Nick Kyrgios seeks dismissal of assault case on mental health grounds

Giant Squid

New User
If convicted it's 2 years inside, if not on medical health grounds.
The bar to achieve a medical grounds ruling is high, apparently.

I'm not sure if you are free to play tennis (would the case really just be dismissed?) as if nothing happened if it's a medical grounds ruling.
No doubt easier than sitting inside though.

If his case is dismissed, the ATP needs to conduct their investigation and punishment. Zverev has no criminal charges because there is NO authenticated credible evidence. If Zverev is being investigated, the ATP has no choice with Nick.
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
What is strange is that the lawyers are citing his own statements as proof. A mental health issue has to be certified by a doctor and is still not enough to avoid punishment. Is the law in Australia this bad?

No, his lawyer is just really bad. The prosecutors will tear his defence apart in 10 mins
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
Wow. Good for the ex girlfriend to report this! His excuse caused commotion. I wonder if ATP does anything! He postpones it as long as he can but I wonder how it affects. So many scathing articles and comments. Him being "good" was just for show I assume because he knew he'd face the music.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
At least it’s evident he battered the poor woman. No one can defend him on that anymore.

I am sure the judge will demand proof of mental sickness too. Should be interesting to watch;)
 

Zara

G.O.A.T.
Jeffrey Dahmer was deemed psychologically fit to stand trial, and he tried to create living zombies, then ate people. I don’t think a tennis player with a bad attitude is going to be treated favourably when it comes to mental capacity.

In no world was Dahmer psychologically fit. All the SK were mentally utterly deranged. It's almost like asking why one is transgender when one simply is.
 
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Zara

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If he is not punished, do you think he might do it again to other partners in the future? Does he lose control in the same way over and over when playing tennis? Do you think he might be like that off the court? What should society do about It to protect the vulnerable?

He'll of course do it again. He won't be able to help it if and when triggered. He probably inherited from his family and most probably didn't have a proper childhood. The outlook of life is usually warped when being brought up in difficult environments. You won't see a very happy, well rounded family giving birth to a psychopath though the possibility can still exist.
 

MurraysMetalHip

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In no world was Dahmer psychologically fit. All the SK were mentally utterly deranged. It's almost like saying why one is transgender when one simply is.
I’m merely pointing out that you can do some horrific stuff, and psychologists can still view you as fit to stand trial. He was obviously a lunatic, but when it comes to proving insanity in criminal cases, there’s a very high bar that needs to be hit.
 

Zara

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I’m merely pointing out that you can do some horrific stuff, and psychologists can still view you as fit to stand trial. He was obviously a lunatic, but when it comes to proving insanity in criminal cases, there’s a very high bar that needs to be hit.

If you by any miracle got into the mind of, say, Dahmer - you would see how deranged his mind is. He was a psychopath and psychopaths are fully capable of mimicking emotion that can potentially make them look 'normal' or 'psychologically fit' but they are not. The challenge here is that, you won't be able to separate the two because it's so acute - almost impossible to prove leaving you with no other choice but to allow them to stand in trial. Bundy was even his own lawyer at some point if you read his case. In what world was Bundy normal and yet, he was able to run his own case because he could mimic everything so well.
 
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MurraysMetalHip

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If you by any miracle got into the mind of, say, Dahmer - you would see how deranged his mind is. He was a psychopath and psychopaths are fully capable of mimicking emotion that can potentially make them look 'normal' or 'psychologically fit' but they are not. The challenge here is that, you won't be able to separate the two because it's so acute - almost impossible to prove leaving you with no other choice but to allow them to stand in trial. Bundy was even his own lawyer at some point if you read his case. In what world was Bundy normal and yet, he was able to run his own case because he could mimic everything so well.
I totally agree with you. The point I am trying to make though, is that if someone is mad, it is incredibly difficult to convince a judge that the defendant acted in the way they did due to mental illness. If Kyrgios is trying to get off these charges by blaming mental illness, then he’s going to have a very tough time proving it, as historically, it has been very difficult to prove. I’d say it’s easier for a mad person to convince others they are sane (as you rightly pointed out) than it is for a sane person to convince others that they are indeed mad.
 

