Nick Kyrgios : Now we have seen it all !

Pre980

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But I find it weird to be a frontfighter for a group of people you don't belong to. Imagine a feminist meeting with a bunch of females screaming "females on top, females on top!". And you're there as the only or one of few males shouting with them. I couldn't imagine me doing so, although I have nothing against equal rights (although I find them semi-utopical in a strict sense).
I see you're point of view; I think we're approaching from two different perspectives. For me: although I can't empathize, I can sympathize. From a different angle, it wouldn't be (in fact wasn't) weird for white people to support the equal rights movement in twentieth century U.S.; even adamantly support it.
As for the emboldened text--I'm not touching That! Lol
 
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Sirius Black

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Most real life feminists are much different than internet feminists. I've yet to meet someone in real life who has called himself or herself a feminist and proceeded to go on a man-hating rampage.

The internet allows people to say stupid, horrible things without consequence. Case in point: this message board
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
I see you're point of view; I think we're approaching from two different perspectives. For me: although I can't empathize, I can sympathize. From a different angle, it wouldn't be (in fact wasn't) weird for white people to support the equal rights movement in twentieth century U.S.; even adamantly support it.
As for the emboldened text--I'm not touching That! Lol

That's ok. The PC crew has been rather hungry of late, no need to become their victim. I will sacrifice myself to satisfy their hunger. :)
 

Pre980

Rookie
Most real life feminists are much different than internet pseudo feminists. I've yet to meet someone in real life who has called himself or herself a feminist and proceeded to go on a man-hating rampage.

The internet allows people to say stupid, horrible things without consequence. Case in point: this message board

^^^this
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
I think no man should call himself a feminist. I'm yet to encounter a female calling herself a malist. It doesn't make sense.

Agree with the bolded part though.

you don't need to be female to support equal rights between genders, you don't need to be gay to support LGBT rights, etc. etc.

murray identifies as a feminist and i'm pretty sure he's not XX and so do many other men

there's tons of issues plaguing men in today society but they don't get any light because women steal the show and anytime those issues are brought up they don't get taken seriously (men are the butt of most jokes whereas women get the unicorn special fairy treatment and their issues get first priority)
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Most real life feminists are much different than internet feminists. I've yet to meet someone in real life who has called himself or herself a feminist and proceeded to go on a man-hating rampage.

The internet allows people to say stupid, horrible things without consequence. Case in point: this message board

first wave feminism is the common sense one and the one that all the rational feminists (male and female) align with

third wave feminism is the one responsible for statements like "men should be exterminated because they're obsolete, women should rule the world, etc."
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Let us not get this thread deleted.

Let us discuss the merits of the article if Serena could truly beat Nick under some circumstances
 

The_18th_Slam

Hall of Fame
But I find it weird to be a frontfighter for a group of people you don't belong to. Imagine a feminist meeting with a bunch of females screaming "females on top, females on top!". And you're there as the only or one of few males shouting with them. I couldn't imagine me doing so, although I have nothing against equal rights (although I find them semi-utopical in a strict sense).
You seem to have a very poor understanding of feminism, much like pseudo-feminists. I'm guessing you've been around too many pseudo-feminists and not enough genuine feminists.

When you're a genuine feminist, you're not a frontrunner for women or for men. You're a frontrunner for equality of sexes. That's not a group. That's an ideology. Anybody who screams, "females on top!" is not a feminist. They're a pseudo-feminist, an idiot, or both.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Stakhovsky : Serena would win a max of 1 game and that too because Nick is a gentleman !!!

Here is his tweet :

My house ( if that would be legal) would go on @NickKyrgios with no more that 13 games in a match..afterall I guess he would be a gentleman)
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Other players comment on the article that says Serena would beat Nick

KYrgios :

If this is the case, Djokovic, Fed & Nadal would struggle against her? Since they all have had a tough match against me? ‍♂️‍♂️‍♂️

Chris Evert :
I don't know about that....

Robbie Koenig : sarcasm LOL
 

aman92

Legend
Why this sudden obsession with comparing Male and Female tennis players? Yeah we know men are genetically stronger.... why the **** do you want them to compete against each other?
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Most real life feminists are much different than internet feminists. I've yet to meet someone in real life who has called himself or herself a feminist and proceeded to go on a man-hating rampage.

The internet allows people to say stupid, horrible things without consequence. Case in point: this message board
I have. Crazy young progressive girls who were exchange students from the US when I was in Marseille. A few of my former classmates who went to study in the US have become crazies as well after a few semesters.
 

The_18th_Slam

Hall of Fame
I have. Crazy young progressive girls who were exchange students from the US when I was in Marseille. A few of my former classmates who went to study in the US have become crazies as well after a few semesters.
I see some of them crazy ones now and then too. And the funny thing is that many of them are more harmful to women than to men. They shame stay-at-home wives and you're apparently an embarrassment to women if you make your husband a sandwich because you're "conforming to subjugating stereotypes" :D
 

70後

Hall of Fame
Serena has been one of McEnroe's favourite topics for years. Serena is always a quick go to kind of topic for elderly ex pros like McEnroe, Nastase to promote themselves in the media.

