most important match of the season, so I'm definitely not going to get on his case for that loss. The only failure is on the fans for expecting him to suddenly be some rock solid #1 all year. That's not who he is.

Zverev I can't defend the double-faults making a sudden reappearance and I didn't watch the Tsitsipas match.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I don’t think he nailed it 100%. He should have accused the others of being fascist, misogynistic, homophobic, racist scumbags.
If it was the 90's they'd definitely let him go that far lol. (and society being so soft now is exactly why he can't). Given what he can say without offending the masses, he's nailing it :D
 
Truly Djokovic is the greatest hoarder of them all, as being younger and fresher than the rival ATGs, he is the one to profit most from the Death of Tennis as we knew it. A permanent decline has occurred, whereby glorious historic displays have been forever shelved as a relic of the past. Now, when you see a top player deliver a beatdown, it's because his opponent sucked that much rather than sustained brilliance on the winner's part. Of course, to you jokers, tennis waning is a warmly welcome development, as long as it propels the one you vicariously derive superiority from to grab some more sweet titles. Après vous, le déluge.
Yeah, Vulturevic has made out like a bandit between the age-related decline of Fatherer and the incompetence of the Nextgen.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Med's always been a nutcase that runs hot & cold even within the same match. But he held his nerve in the most important match of the season, so I'm definitely not going to get on his case for that loss. The only failure is on the fans for expecting him to suddenly be some rock solid #1 all year. That's not who he is.

Zverev I can't defend the double-faults making a sudden reappearance and I didn't watch the Tsitsipas match.
Perfect answer, to be fair apart from big 4 or Ferrer there has been not many any consistent player, even Sampras outside Wimbledon or last few us Open run was not consistent all across the year
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
These guys aren’t even ‘young’ anymore, they are all 23-25 and have been on tour 5+ years each. They should all be in their prime right now

Most players before the big 3 had their best career achievements in this age range. This may be as good as they ever get
 

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
These guys aren’t even ‘young’ anymore, they are all 23-25 and have been on tour 5+ years each. They should all be in their prime right now

Most players before the big 3 had their best career achievements in this age range. This may be as good as they ever get
Yeah that's what I mean! That's why I said I think they are a lost cause at this point, which is a shame.
 

pj80

Hall of Fame
On the positive side, matches and tournaments are much more exciting these days, because no one can predict the outcome. It was getting boring when we knew the big3 will win everything.
But we didn't which one of the big 3
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
i honestly think that medvedev, tsitsipas, and zverev might be
the worst #2, #3, #4 ranked players in history..
 

gadge

Professional
Medvedev and is probably still a little hungover from USO.

Did you expect medvedev to go on a crazy winning streak just after his maiden slam. He was expected to have a bit of a lull. Give the man a break, he and zverev have already proved themselves better than the lost gem outside the slams. Look at their masters titles.

But the rest, yeah they’re worse.
 

beard

Legend
Let's see the facts...
Who won last edition of masters:
Miami... Hurkacz
IW... Thiem
Monte... Tsitsipas
Madrid... Zverev
Rome... Nadal
Canada... Medvedev
Cin... Zverev
Sha... Medvedev
Paris... Medvedev

So, only Nadal of big 3 plus Zverev two times, Medvedev 3 times, plus Tsi, plus Hur, plus Thiem, all younger players...

8/9 younger players... But don't bother to care about facts, continue your agenda... When big 3 ruled tennis story was "where are younger players", they win 8/9 it's again " next generation suck "... Lol...
 
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NAS

Hall of Fame
Let's see the facts...
Who won last edition of masters:
Miami... Hurkacz
IW... Thiem
Monte... Tsitsipas
Madrid... Zverev
Rome... Nadal
Canada... Zverev
Cinema... Zverev
Sha... Medvedev
Paris... Medvedev

So, only Nadal of big 3 plus Zverev three times, Medvedev 2 times, plus Tsi, plus Hur, plus Thiem, all younger players...

8/9 younger players... But don't bother to care about facts, continue your agenda... When big 3 ruled tennis story was "where are younger players", they win 8/9 it's again " next generation suck "... Lol...
Canada is won by Med
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
These guys aren’t even ‘young’ anymore, they are all 23-25 and have been on tour 5+ years each. They should all be in their prime right now

