Nick Kyrgios' brother was paid $40,000 to advertise for a gambling company

Does this raise questions or is it being blown out of proportion?


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Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Some might remember during the 2018 Australian Open, Nick Kyrgios brother wore these shirts which featured the name of a prominent Australian gambling company called Sportsbet.



The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has discovered that Christos was paid $40,000 to engage in promotional activities for the company. They asked Christos about the payment and he declined to answer, They also asked Nick and this was his answer.



A spokeswoman for Tennis Australia said the "matter was referred to the TIU at the time and we are unable to provide any further comment".

"The TIU does not disclose information about or make detailed comment on specific individual cases, unless they result in a conviction, which is then made public," a spokesman for the TIU said.

"Therefore, while we can confirm that the TIU is aware of the matter involving Christos Kyrgios at the Australian Open in 2018, we are unable to make any further comment on the subject."

The payment from Sportsbet to Christos Kyrgios does not relate to match-fixing, but raises broader questions around integrity rules, how tennis authorities enforce them and the relationship between tennis and betting companies.

The integrity rules established by the TIU, which regulates all professional players globally, prohibits players from encouraging people to wager on tennis competitions, including by making appearances for gambling operators or making personal appearances for them.

But the rules also extend to other "covered persons", which can include family members and other associates.

They state that no covered person "shall, directly or indirectly, solicit or facilitate any other person to wager on the outcome or any other aspect of any event or any other tennis competition".

Richard Ings, the former vice-president of the Association of Tennis Professionals, told 7.30 the definition of a covered person was extremely broad.

"It includes obviously the player, it includes members of the player's family, it includes members of the player's entourage: trainers and coaches and physiotherapists," Ings said.

"This particular matter is something which would fall under the jurisdiction of the Tennis Integrity Unit," he added.

Mark Phillips, a director of Global Sports Integrity, told 7.30 he believed "it was a clear breach of the tennis rules as they stand" and was surprised that there had been no action taken by the TIU.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-12/sportsbet-paid-nick-kyrgioss-brother-$40000/10803418
 

Tshooter

Legend
"The long-awaited Independent Review of Integrity in Tennis has concluded that the ITF failed to perform effective due diligence on the effects of selling scoring data from tens of thousands of matches at the lowest pro levels of the sport, unleashing an integrity crisis that one investigator described as a “tsunami.” The review calls for the cessation of selling data from these lower-tier events and the elimination of gambling sponsorships at all pro events. The report did not find an integrity problem at the higher levels of the sport, like the ATP, WTA and Grand Slams.

The ITF, which first entered into a data deal in '11 and then again in '15 with Sportradar, and other tennis bodies have previously pledged to abide by the recommendation."

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Global/Issues/2018/12/20/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/ITF.aspx

The ITF should first "abide by the recommendation" and stop facilitating gambling at the lower tier events and then it can turn it's attention to advertising of gambling sites by Covered Persons.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
I wish I could get paid $40,000 to wear a frigging Tshirt.

That's it. I called my little bro, I'm sure his ground game is better than Kyrgios' at this point all he needs to do now is serve over 5'9
 

OhYes

Legend
Dumb thing to care about. Tournaments are sponsored by betting companies why shouldn't he capitalize? It's all in the open.
Since when did gambling became ok in sports or in our culture so it can be advertised frèely ?
So wrong in so many levels.
 

Enga

Hall of Fame
Since when did gambling became ok in sports or in our culture so it can be advertised frèely ?
So wrong in so many levels.
Is there something wrong with it? I've never taken part in it myself but it gives some people a reason to be invested in the result. Especially with lesser known athletes. Integrity is something only the players need worry about IMO.
 

Tshooter

Legend
If gambling is legal, its legal to advertise it...
Actually that's not how it works on the ATP TOUR. All the players are bound by all the ATP rules and by extension so are all "Covered Persons" (which as that guy correctly said is broadly defined and I'm sure would cover his immediate family). I don't feel like looking up what, if anything, they can do with respect to enforcement against Covered Persons whether they can sanction the player somehow or must proceed against the person directly. I do seem to recall from looking at the issue some time ago in a different context that they can ban the person from tour events.
 

Chadalina

Hall of Fame
Actually that's not how it works on the ATP TOUR. All the players are bound by all the ATP rules and by extension so are all "Covered Persons" (which as that guy correctly said is broadly defined and I'm sure would cover his immediate family). I don't feel like looking up what, if anything, they can do with respect to enforcement against Covered Persons whether they can sanction the player somehow or must proceed against the person directly. I do seem to recall from looking at the issue some time ago in a different context that they can ban the person from tour events.
I feel no sympathy if players can make more money losing a match. Maybe time to look at the pay structure if gambling is possible. The atp wants it both ways.

Tennis players win and lose solo, its their choice as to what they choose.
 

Tshooter

Legend
I feel no sympathy if players can make more money losing a match. Maybe time to look at the pay structure if gambling is possible. The atp wants it both ways.

Tennis players win and lose solo, its their choice as to what they choose.
You may want to read the independent report if you have an interest in this issue. It's pretty interesting. There is without a doubt a large problem at the lowest level tournaments.

