Next gen title count by age

[nolefam_2024]

As always , I am taking the year a player turned certain age as criteria instead of exact birthdate. So a player born in late year will have advantage but this is how it goes.

Player/Age	18	19	20	21	22	23	24	Total
Thiem	0	0	0	0	3	4	1	8
Medvedev	0	0	0	0	3	4	2	9
Zverev	0	1	5	4	1	2	6	19
Tsitsipas	0	0	1	3	1	2	2	9
Rublev	0	0	1	0	1	5	1	8
Ruud	0	0	0	0	1	5	3	9
FAA	0	0	0	0	4	1	0	5
Rune	0	3	1	0				4
Alcaraz	1	5	6	4				16
Sinner	0	1	4	1	4	8		18

• Zverev among the next gen has been winning titles for a long time. He won 19 titles by age 24 which was amazing. But he has slowed down a lot.
• Alcaraz is a freak. He won 15 title by age 21 and still ongoing. He can theoretically match Zverev's 19 by end of the year.
• Sinner is second best of the lot already at 16 and also can theoretically reach 19 by end of the year.
• Thiem, Medvedev, Ruud, FAA all did not win a single title until they were 22. Rune is yet to be 22 and has won 4.

Just to add our favorite big 3 + Murray + Wawrinka + Delpo and Cilic to the list.

Player/Age	18	19	20	21	22	23	24	Total
Thiem	0	0	0	0	3	4	1	8
Medvedev	0	0	0	0	3	4	2	9
Zverev	0	1	5	4	1	2	6	19
Tsitsipas	0	0	1	3	1	2	2	9
Rublev	0	0	1	0	1	5	1	8
Ruud	0	0	0	0	1	5	3	9
FAA	0	0	0	0	4	1	0	5
Rune	0	3	1	0				4
Alcaraz	1	5	6	4				16
Sinner	0	1	4	1	4	8		18
Federer	0	0	1	3	7	11	11	33
Wawrinka	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1
Nadal	1	11	5	6	8	5	7	43
Murray	0	1	2	5	6	2	5	21
Djokovic	2	5	4	5	2	10	6	34
Del Potro	0	0	4	3	0	2	4	13
Cilic	0	0	1	2	2	1	2	8

 

[nolefam_2024]

Wawrinka barely registered until 2014 where he won more than a title in a year. In next 2 years from 2014 to 2016, Wawrinka won more than half of his career title haul.
11 titles won in the 3 years.
Over almost rest of the 20 years, 5 titles won.

 

[nolefam_2024]

We can clearly see from graph who showed potential early on.

Only zverev sinner and raz showed potential to be top player.

Raz is better than all but Nadal
Sinner is better than Andy Murray
And Zverev is better than all below Murray by age 24


Then zverev has gone down a lot so anything can happen but let's see.

 

[Sport]

Excellent thread, as usual. Magnificent analytical effort by @nolefam_2024.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Excellent thread, as usual. Magnificent analytical effort by @nolefam_2024.

Most fascinating is how much a gap between big 3 + Murray and all but sineraz would have..

Zverev's 19 was best in the next gen while Andy Murray himself is 2 ahead. In definitely the toughest era of last 30 years now.

 

[Pablo1989]

What a beast Nadal. With a few less injuries would be the GOAT.

 

[nolefam_2024]

What a beast Nadal. With a few less injuries would be the GOAT.

Yes Nadal's start is best in last 30+ years. And if we keep going back then it would be difficult since players would play almost every week.

 

[Lleytonstation]

This really shines a light on Zverev not winning a slam.

 

[Neptune]

Nice effort.
I believe simply using ATP points for achievements and top5/top10 matches/wins for difficulty could provide a very good big picture.

10 cakewalk ATP250 worth only 2500 points, 2 tough slam finals count 0 title but fair 2600 points, and top5/top10 matches/wins will also reveal.

 

[SonnyT]

What a beast Nadal. With a few less injuries would be the GOAT.

How would Nadal have won more slams? He maxed out RG, so he would've won more of the other slams! We waited a combined 30 years for him to win 1 AO + WB, and Djokovic was banned from AO. And he won four US, and that was about right for him.

 

[nolefam_2024]

How would Nadal have won more slams? He maxed out RG, so he would've won more of the other slams! We waited a combined 30 years for him to win 1 AO + WB, and Djokovic was banned from AO. And he won four US, and that was about right for him.

He wouldn't even need slam record. He was pacing himself to be big title winner. by 24 he had CGS, Olympics, 6 of the 9 masters. 2/3 Queens club on grass.