Zara

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I totally agree with you. The point I am trying to make though, is that if someone is mad, it is incredibly difficult to convince a judge that the defendant acted in the way they did due to mental illness. If Kyrgios is trying to get off these charges by blaming mental illness, then he’s going to have a very tough time proving it, as historically, it has been very difficult to prove. I’d say it’s easier for a mad person to convince others they are sane (as you rightly pointed out) than it is for a sane person to convince others that they are indeed mad.

That's a different matter. A disease is a disease. You'd of course put Dahmar and Bundy behind bars because they are a danger to society. And if anyone is abusive to their partners then they shouldn't be any different, and shouldn't get off easy. But we also can't ignore the fact that, they also need proper treatments and we probably should be a bit more thoughtful in our approach. These are very complex cases after all.
 
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artdeco

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He'll of course do it again. He won't be able to help it if and when triggered. He probably inherited from his family and most probably didn't have a proper childhood. The outlook of life is usually warped when being brought up in difficult environments. You won't see a very happy, well rounded family giving birth to a psychopath though the possibility can still exist.
No evidence for this. Psychopathy is genetic, so it's perfectly possible for nice parents to produce a psycho, much like two parents with brown eyes can have a child with blue eyes. What you yourself are/have is not necessarily what you're carrying, genetically.
 

Zara

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No evidence for this. Psychopathy is genetic, so it's perfectly possible for nice parents to produce a psycho, much like two parents with brown eyes can have a child with blue eyes. What you yourself are/have is not necessarily what you're carrying, genetically.

It is both as environment plays a big part too; however, in my observation, they give birth to SK like Gacy, and not Dahmer or Bundy who were most likely born this way.
 

MurraysMetalHip

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No evidence for this. Psychopathy is genetic, so it's perfectly possible for nice parents to produce a psycho, much like two parents with brown eyes can have a child with blue eyes. What you yourself are/have is not necessarily what you're carrying, genetically.
It’s not solely genetic. Family life when growing up plays a key role in determining your view of right and wrong in later life. If you are brought up in an environment where you see a parent or sibling being abused in a daily basis, you will start to view it as normal behaviour, and it is easy to repeat that behaviour yourself in later life as you’ve never known differently. Of course, you can come from a perfect family too, and be born with a few shorted out circuits, but I would say most psychopaths are made, rather than born.
 

Zara

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No evidence for this. Psychopathy is genetic, so it's perfectly possible for nice parents to produce a psycho, much like two parents with brown eyes can have a child with blue eyes. What you yourself are/have is not necessarily what you're carrying, genetically.

Also, if genetic, it still has to run in the family - not in the immediate family, but somewhere in the same generation. A black couple isn't going to give birth to kids with blue eyes, for example.
 
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Zara

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It’s not solely genetic. Family life when growing up plays a key role in determining your view of right and wrong in later life. If you are brought up in an environment where you see a parent or sibling being abused in a daily basis, you will start to view it as normal behaviour, and it is easy to repeat that behaviour yourself in later life as you’ve never known differently. Of course, you can come from a perfect family too, and be born with a few shorted out circuits, but I would say most psychopaths are made, rather than born.

If you read Bundy's case, you'd see what his grandfather was like or what he was all about. Bundy claimed his childhood to be normal but he believed growing up that his mother was actually his sister and his grandfather was his father. I am not going to get into details here but no one in their right mind could possibly say that it was a 'normal' environment for a child to grow up.
 

artdeco

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It’s not solely genetic. Family life when growing up plays a key role in determining your view of right and wrong in later life. If you are brought up in an environment where you see a parent or sibling being abused in a daily basis, you will start to view it as normal behaviour, and it is easy to repeat that behaviour yourself in later life as you’ve never known differently. Of course, you can come from a perfect family too, and be born with a few shorted out circuits, but I would say most psychopaths are made, rather than born.
No, born not made. Most serial killers don't come from environments of daily abuse. Lots of people do come from abuse and don't become killers.
 

