Next Gen players racket specs!

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
..,but if there is a "big one" on the other side of the net, serves 200km/h, then 310gr/317SW is a toy :)
True, but very few (maybe none) rec players hit a ball like that, even at the 4.5 level. And if an opponent did hit that ball, most adult rec players will not be helped by a markedly higher swing weight as they will not be able to move the racquet to get the ball anyway. In my experience, weighting up racquets for adult rec players is unproductive, even for so called “big hitters”.
 

haqq777

Legend
I hit with college players on a regular basis. I am a former college player myself. The quality of play at that level is much higher level than avg rec play for sure. Our local college team went to the Regionals this year. It is a Division II school and in one of the best and toughest conferences in the nation.

Coming to point, the number one kid uses Prince Textreme Warrior. A 300g racquet and swingweight of 320 strung. All stock. He was the conference player of the year. If you think college kids are competing with 350g racquets and crazy high swingweights, you could not be further from the truth.

In fact, the entire team plays stock. None of the guys I have seen in the entire conference at tournaments, season matches or conference matches used lead tape or any modifications. Just overgrips and dampners at most. And the competition they face is top notch. Everyone hits big. The balls you are getting back are top notch balls. College scene is no joke.

Look. If you are used to hefty sticks, I can understand. You can weight up to get to your comfort zone. But even a standard weight racquet in the right hands can get the job done. Plain and simple. As someone mentioned above, it is about timing and preparation. You can add a lead block to your hoop and a ton of silicon in handle and you still won't be able to hang if you don't have your basics right.
 

Faris

Professional
I hit with college players on a regular basis. I am a former college player myself. The quality of play at that level is much higher level than avg rec play for sure. Our local college team went to the Regionals this year. It is a Division II school and in one of the best and toughest conferences in the nation.

Coming to point, the number one kid uses Prince Textreme Warrior. A 300g racquet and swingweight of 320 strung. All stock. He was the conference player of the year. If you think college kids are competing with 350g racquets and crazy high swingweights, you could not be further from the truth.

In fact, the entire team plays stock. None of the guys I have seen in the entire conference at tournaments, season matches or conference matches used lead tape or any modifications. Just overgrips and dampners at most. And the competition they face is top notch. Everyone hits big. The balls you are getting back are top notch balls. College scene is no joke.

Look. If you are used to hefty sticks, I can understand. You can weight up to get to your comfort zone. But even a standard weight racquet in the right hands can get the job done. Plain and simple. As someone mentioned above, it is about timing and preparation. You can add a lead block to your hoop and a ton of silicon in handle and you still won't be able to hang if you don't have your basics right.
Laying down some truth bombs right there!
 

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
There are two kinds of adult rec players out there weighting up their racquets.

One type says “Tennis is my hobby. I want to mess around with swing weights, lead tape, etc, and see what it’s like”. To that guy, I say go for it. Everyone has a hobby. Go have fun. This guy eventually takes the lead tape off and goes back to playing normally fairly quickly.

The other type thinks “Wow these high level 4.0 players are hitting heavy. I probably need a 360 swing weight stick for stability and to handle their weight of shot”. This guy is misguided at best, and will spend years trying to “get that swing weight dialed in” to be able to finally hang with those high level 4.0 guys and ends up with shoulder pain.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
PP, the problem is not 310 gram racket itself (probably just ok for majority of rec players), the problem could be an opponent on the other side of the net.

I believe that 310gr, the SW317 is not a problem if you just rallying or hitting with someone who is not at your level, but if there is a "big one" on the other side of the net, serves 200km/h, then 310gr/317SW is a toy :)
Thats not really true either, another tt myth. I just played with a guy who was insane good - 5.5 teaching pro. His serves were probably 115 or so ( i have faced 118 on playsight with a stock babolat). My frame was more than fine. If you consider a racquet thats 332 strung to be a toy against big hitters , you are spending too much time reading forum poasts because its simply not true. Its all about the timing and footwork.

I have been using the prince 93 for the past year so its not like i dont enjoy heavy frames as well. Its just not really about the racquet that much at a certain point.

Edit - just saw Haq basically said all of this. Lol
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Seems like the balance has a lot to do with it. If liked a more even balance then I think that my frames would be much lighter. I do play with a prince tour 100 18/20 and it is very flexible. I guess that plays a part as well. I have hit with some really stiff frames with wider beams and I know they are way more stable than my stick at the same weight. I play with a kid who used a microgel radical stock and he has no trouble with pace from the back. Knocks the hell out of the ball. It is all he has ever known. His stick feels very evenly balanced to me and I don't like it. Mine are heavier but that is because I am used to a more headlight set up. Having said that, I do NOT believe that younger players today know the feeling of volleying a hard hit ball with great stability. I don't give a damn what pro does what. Those new guys only come to the net to shake hands anyway. I am not saying that they CAN'T volley, of course they can, but they most certainly do not have the stability at 11oz at net that someone like Sampras or Edberg had. Then again, they don't need it, they swing fast and win or lose from the back. There s a reason that Federer's volleys look the way they do sir, and part of that reason is that he is playing with a damn hammer. You can sing that 11 oz song all you want to, and you may have played college, bla, bla, bla, but the fact s that at the very top of the game, if you want to be able to absorb pace at the net and redirect it, you ain't gonna be successful with an 11 oz stick unless there is a **** load of weight in the head.
 