No one else is that accomplished yet. Maybe Raz can but he won't be Olympics winner.
Fed made his first RG final at age 25 , just like Djokovic. Nadal had won all 4 slams by then.

 

[NoleFam]

Only Alcaraz is comparable to the big 3 here and he has 3 more years to reach 33-43 titles.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Only Alcaraz is comparable to the big 3 here and he has 3 more years to reach 33-43 titles.

Yes but seems unlikely
That would need to win 28 more titles in next 3 years. Even Raz is not that good (at least yet). Did even Nole ever won 28 in 3 years? Only Roger has done so where he won 34 in 3 years but a lot of them were 500s and 250s

 

[NoleFam]

Yes but seems unlikely
That would need to win 28 more titles in next 3 years. Even Raz is not that good (at least yet). Did even Nole ever won 28 in 3 years? Only Roger has done so where he won 34 in 3 years but a lot of them were 500s and 250s

He's at 15 titles now. Djokovic had 16 at the end of 2008, the age Alcaraz is now. So Alcaraz could potentially win a title this fall and tie that, so he's right on par with Djokovic but behind Nadal.

 

[nolefam_2024]

He's at 15 titles now. Djokovic had 16 at the end of 2008, the age Alcaraz is now. So Alcaraz could potentially win a title this fall and tie that, so he's right on par with Djokovic but behind Nadal.

Yes I mean no one is catching Nadal.

 

[Grafil Injection]

Just for reference, Steffi Graf (birthday mid year):

(at 17 years old 8) then 11, 11, 14, 10, 7, 8, 10

Total: 19, 30, 44, 54, 61, 69, 79

 

[nolefam_2024]

Just for reference, Steffi Graf (birthday mid year):

19, 30, 44, 54, 61, 69, 79

Yes but this is completely different territory. Women likely mature faster and those days they played smaller tournaments as well.

How many top 10 Steffi played in her 79 vs Djokovic's 34 ?

 

[NoleFam]

Yes I mean no one is catching Nadal.

Nadal was an exceptional young player but he's behind Borg and McEnroe in titles won up to 24 years old.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Zverev and Nadal ate

 

[Grafil Injection]

Yes but this is completely different territory. Women likely mature faster and those days they played smaller tournaments as well.

How many top 10 Steffi played in her 79 vs Djokovic's 34 ?

Yes, Women definitely mature faster. Victories over top 10 players in the same years (18-24) total 137. I should think every final was against a top 10 player.

28

18

22

18

11

17

23

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nadal was an exceptional young player but he's behind Borg and McEnroe in titles won up to 24 years old.

Yes and that's why I said if we go back 30+ years it's difficult.

McEnroe Borg had far different tour than last 30 years.

 

[GloW]

We can clearly see from graph who showed potential early on.

Only zverev sinner and raz showed potential to be top player.

Raz is better than all but Nadal
Sinner is better than Andy Murray
And Zverev is better than all below Murray by age 24


Then zverev has gone down a lot so anything can happen but let's see.

GOATEREV

 

[nolefam_2024]

GOATEREV

Not really

He is worse than big 3 Murray and very likely sineraz by age 24

And he was far worse than all of them in slams. Like not having a top 10 win in slams by first 11 matches.

It's just he started so early and in bo3 he was so formidable yes. But even then not goat.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Not really

He is worse than big 3 Murray and very likely sineraz by age 24

And he was far worse than all of them in slams. Like not having a top 10 win in slams by first 11 matches.

It's just he started so early and in bo3 he was so formidable yes. But even then not goat.

Yeah, Murray was more successful during big 3 era.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yeah, Murray was more successful during big 3 era.

Yes but watch out for jannik he is catching up like sonic

 

[Lleytonstation]

Yes but watch out for jannik he is catching up like sonic

I agree, Sinner is Sonic and Carlos the Shepherd is Tails.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner has reached 18 titles already at age where only Federer/Nadal/Djokovic reached 18 in last 24 years.

 

[junior74]

Wawrinka barely registered until 2014 where he won more than a title in a year. In next 2 years from 2014 to 2016, Wawrinka won more than half of his career title haul.
11 titles won in the 3 years.
Over almost rest of the 20 years, 5 titles won.

Stan won 10 consecutive finals

 

[nolefam_2024]

Stan won 10 consecutive finals

Yes but he was past the age where he could become a potential great. Zverev is younger today than Stan at AO14.

 

[Berrettini_Fan]

Where is Berrettini in the charts?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Where is Berrettini in the charts?

Missed.

 

[Berrettini_Fan]

Missed.

Incomplete chart then. Awful

 

[nolefam_2024]

Incomplete chart then. Awful

Matteo had just 3 titles till age 24. He is the worst of the worst.