Kyrgios is at least already greater than McEnroe and his sort though. For one thing, he doesn't need to keep using Serena to sell himself and his book, if he should write one. He has plenty of self made topics already.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
I see some of them crazy ones now and then too. And the funny thing is that many of them are more harmful to women than to men. They shame stay-at-home wives and you're apparently an embarrassment to women if you make your husband a sandwich because you're "conforming to subjugating stereotypes" :D
On the mark. One of them shamed my ex-gf cause she posted pics where she made dinner for us. I mean wtf? The thing that blows my mind is that they'll defend truly patriarchal societies (looking at the middle east) in the same breath.
 

Pre980

Rookie
Why this sudden obsession with comparing Male and Female tennis players? Yeah we know men are genetically stronger.... why the **** do you want them to compete against each other?
No doubt, some of this thinking is residual nonsense from the backlash aimed at the GQ tweet a while back that mentioned Federer as the GOAT. Some keyboard warriors rose up on Twitter to assert that Serena was the GOAT; not Fed. Their ammunition in that fight was "Serena has more slams than Fed." Affirming McEnroe's recent comments (after he was asked why he needed to qualify Serena's tennis legacy with gender): if professional tennis had a gender neutral tour, the very best female player would fall in around 700 (generous) or lower, and, without lucrative endorsement deals marketed to other females, would struggle to earn a living on that tour.
 

The_18th_Slam

Hall of Fame
On the mark. One of them shamed my ex-gf cause she posted pics where she made dinner for us. I mean wtf? The thing that blows my mind is that they'll defend truly patriarchal societies (looking at the middle east) in the same breath.
How dare you criticize patriarchy in the middle east!
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Sirius Black

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On the mark. One of them shamed my ex-gf cause she posted pics where she made dinner for us. I mean wtf? The thing that blows my mind is that they'll defend truly patriarchal societies (looking at the middle east) in the same breath.

How dare you share a meal. The horror!

At least if they say nonsense to you in person you can counter and make them look foolish. If they want to argue, they'll have to listen to what you're saying. On the internet, they can hide in their echo chambers and block/ignore any comments that are "triggering."

I mean, I'm sure I've met some in real life who were just too afraid to actually say any of the idiotic bs that they spew on the internet.
 
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Deleted member 512391

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Better question is would Serena win a single game against Nick. I don't think she would, there is a massive gap between men's and women's tennis when it comes to athleticism, plus men's shots are much heavier, I'm not sure how would a female player (including Serena) deal with the enormous spin imparted onto the balls they're receiving.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
How dare you share a meal. The horror!

At least if they say nonsense to you in person you can counter and make them look foolish. If they want to argue, they'll have to listen to what you're saying. On the internet, they can hide in their echo chambers and block/ignore any comments that are "triggering."

I mean, I'm sure I've met some in real life who were just too afraid to actually say any of the idiotic bs that they spew on the internet.

then you haven't met true third wave feminists

the types that will shout you down or worse

they're out there (mostly at US campuses)
 

Pre980

Rookie
so is fed the GOAT or serena?

or is it like comparing apples and oranges and they shouldn't be compared?
Well...
On a gender neutral tennis tour, who would still have their grand slam count and who would still be looking for their first ATP 250 title?
Probably apples and oranges though since there is no gender neutral tour, Serena can't join the ATP, and Fed can't join the WTA.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Well...
On a gender neutral tennis tour, who would still have their grand slam count and who would still be looking for their first ATP 250 title?
Probably apples and oranges though since there is no gender neutral tour, Serena can't join the ATP, and Fed can't join the WTA.

just say it

males > females in every single way in sport and the female tour is a distraction and a joke
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Sam Harris is one of the greatest minds of the 21st century.
In some areas perhaps, but his work on morality is pretty weak to say the least. He's shown himself to be a great debater on many occasions, though he doesn't seem to me quite as much a thinker who is open to new ideas and can incorporate them. I listen to his podcast regularly though. I do think that his rebuttal of religious fundamentalism is great, though I personally find he goes too far with it.
he's better than jordan peterson who everyone seems to be fanboying nowadays
Meh, depends on the area. Peterson blows Harris out of the water in his areas of expertise, which includes morality and Christianity.
 

The_18th_Slam

Hall of Fame
In some areas perhaps, but his work on morality is pretty weak to say the least.
He isn't perfect, and I disagree with him on morality being objective, but there is nobody I agree with more than I do with him. I also think he's the best atheistic debater, though many seem to prefer Hitchens.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Remember this? It's the Hit for Haiti from 2010


Just skip to about 8:00. Nadal throws up a lob and Serena still says "too much spin" so that should give an idea of just how much spin a guy can impart on the ball (in Nadal's case even more so obviously). And this is a fundraising exhibition.