Most players before the big 3 had their best career achievements in this age range. This may be as good as they ever get
Yeah that's what I mean! That's why I said I think they are a lost cause at this point, which is a shame.
These guys are ranked #2, #3, and #4 in the world. I'm not sure what you guys are expecting from them, they've all had fantastic seasons with great results. A bad match and suddenly their entire 2021 cv's are a disaster. You sound like TennisFan3 now lmao.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
These guys are ranked #2, #3, and #4 in the world. I'm not sure what you guys are expecting from them, they've all had fantastic seasons with great results. A bad match and suddenly their entire 2021 cv's are a disaster. You sound like TennisFan3 now lmao.
They didn't have bad years, outside atg players, that was quite normal year, Edbeg in 92 when he finished year end no. 2 has similar year like Med
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
You are not playing against part time mechanics, you play elite competition. All these players are high level professionals, you are gonna lose and win some. Expecting the favs to just win every match they enter is a bit ignorant and stupid thinking.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
Zverev OUT against Fritz, after being a heavy pre match favorite, winning the 1st set, being 5-2 up in the final set and holding multiple match points

Medvedev OUT against Dimitrov, after being a heavy pre match favorite, winning the first set and up a double break in the 2nd

Tsitsipas OUT against the unseeded Basilashvili, after being a heavy pre match favorite and after getting mid-match coaching/cheating from his dad for the umpteenth time

I think they are a lost cause at this point, from a mental strength perspective. The players younger than them are mentally even worse, which is incredibly worrying. Are the guys aged 30+ the last generation of mentally strong players? It certainly feels that way. I think each new generation will be mentally weaker than the last.

What do you think?
As I grow older, I’m getting mentally stronger following your threads.
 
But, but consistency is a joke... The mythical peak is what they all should strive for... :whistle:
Problem is, 3/4 semifinalists haven't even sniffed a fraction of this legendary peak. Present time bias since it's technically possible that may yet happen in the future, but do you honestly believe it. Sounds unbelievable but Trough now has to save this masters by winning it - at least he is a former masters champ.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
They still have some work to do but instantly forgetting the US Open and focusing on the postponed, isolated Indian Wells doesn't sit well with me...
 

Slicehand

Professional
Tennis changes too, i dont like this necessity to blame players all the time, plus dont you prefer a stronger competition? Its like people want only one or two players to be winning everything so they can become fanboys, a little sad
 

Biotic

Hall of Fame
Problem is, 3/4 semifinalists haven't even sniffed a fraction of this legendary peak. Present time bias since it's technically possible that may yet happen in the future, but do you honestly believe it. Sounds unbelievable but Trough now has to save this masters by winning it - at least he is a former masters champ.
I was referring to Med and Zed.
 
I was referring to Med and Zed.
*shrugs* Medvedev's style doesn't make for a historic peak due to his dulled offense... sub-Hewitt territory I would say. Good on its own but not cool for the currently most successful player in his entire birth decade. Zverev has a strong peak potential of course, but his choking proclivities remain strong as ever. That 0-11 record against top 10 in slams in getting ridiculous.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
But, but consistency is a joke... The mythical peak is what they all should strive for... :whistle:
Ranking doesn't matter either according to these jokers such as OP as "level of play" on the day matters. Roflmao.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Bs, how many players you know from 96 to have even resume like Med or Zverev outside slam, apart from Big 4.
We are again entering into era where winning 3 or 4 master level tournament was for life time.
I mean I was big fan of hewitt, but the guy till 2005 won only 2 master level tournament, (outside of queens, his queens draw was tough even when queen was rated as atp 250).
People nowadays says that master tournament was not compulsory, they make it like winning some smaller tournament like Adelaide or Sydney was better than winning Cincinnati
Hewitt won the YEC twice as well too you know...

His Queen's titles were worth more than a masters in this era lol. Some of his 250 and 500 wins featured quality opponents and draws too - though obviously others were soft.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Hewitt won the YEC twice as well too you know...

His Queen's titles were worth more than a masters in this era lol. Some of his 250 and 500 wins featured quality opponents and draws too - though obviously others were soft.
I know that he won 2 yec and clearly said that his queens draw was tough.
Apart from grass, regarding other tournament draw is piece of luck, some get 500 tough draw, some get easy, doesn't mean I start valuing atp 500 more than atp 1000..
If you are good enough to win atp 500 with tough draw, then you should also win atp 1000 , if you can't then it's your fault.
Novak Djokovic Rome 21 was tougher than Rome 2020 but I will not going to give him extra point for that, his Rome 2020 win will be bigger
 

goldengate14

Professional
LostGen was better. Unfortunately they had to contend with a better, younger Big 3 so they don't have quite the results. . the future of the game is doomed. No one is going to pay tickets to see see NextBumGen underachieve. ANd where is that Gopher/Squirrel Thiem? Is he done crying on his pillow yet?
I have totally changed my predictions for next season now.
AO djokovic
Fo Nadal
W Djokovic or Federer
USo Nadal

Honestly if the Big 3 can stay fit they will simply be the only slam contenders when they are all eligible for senior tour.
the empty stands this week show tennis is finished after Big 3.
 
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