fjcamry

Semi-Pro
I miss calculated the swing weight . It’s


333. My weight strung is 340gm or 11.9 ounces. My weighing scale

read 10 grams more last time and needed a re-measurement tonight after feeling that there’s no way that adding 5.5 grams of lead on the stock frame would bring a 320 unstrung after 5.5 grams lead would equal 350 grams strung . It’s not possible.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

ron schaap

Professional
Laying down some truth bombs right there!
Seems like the balance has a lot to do with it. If liked a more even balance then I think that my frames would be much lighter. I do play with a prince tour 100 18/20 and it is very flexible. I guess that plays a part as well. I have hit with some really stiff frames with wider beams and I know they are way more stable than my stick at the same weight. I play with a kid who used a microgel radical stock and he has no trouble with pace from the back. Knocks the hell out of the ball. It is all he has ever known. His stick feels very evenly balanced to me and I don't like it. Mine are heavier but that is because I am used to a more headlight set up. Having said that, I do NOT believe that younger players today know the feeling of volleying a hard hit ball with great stability. I don't give a damn what pro does what. Those new guys only come to the net to shake hands anyway. I am not saying that they CAN'T volley, of course they can, but they most certainly do not have the stability at 11oz at net that someone like Sampras or Edberg had. Then again, they don't need it, they swing fast and win or lose from the back. There s a reason that Federer's volleys look the way they do sir, and part of that reason is that he is playing with a damn hammer. You can sing that 11 oz song all you want to, and you may have played college, bla, bla, bla, but the fact s that at the very top of the game, if you want to be able to absorb pace at the net and redirect it, you ain't gonna be successful with an 11 oz stick unless there is a **** load of weight in the head.
Edberg en Sampras are oldskool. We are talking next gen players who found out they, and we too, dont need super heavy special pro stock with special paint and super useless "powerpads". A little lead is all you need when you want to adjust balance. In fact at the Future level pro level, so even a level higher than college competition, players are using normal of the shelf racquets without lead or extra silicone in handle. I know for sure because i bought a few of his used Yonex racquets from such a Future player! Furthermore a super heavy racquet just for volleying is even counter productive. Then with fast balls you are often too late.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
so let's look at the top 10 players in the world right now. What are their specs? I am not arguing with you at all. I agree that younger players play with lighter sticks that make up for weight with some stiffness...no doubt. Plus many have close to even balances I am sure. But what are the swing weights of the TOP payers right now? Are they playng with 11oz thick beamed stiff sticks with a swing weight in the 320s?

Also, don't think that sticks are being made lighter and stiffer to meet the pro market. I believe they are being made that way to make tennis easier for the rec player. Now, of course young rec players turn into future pros and so that will be a natural progression...but it has not happened yet.
 
Last edited:

tennisgurl

Rookie
so let's look at the top 10 players in the world right now. What are their specs? I am not arguing with you at all. I agree that younger players play with lighter sticks that make up for weight with some stiffness...no doubt. Plus many have close to even balances I am sure. But what are the swing weights of the TOP payers right now? Are they playng with 11oz thick beamed stiff sticks with a swing weight in the 320s?

Also, don't think that sticks are being made lighter and stiffer to meet the pro market. I believe they are being made that way to make tennis easier for the rec player. Now, of course young rec players turn into future pros and so that will be a natural progression...but it has not happened yet.
Give it time. Things are heading that way. Six out of the top ten players right now are over 30 and one is 29. Hardly representative of young generation. Look up Roman Prokes thread and listen to that podcast. He also mentions this trend. Fritz uses a 295g racquet FYI. Thats 10.4oz. Goffin, Khachanov, etc also use light racquets. Plus you see a big majority of upcoming juniors playing retail racquets which are lighter and this is the next crop of professional tennis. I get the point you made about volleying. No doubt makes sense about stability at net, but we aren't in s&v era anymore either.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
All true no doubt. There is a player for UCLA that serves and volleys all the time. He is y’all and just won a challenger. Can’t remember his name. He plays with the banana stick. I wonder if he is using it stock.

It is interesting to watch Fed swing against Theim. Both hitting huge balls, one swinging out of his shoes and the other swinging smoothe. Cool microcosm if this discussion.
 

fjcamry

Semi-Pro
All true no doubt. There is a player for UCLA that serves and volleys all the time. He is y’all and just won a challenger. Can’t remember his name. He plays with the banana stick. I wonder if he is using it stock.

It is interesting to watch Fed swing against Theim. Both hitting huge balls, one swinging out of his shoes and the other swinging smoothe. Cool microcosm if this discussion.
I’m glad my son and I saw Thiem vs Johnson at us open 2018 and now Thiem is our 1st top 10 player we saw in person

We even got his signature on our giant tennis ball


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Top