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-47121681

"Most of the players in this match-fixing ring have not been sanctioned. And the player who first corrupted Karim Hossam - the one investigators wanted him to testify against - is still playing professional tennis."
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
Since when did gambling became ok in sports or in our culture so it can be advertised frèely ?
So wrong in so many levels.
NBA and NFL are already embracing it. Also isnt there an ATP 500 named after a gambling company? (edit: its the ATP Bet at home in Germany, Nadal won it one year)

NBA signed a deal with MGM its too much money to leave on the table
 
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citybert

Hall of Fame
Actually that's not how it works on the ATP TOUR. All the players are bound by all the ATP rules and by extension so are all "Covered Persons" (which as that guy correctly said is broadly defined and I'm sure would cover his immediate family). I don't feel like looking up what, if anything, they can do with respect to enforcement against Covered Persons whether they can sanction the player somehow or must proceed against the person directly. I do seem to recall from looking at the issue some time ago in a different context that they can ban the person from tour events.
So should they ban the Nadal clan from wearing Iberostar hats?

Give the ATP a cut of the ad or pay them to advertise and they wont care. Thats how it is
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Some might remember during the 2018 Australian Open, Nick Kyrgios brother wore these shirts which featured the name of a prominent Australian gambling company called Sportsbet.



The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has discovered that Christos was paid $40,000 to engage in promotional activities for the company. They asked Christos about the payment and he declined to answer, They also asked Nick and this was his answer.





https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-12/sportsbet-paid-nick-kyrgioss-brother-$40000/10803418
Man, Nick got all the looks in that family.
 

FedGR

Semi-Pro
It's sad that you guys are making fun of Christos's looks. The guy has alopecia, he doesn't choose to rock this look.

+ Go to his fb page (or Nick's) and see the chicks he "hangs out" with! :D:D
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
It's sad that you guys are making fun of Christos's looks. The guy has alopecia, he doesn't choose to rock this look.

+ Go to his fb page (or Nick's) and see the chicks he "hangs out" with! :D:D
I didnt know he had some sort of ailment. Always thought he shaved his hair off intentionally for some reason.
 
It's sad that you guys are making fun of Christos's looks. The guy has alopecia, he doesn't choose to rock this look.

+ Go to his fb page (or Nick's) and see the chicks he "hangs out" with! :D:D
Went to the first Facebook mention of him I could find & found this gem from 2013-wonder if he still thinks Nick works his ass off?

Christos Kyrgios shared a photo to Nick Kyrgios's timeline.

12 February 2013 ·

Some people dream of success, while others wake up every day and work their ass off for it.

Cannot see any women on his FB page & am not scrolling through all that drivel to find them, but lots of women are fame-whores, they only hang around with people like Nick & his brother because he has lots of money & they are gold-diggers & vain so love seeing themselves on social media 'living the high life' you find these women & men are only friends while the fame & money is there though, they are hangers-on & leeches.
 

Tshooter

Legend
So should they ban the Nadal clan from wearing Iberostar hats?...
I would guess without looking into it that its too indirect to support a facilitating gambling charge given how the rules are applied. Why don’t you look into it and get back with the answer.

Also, a player should win a few Majors if the player wants the most flexible read on tennis rules. VAMOS !
 

FedGR

Semi-Pro
Went to the first Facebook mention of him I could find & found this gem from 2013-wonder if he still thinks Nick works his ass off?

Christos Kyrgios shared a photo to Nick Kyrgios's timeline.

12 February 2013 ·

Some people dream of success, while others wake up every day and work their ass off for it.

Cannot see any women on his FB page & am not scrolling through all that drivel to find them, but lots of women are fame-whores, they only hang around with people like Nick & his brother because he has lots of money & they are gold-diggers & vain so love seeing themselves on social media 'living the high life' you find these women & men are only friends while the fame & money is there though, they are hangers-on & leeches.
LoL yeah. The guy is his personal trainer or so and posts (or used to) these motivational quotes all the time. Apparently they didn't have an effect on his brother! :)

As far as the rest regaring the leeches, I agree with you 100%.

Who cares? You can bet all these ho’s are just hoping Nick crashes the party so they can do him.
Christos still gets a good part of the pie! :D:D
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
Dumb thing to care about. Tournaments are sponsored by betting companies why shouldn't he capitalize? It's all in the open.

The stink is if his brother is part of his coaching team in any way he cannot gamble on matches at all, so being sponsored by a betting companycould be seen as a similar violation. I don't know if he is or is not part of Nick's team, but the concern is valid when you have a player with questionable integrity to start and there is a shizz ton of maney that could be made in fixing a match for his family.

Very real issue.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Not really since the law says you have to be 21...
No it doesn't. It's an arbitrary thing in which primarily the USA is the sole Western democracy/developed nation which is prudish enough to have a 21 year old purchase age.

Many countries have NO age of drinking, just an age of purchase.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Dumb thing to care about. Tournaments are sponsored by betting companies why shouldn't he capitalize? It's all in the open.
The tournaments aren't involved in the outcome of matches though. The players are.

