paulie-japan
Rookie
Does anyone have any info on Shapovalov's real racquet specs? Or other Next Gen players' specs? I am interested to know! If you have any input, I would be grateful! Cheers
Next Gen players racket specs!
- Thread starter paulie-japan
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I only really know Dominic Thiem's...
Babolat Pure Strike 18x20 (2014 Edition)
- Strung Weight (w/Tournagrip): 337 Grams (~11.9 Ounces)
- Swingweight: 345
- Balance: 33 cm (~4 Point Head Light)
- Strings - Mains: Babolat VS Touch 16 (25 Kg/55 Lbs.) / Crosses: Babolat RPM Blast 17 (25 Kg./55 Lbs.)
Babolat Pure Strike 18x20 (2014 Edition)
- Strung Weight (w/Tournagrip): 337 Grams (~11.9 Ounces)
- Swingweight: 345
- Balance: 33 cm (~4 Point Head Light)
- Strings - Mains: Babolat VS Touch 16 (25 Kg/55 Lbs.) / Crosses: Babolat RPM Blast 17 (25 Kg./55 Lbs.)
paulie-japan
Rookie
Thiem uses a racket that light?
Arti
Professional
Khachanov:
310 grams
31.8cm balance
*Specs unstrung and without overgrip (he uses a synthetic under grip btw)
ALU Power at 25/23 kg.
paulie-japan
Rookie
I'm surprised to hear Thiem and now Khachanov use such light rackets! Do you have a source of this info?
Arti
Professional
Khachanov info is directly from the customizer, they talk about specs from 4:11 to about 4:40 in the video (video is in spanish as the customizer is based in barcelona):
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paulie-japan
Rookie
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Stan Wawrinka’s real racquet specs:
Racquet: Yonex vcore 95D
Paint Job: yonex vcore tour G (330)
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: strung: 372 grams (with overgrip)
Balance: 32.1 OR 32.3
Swingweight: 359-360
Stiffness: 63-64
Lead placement: 3 & 9 O’clock
Leads length: 5 inch
Grip: 4 3/8
Replacement grip: Yonex leather
Strings: Babolat RPM Blast 16g
String Pattern: 16×20
Tension: 27 KG(61 pounds) /25 kg (57 pounds)
Djokovic's real specs:
Racquet: Head LM Radical Mold (PT113B1)
Paint Job: Head Graphene XT Speed Pro
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: 359 g strung
Balance: 32.8 cm strung
Swingweight: 370
Stiffness: 60 RA
Lead placement: All around outside, top half of handle
Over grip: Wilson Pro Overgrip
Grip: 4 3/8, custom with side bevels extended making it more rectangular. Uses two overgrips over Head Calfskin. First overgrip wrapped with no overlapping, top overgrip normal.
Strings: Babolat VS/alu power?
String Pattern: 18x20
Tension: 27/27.5 kg
Thiem real specs: according to @dgoran
337g unstrung
330 balance
345 swingweight
L2 grip molded to head rectangular shape
If anyone has more to add, I'd love to find out more
Just an off the shelf racket? He doesn't have any customization done? I don't think rackets so light would stand up to the power and heaviness of the balls top pros are hitting. Correct me if I am wrong, but most top pros use rackets around 335 to 350g, no?
Stan Wawrinka’s real racquet specs:
Racquet: Yonex vcore 95D
Paint Job: yonex vcore tour G (330)
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: strung: 372 grams (with overgrip)
Balance: 32.1 OR 32.3
Swingweight: 359-360
Stiffness: 63-64
Lead placement: 3 & 9 O’clock
Leads length: 5 inch
Grip: 4 3/8
Replacement grip: Yonex leather
Strings: Babolat RPM Blast 16g
String Pattern: 16×20
Tension: 27 KG(61 pounds) /25 kg (57 pounds)
Djokovic's real specs:
Racquet: Head LM Radical Mold (PT113B1)
Paint Job: Head Graphene XT Speed Pro
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: 359 g strung
Balance: 32.8 cm strung
Swingweight: 370
Stiffness: 60 RA
Lead placement: All around outside, top half of handle
Over grip: Wilson Pro Overgrip
Grip: 4 3/8, custom with side bevels extended making it more rectangular. Uses two overgrips over Head Calfskin. First overgrip wrapped with no overlapping, top overgrip normal.
Strings: Babolat VS/alu power?