Zara

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No, born not made. Most serial killers don't come from environments of daily abuse. Lots of people do come from abuse and don't become killers.

Some do become killers while most others become abusers of some sort. If you read some of Dr. Bruce Lipton’s materials then you’d know about the deep impact of the environments on humans. Those that are born killers are a rare bunch. You could call this a genetic glitch but its’s not random.
 

Lauren_Girl'

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being depressed gets you off the hook for physically assaulting a woman?

Is there any proof that he physically assaulted her? I haven't followed this story but from what I've heard, those were just allegations. His words against hers. Could be a bitter ex who didn't accept the breakup and seeks revenge against him. Wouldn't be the first time it happens.
If there is no evidence and he denies it, I prefer to stay neutral for these kind of issues. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. Now if there is clear evidence, taht's another story...
 

ey039524

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The only difference between sociopathy and psychopathy is the origin. Sociopathy is environmental.

And yes, he assaulted her; otherwise, he wouldn't be claiming a mental illness as a defense.
 
I think for me it really comes down to like if he just hit her once and it was not really a great punch because that is fundamentally different than beating. That was the sense I'd always gotten about this because I thought the incident happened publicly in like a bar or something.
 

Baseline_Bungle

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Until someone tells me what he is actually accused of, it's impossible to cogently comment on this. Did he beat up a woman? Jail him and ban him from tennis for life. Did he hold her arm while she was going batshit? Throw it out and fck the woke garbage.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Remember how this guy tried to pretend to be great by offering to buy meals for people affected by Covid?

Always be skeptical when someone makes it well known how charitable he is.
I seem to remember someone who started a thread about helping out an accident victim. I would never be skeptical of that poaster's greatness.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I seem to remember someone who started a thread about helping out an accident victim. I would never be skeptical of that poaster's greatness.
Are ewe referring to the Magnanimous Mammary Man of Mira Mesa, so full of the milk of human kindness that Knix has a underwire-free manbra named for him???
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
Wait does this mean he *did* hit her, and is trying to get away with it based on mental health?

Or is he trying to *not get sued at all* based on mental health? Are mentally ill people exempt from prosecution altogether?
“I didn’t hit her but if I did it was totally not my fault”
 
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Deleted member 791948

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Nick should just count himself lucky that he's even alive. People like him don't last long, offending people constantly, only ends one way (n)
 

tennisbuck

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Disagree with the posts saying this is necessarily an admission of guilt…as defense, especially early in the case, think it makes sense to raise every claim/defense that you have, then as the evidence comes out you’ve reserved those defenses just in case, even if only the stronger ones will end up with the jury
 

bigbadboaz

Semi-Pro
It definitely plays like an admission of guilt. If you can prove you didn't do it, full stop, there's zero need to bring in any "excuse" type defense.
 

GhostOfNKDM

Hall of Fame
Remember how this guy tried to pretend to be great by offering to buy meals for people affected by Covid?

Always be skeptical when someone makes it well known how charitable he is.

Is this you? :unsure:

Yeah I run a Badminton Whatsapp group and it is full of tribal women. Many of them told me that it was the only sport they could play easily in their childhood by just stringing some rope and hitting across it. Cricket, table tennis and tennis requires more money and infrastructure. Over the years, they have become very decent badminton players.


At the tournaments I have volunteered at, ball kids are treated very well. They are given uniforms, food and water and participate in fun activities.

I will be there volunteering for the WTA.

The ATP 250 held earlier this month at the same venue has already been evaluated by the ATP and it has been ranked #2 in the US behind Indian Wells. If you recall, I was a volunteer for that one too.

Just a five minute search brought up all these, ahem, 'humble brags'.
 

big ted

Legend
It definitely plays like an admission of guilt. If you can prove you didn't do it, full stop, there's zero need to bring in any "excuse" type defense.

i dont know how anyone can prove they didnt "grab somebody's arm" unless they werent even there
 
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Deleted member 791948

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Way more Australians dislike Krygios than like, so its likely that the judge won't let him off the hook (y) so he can get a nice 2 year sentence behind bars (y) and hopefully they extend it permanently when they see how evil he is :cool:
 
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