Btw there is a point in that video at about 3:40 where Clijsters wins a CC rally against Federer. Fed FH to Clijsters BH too. :D
 

WisconsinPlayer

Professional
So let me get this straight. Kyrgios can beat Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, and Rafael Nadal, but he can't beat the mighty Serena Williams? Are there new drugs on the streets that I haven't heard of?
You ever hear of people "Smelling fresh tennis balls" Now you know what theyre really talking about
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
He isn't perfect, and I disagree with him on morality being objective, but there is nobody I agree with more than I do with him. I also think he's the best atheistic debater, though many seem to prefer Hitchens.
Hitchens had an amazing way with words and inspired me in that regard years ago. Just the way he could play with the language, on the fly even, was quite spectacular. Sam has a considerably more accessible /reader-friendly way of writing for sure though, Hitchens liked to go a bit over the top with his vocabulary on the regular haha. In terms of a debater… Hitchens is better. The emotional element in a debate is not to be underestimated, and Sam is more calm and soothing (not that that's bad or anything, it's just less effective in a debate) almost to the point that he sounds anaemic, rather than scathing in his responses. Emotional/moral appeals are crucial in a debate format.

A discussion is a different matter though, I find Sam is better than Hitchens in that regard.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
I'd genuinely be interested to see her play a guy like Dan Cox ranked 657 and who doesn't have major weapons but is very mobile as you'd expect for a smaller player, 5'7"
My suspicion is even this type of male player would still be too much for her but I could be wrong.
 
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Sirius Black

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He's also gross.

Source: Ben Affleck.

Sometimes I wonder how people in this day and age would have defended the Nazis: no no no, we can't criticize them! That will only make them worse! And it's our fault that they're so angry! And are the Jews really blameless? They've been the oppressors of the german people for ages. Those greedy bastards, somehow managing to thrive while everyone else suffers.

It's frightening. Just because you are criticizing something does not make you a bigot.

But it's okay to poke fun at Mormons and Scientologists.
 

Pre980

Rookie
I'd genuinely be interested to see her play a guy like Dan Cox ranked 657 and who doesn't have major weapons but is very mobile as you'd expect for a smaller player, 5'7"
My suspicion is even this type of male player would still be too much for her but I could be wrong.
He'd win. Funny you mentioned a guy ranked in the 600s. Similarities to what Karsten Braasch said after he obliterated the Williams sisters (he was ranked 203 at the time) 6-1, 6-2. Keep in mind that he played them after a round of golf and a couple of beers, lol.
 
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VexlanderPrime

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This is getting ridiculous now. I mean I have the utmost respect for Serena (and thankfully even she knows she wouldn't beat Kyrgios), but you have to wonder what this Tony Jones guy is smoking. He clearly doesn't have a clue to call his own. And he knows nothing about Kyrgios if he thinks he's brittle mentally. In certain matches where he doesn't give a flying F maybe, but if Nick and Serena played a serious match and Nick was faced with the proposition of losing to a woman and being laughed at (because he would be let's be honest) I'm pretty sure he'd take it serious.

She wouldn't even get a racquet on most of his serves for one. And that's not a dig at Serena. Many ATP pros don't get a racquet on a fair number of Nick's serves.

yar, wish everyone could just move on. If Serena cares about the comparisons she could do a PPV with Fed or Rafa and probably bank 10 million.
 
Sometimes I wonder how people in this day and age would have defended the Nazis: no no no, we can't criticize them! That will only make them worse! And it's our fault that they're so angry! And are the Jews really blameless? They've been the oppressors of the german people for ages. Those greedy bastards, somehow managing to thrive while everyone else suffers.

It's frightening. Just because you are criticizing something does not make you a bigot.

But it's okay to poke fun at Mormons and Scientologists.
"We must examine ourselves to see why terrorists hate us so much."
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
There is. It's called feminism.
This has nothing to do with feminism. Tony Jones is a **** stirrer (male) who's just having a go at Kyrgios (male). This has barely anything to do with Serena. It's just some random trolling Kyrgios.

Pull your head out with your anti feminism nonsense. Its getting pathetic.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Sometimes I wonder how people in this day and age would have defended the Nazis: no no no, we can't criticize them! That will only make them worse! And it's our fault that they're so angry! And are the Jews really blameless? They've been the oppressors of the german people for ages. Those greedy bastards, somehow managing to thrive while everyone else suffers.

It's frightening. Just because you are criticizing something does not make you a bigot.

But it's okay to poke fun at Mormons and Scientologists.
Wow...
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
This has nothing to do with feminism. Tony Jones is a **** stirrer (male) who's just having a go at Kyrgios (male). This has barely anything to do with Serena. It's just some random trolling Kyrgios.

Pull your head out with your anti feminism nonsense. Its getting pathetic.

Grow up and get a sense of humour.
 
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