String Pattern: 18x20
Tension: 27/27.5 kg
Thiem real specs: according to @dgoran
337g unstrung
330 balance
345 swingweight
L2 grip molded to head rectangular shape
If anyone has more to add, I'd love to find out more
Eichiro
Rookie
No clue about any of that in regards to Nishioka's racquet. I haven't been able to find any information about his customization or string tension, just that if you zoom in on his frame from this year, it's a vcore sv 98 and the strings look like gut and poly tour spin
haqq777
Legend
Would recommend finding @moon shot thread on pros equipment specs. Was pretty detailed if I recall correctly. Not sure how many next gen players in there though.
moon shot
Hall of Fame
I gave up, but here it is
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/search-is-your-friend.579634/
moon shot
Hall of Fame
That entry, and others are linked, Chicago jack had a pretty good take on itJust looked at moon shot's thread... Murray's at 400+ SW?!
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/andy-murrays-racket-specs.278023/page-2#post-7732056
He is probably swinging less after injuries but I haven’t seen measurements. I figure he is still pretty high up there considering his all his movement looks soooo haaaard.
Simon_the_furry
Hall of Fame
That's kind of cool to see them using racquets that me, a 4.0, could actually play properly with, I think.
swinter07
Rookie
Totally. I mod my racquets to around 303g unstrung, which is only 7g lighter than Kachanov's
AMGF
Professional
It's not the weight, it's the swing weight. The current trend for top players is to use low weight/high swing weight frames (polarized set ups).
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
I think Goffin as well.
moon shot
Hall of Fame
Shapovalov and Rublev's wilson frames, while I don't know their specs, do have some minimum specs that arn't light.
Most 6.1 18x20 prostocks are around:
Strung weight: 13.0 oz. / 369 gr.
Strung balance: 310 mm
Stiffness: 65
Strung weight: 12.9 oz. / 366 gr.
Strung balance: 328 mm
Stiffness: 60
Most 6.1 18x20 prostocks are around:
Strung weight: 13.0 oz. / 369 gr.
Strung balance: 310 mm
Stiffness: 65
Strung weight: 12.9 oz. / 366 gr.
Strung balance: 328 mm
Stiffness: 60
paulie-japan
Rookie
I'd suspect that they are using heavier frames... I don't see how they could hit so hard and heavily with such light frames
moon shot
Hall of Fame
heavier than 369g? Those are probably around 345sw stock. I'm just saying this is possibly the the floor, any modification they are going up.
paulie-japan
Rookie
No, no, not heavier than 369...I mean heavier than 310g range which is what his Yonex racket is advertised as!
The weight of the racket is important but ATP pros in general have much higher SW than stock retail rackets. Theim is quoted at 345SW above but not sure if that's strung or unstrung. Wawrinka is around 360SW. Djoko is 370SW. Federer is 355SW and Nadal is around 360SW. Murray was 400SW but likely lower. Most ATP pros are 350SW or more.
Most retail rackets are under 330SW with many well under 320SW. For me, SW 338 and above begins to feel heavy. I've gone as high as 340SW and that feels pretty heavy but it plays very stable with a lot of plow through contact. Now, I am 335SW strung, dampener and overgrip and it feels good - still light enough to handle easily and plenty of plow through and stability. I don't think I could play 350SW or higher. I also don't think I need to as the pace I play is no where near as fast as pro pace.
paulie-japan
Rookie
I got my custom VCore SV95 today from yonex. Interestingly enough it had HG on the frame which would make me believe that they make the HG model for all pro models... Not just Stans frame..and then the pros just customise from there!? I'm just presuming here...if anyone has any other info/data, let me know
Will post pictures tomorrow
Will post pictures tomorrow
Simon_the_furry
Hall of Fame
I play with a racquet that has a swingweight of 322 grams unstrung. I know a 5.0 player at my local courts that uses a ProKennex Ki 5 PSE, which has an unstrung swingweight of 345. I've hit with that ProKennex. It was surprisingly usable for me, I just had to slow my swing down and be smooth. If I tried to focus on whipping it instead of driving the ball, it wasn't comfortable.
SW seems to be critical. There are several post that have Serena and Venus playing static weight under 11 oz but SW around 370. Nadal also has static weight just under 12 oz and SW around 360. Carlos Moya also had low static weight and high SW and may have influenced Nadal. Justine Henin was another one that had static weight under 11 oz and high SW but I cannot remember her exact SW.