There is a reason why horse owners are allowed to bet on horse races but jockeys are not.
 

Chadalina

Hall of Fame
No it doesn't. It's an arbitrary thing in which primarily the USA is the sole Western democracy/developed nation which is prudish enough to have a 21 year old purchase age.

Many countries have NO age of drinking, just an age of purchase.
You said "buy alcohol".

Off topic, dont you need to be 18 to gamble? I never do it, not sure
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
Never count another person’s money. If he can make money in any way shape or form that isnt harming someone let him. Most people would take the cash grab. Yes some are highly scrupulous and will not do it and I think thats great but if they do take it I wouldnt judge them.
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
Nick' brother isn't a player
exactly and if a player wants to bet on him or herself I advocate that. Especially with the crap prize money - they should just make it transparent. What better way to create drama to know your opponent bet extra cash that he would beat you
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
The anti corruption rules cover family and entourage. If you play tennis in sanctioned events, you agree with abide by the rules. If you don't like that you don't play or you lobby to get the rules changed.
If it's against the rules it's against the rules. I'm not going to pretend it's really that much of a big deal.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
You said "buy alcohol".

Off topic, dont you need to be 18 to gamble? I never do it, not sure
The age of purchase varies widely, AS I SAID.

Only someone from a two horse town would be so ignorant of the rest of the world to think that 21 is somehow even close to a "standard" age for purchase globally.
 

Chadalina

Hall of Fame
The age of purchase varies widely, AS I SAID.

Only someone from a two horse town would be so ignorant of the rest of the world to think that 21 is somehow even close to a "standard" age for purchase globally.
Ya, but there is still an age requirement...

Whatever, im done explaining how your analogy was inaccurate.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Ya, but there is still an age requirement...

Whatever, im done explaining how your analogy was inaccurate.
From a person who said "If gambling is legal, its legal to advertise it." without considering the silly logic.

Medicines are legal everywhere but, in most countries, it's illegal to advertise them.

Sex service are legal in many countries, but it's illegal to advertising them in many.

How many other examples do you need to grasp the "if it's legal, it's legal to advertise" thinking is bunk?
 

Chadalina

Hall of Fame
From a person who said "If gambling is legal, its legal to advertise it." without considering the silly logic.

Medicines are legal everywhere but, in most countries, it's illegal to advertise them.

Sex service are legal in many countries, but it's illegal to advertising them in many.

How many other examples do you need to grasp the "if it's legal, it's legal to advertise" thinking is bunk?
I dont need any more, you and your tone arent worth a response. Welcome to the club :)
 

Tshooter

Legend
exactly and if a player wants to bet on him or herself I advocate that. Especially with the crap prize money - they should just make it transparent. What better way to create drama to know your opponent bet extra cash that he would beat you
(y)

Perhaps only exceeded by the entertainment value that the opponent may have bet "extra cash"+++ that he would lose to you which seems like a much better bet being substantially within the players control the only uncontrollable factor (apart from hopefully the Chair and the lines people are betting as well so you don't know what will go on there) being the other player may have bet against himself too which would make for a very interesting match.


+++Possible defense to gambling/match fixing charges. It was only "extra cash" ! :cool:
 

Tshooter

Legend
The stink is if his brother is part of his coaching team in any way he cannot gamble on matches at all, so being sponsored by a betting companycould be seen as a similar violation. I don't know if he is or is not part of Nick's team, but the concern is valid when you have a player with questionable integrity to start and there is a shizz ton of maney that could be made in fixing a match for his family.

Very real issue.
It doesn't matter if he's part of the team or not. Only that he's part of the family and was credentialed by or on behalf of Nick. The ITF rules (A.O. is an ITF governed event. I assume the ATP and WTA have similar rules but @citybert is looking into it.): (any emphasis I added)

“Covered Person” refers to any Player, Related Person, or Tournament Support Personnel.

“Related Person” refers to any coach, trainer, therapist, physician, management representative, agent, family member, tournament guest, business associate or other affiliate or associate of any Player, or any other person who receives accreditation at an Event at the request of the Player or any other Related Person.

"A person shall continue to be a Related Person for the purposes of this Program until two years after the last Event at which the Related Person receives accreditation unless the Related Person notifies the appropriate Governing Body in writing that they are no longer receiving accreditation in which case they will cease to be a Related Person on the date of that notice."

"Article X: Tennis Anti-Corruption Program

Section D. 1. b.

“No Covered Person shall, directly or indirectly, solicit, facilitate, or conspire to solicit or facilitate any other person to wager on the outcome or any other aspect of any Event or any other tennis competition. For the avoidance of doubt, to solicit or facilitate to wager shall include, but not be limited to: display of live tennis betting odds on a Covered Person’s website; writing articles for a tennis betting publication or website; conducting personal appearances for, or otherwise participating in any event run by, a tennis betting company or any other company or entity directly affiliated with a tennis betting company; promoting a tennis betting company to the general public through posts on social media; and appearing in commercial advertisements that encourage others to bet on tennis.”
 
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