Dartagnan64
Legend
no idea how you get such high SW's with a low static weight racket and a head light balance. That's some wicked customization.
put 2 or 3 layers of lead tape from 10 to 2 o'clock under the bumper. 12 grams of lead would add near 36 SW units, and balance would be impact by reducing about 2 to 2.5 points HL (more toward even or HH). If I recall, Moya's frame was reported to be even or HH. Nadal's I think is HL but not a great deal. Williams are HL but not much. An overgrip adds about 6 or 7 G to the handle so that would offset some of the lead added to the head and shift balance back toward HL.
acintya
Legend
blade is stiff + hawaian grip. god damn? is he playin the blade?
moon shot
Hall of Fame
Nope, h22.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
RPM blast or RPM blast rough ??
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
L2, wouldn't grip that small cause some arm problems ?
ron schaap
Professional
So now he added some weight to his racquets, but the story goes that in the beginning while testing the Babolat pure strike 18x20 non-tour, which he bought in the shop, already liked in its non customized version.
Remember he is a spin player, so it makes no sense for him to play with super heavy racquets that makes it too difficult to impart spin. Nadals racquets arent that heavy either.
MattCrosby
Professional
Rough
Is this unstrung weight ? Look at the last post on this page and it has unstrung weight as 337gm . String weight adds at least 10grams plus vibration dampener. And this is 18g poly cross with 16g multifilament main . 18x20 youtek graphene speed pro .
ron schaap
Professional
It seems unlikely that Thiem who first used his Pure strike 18x20 original of 305 gr in stock form changed his racquets to now 337 gr unstrung. 32 gr of lead is a lot!
tribesmen
Professional
I am sure Thiem does not play with a racquet from a store! Babolat makes racquets only for him. There is no chance you can buy Thiem racquet in store.
You must be aware that also pro players around 300 ATP ranking use paint job of store racquets, but they get special racquets that are not available for us rec players.
You must be aware that also pro players around 300 ATP ranking use paint job of store racquets, but they get special racquets that are not available for us rec players.
Exactly . My retail youtek graphene speed pro is 315 gr unstrung stock , I put 5.5 gr lead tape , over grip , dampener, and is 339gr unstrung and 350gr strung, 343 swing weight. That’s only 12gr more than Thiem and feels a lot lighter than the 12.3 oz static weight because it’s polarizing graphene in the throat area .
Power Player
Talk Tennis Guru
It’s funny how some people think you can’t possibly handle weight of shot with a 310 unstrung stock frame. You absolutely can, and its more about your timing where you meet the ball than anything. I also play now and then with a guy who put all this lead tape on his frames and has the laziest footwork I have ever seen. I think people put too much stock into the wrong stuff sometimes.
tribesmen
Professional
PP, the problem is not 310 gram racket itself (probably just ok for majority of rec players), the problem could be an opponent on the other side of the net.
I believe that 310gr, the SW317 is not a problem if you just rallying or hitting with someone who is not at your level, but if there is a "big one" on the other side of the net, serves 200km/h, then 310gr/317SW is a toy
I believe that 310gr, the SW317 is not a problem if you just rallying or hitting with someone who is not at your level, but if there is a "big one" on the other side of the net, serves 200km/h, then 310gr/317SW is a toy
Bobs tennis
Semi-Pro
Well this settles it my gamma big bubba is now almost main stream.
AMGF
Professional
Nope as it has to keep a HL balance. The big bubba will never be trendy outside the 65yo age group.
Bobs tennis
Semi-Pro
Those young guys shouldn't be allowed to use bubba but Bring it down to 28 add some weight under handle and you have almost even balance,light,and sw about 360
AMGF
Professional
There was a pro that used the Bubba. I don't remember his name but he had some success with it. Maybe it's the next big thing in Tennis.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
I tried one at 27.5” and even balance. It was awesome
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ron schaap
Professional
Im rather surprised that you are able to write so sensible after you attacked me in the Yonex regna discussion for no reason and with no arguments.
Power Player
Talk Tennis Guru
I’ve read enough of your posts and theories on frames to know that would be a waste of my time.
ron schaap
Professional
Im not telling my theory, but pure unbiased scientific based conclusions of others. However there is appearantly a majority who like to pay 450bucks for a wet noodle and then need expensive multi or even more expensive gut to play wel. Not to mention the complaints on the wilson clash discussion that they cant feel the ball. Offcourse you dont if there is that much dampening. And all the other myths like powerpads. Really.
So you dont have viable arguments otherwise you would use them. Powerplayer, but weak in arguments.
Power Player
Talk Tennis Guru
Ron it is very hard to take seriously someone who in this quote clearly confused scientific opinions with anecdotal ones.
But while you are in your little lab taking notes, the rest of us will be on the courts actually playing the game.