MatsPhilander
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When she was playing did her work ethic include carrying an extra 30 kilos ??? What a moron of a person she is.
Maybe she is pissed that she weighs more than Kyrgios and Monfils combined.
When she was playing did her work ethic include carrying an extra 30 kilos ??? What a moron of a person she is.
Maybe she is pissed that she weighs more than Kyrgios and Monfils combined.
Nice post.She isn't completely wrong, even if I think he choice of words is really poor. Bartoli, while not playing entertaining tennis to my eyes hardly can be faulted for her work ethic. Well I'd mildly disagree with Monfils as I don't think he was talented enough to win a slam bar an excellent draw. As for Kyrgios, unless he get similarly lucky with his draws, he's going nowhere with that return game and that's been known for years (nice article by Tennis Abstract).
At least she's consistent with herself: when interviewed a few days ago about the future of French tennis, she said that she visited the French National Training Centre and couldn't believe what she was seeing. The kids weren't putting in anywhere near the work ethic required to play on the pro tour. When the coaches start raising their voice to get the kids working, the parents came in to say that they're not allowed to talk to their children like that. The coaches get reprimanded and nothing gets done. Basically and according to her, the most talented kids France has to offer, all gathered in one of the best training centre the country has to offer don't put in enough work to become pros. They don't want to practice, they don't want to listen, and she doesn't know why that is. The CNE (National Training Centre) is basically a summer camp. Talented kids with huge egos, lack of work ethic that are comforted in their behaviour by a toxic entourage who defend them against anything and would rather criticize coaches than their kids' behaviour. It's not much unlike what Henri Leconte said about French youngsters either.
Even earlier during Roland-Garros after Caroline Garcia's loss, Marion also said about her, albeit way more politely that she'll struggle going further in slams if she didn't make additions to her team with people who have experience with going deep and winning slams, who know how to deal with such emotions and the mental side of the game. It's something I've long agreed with, especially when I listen to her father coaching her during matches and talking about nothing but technical points. Never anything about mentality or tactics, only technique. Well Caroline has mostly good technique on every stroke, so I don't think that's what she needs... Bartoli can relate to that because she also mostly was raised as a tennis player by her father, away from the French Tennis Federation; however, she did say she requested Mauresmo's help quite a lot and discussed a lot with her the fortnight she won Wimbledon.
Personally I'd be even harsher and say I'm legitimately impressed that Garcia managed to get inside the top 10 for that long of a time given her mental toughness and tactical ability. What she's done during the end of the previous season to play the Tour Finals was to show consistent mental toughness I never knew she could display, especially with the niggling injuries she's had at the end of the season; even if I still found her tactics to be somewhat lacking.
If either start taking advice from the mental train wreck that is Bartoli, they’ve got problems
Johansson also also has a major, butCareer Slams:
Bartoli: 1
Kyrgios & Monfils: 0
When they get a draw like Ravioli had in a Major then we can use this example...Career Slams:
Bartoli: 1
Kyrgios & Monfils: 0
Wow that was one nasty post
Eeww and ewww to all of you that liked it
Honestly, I don't like watching Nick his game just doesn't interest me. I actually find it annoying at times the lack of shape on the ball just like Tomic . Maybe the half heartedly effort too idk. I would watch Johansson over himJohansson also also has a major, but
anyone that prefers watching him to Gael or Nick must have had a lobotomy.
so what? - Kyrgios is 10 times more talented
Depends on what point in her life you are looking at. Too heavy, skin and bones - I'll let other people decide what her problem was. I'm not picking on her, but she'd be wiser to pick her words more carefully. A glass house is still a glass house.She is the total opposite of anorexic.
Agree, and she is well educated and smart. She should be able to articulate her thoughts better than this.Depends on what point in her life you are looking at. Too heavy, skin and bones - I'll let other people decide what her problem was. I'm not picking on her, but she'd be wiser to pick her words more carefully. A glass house is still a glass house.
Regardless of the speaker, she just spoke the truth. Dudes a waste of talent. Coulda been something.
Opinions from people with mental problems/anorexia doesnt matter?Second this with a resounding yeeeeeeww.
Depends on what point in her life you are looking at. Too heavy, skin and bones - I'll let other people decide what her problem was. I'm not picking on her, but she'd be wiser to pick her words more carefully. A glass house is still a glass house.
You have a nice day too.What are you talking about with this "glass house" BS? Bartoli won Wimbledon and she's always been a hard worker thus she knows of what she speaks here. She said Kyrgios and Monfils aren't hard workers and are wasting their natural talent. What's the big ***** deal? She's right.
You have a nice day too.
Opinions from people with mental problems/anorexia doesnt matter?
We are never going to agree.Ha ha. I was just wondering, what is all of this "glass house" stuff from you? Bartoli said something about Kyrgios and Monfils and she was right on. She won Wimbledon and always worked hard so if she can't comment about it, who can?
What are you talking about with this "glass house" BS? Bartoli won Wimbledon and she's always been a hard worker thus she knows of what she speaks here. She said Kyrgios and Monfils aren't hard workers and are wasting their natural talent. What's the big ***** deal? She's right.
Ha ha. I was just wondering, what is all of this "glass house" stuff from you? Bartoli said something about Kyrgios and Monfils and she was right on. She won Wimbledon and always worked hard so if she can't comment about it, who can?
no she was totally wrong - just desperate about getting attention after she made a fuss about her future come back « in the top 10 » just to abort it
Is "hog" a more acceptable term?So much class on this forum...
It's a little strange to say but she won that Wimby randomly and immediately retired.Career Slams:
Bartoli: 1
Kyrgios & Monfils: 0
Bartoli is an anorexic-boulimic attention seeker drama queen
It's a little strange to say but she won that Wimby randomly and immediately retired.
She has no right to say that about Kyrgios.
It’s his business how he approaches the game.
Comments about him being childish are none of her business.
Could you imagine the reaction if Nick said the following - “Marion was annoying to watch and had a very ugly game and service action”.
If Nick were to attack her about her weight, would it be the same as her calling him out about him being childish ?? They are both about behaviour.
As usual the Kyrgiot delivered on his awesome potential right on cue. Bartoli only speaks the truth. If people like to watch Kyrgios for his entrancing "entertainment value" then fair enough but that puts him in the realm of a Santoro sideshow not the tennis legend that he seems to believe he is. I do love the old, "you don't know what we've been through" card tying himself to Monfils though. He ain't no tough kid from the hood but went to a very fancy private school in the dullest, most middle class city in the world - Canberra. Bartoli said he had no work ethic and implied that he wasn't a serious sportsman. Pretty hard to argue with that given his pathetic capitulation against Nishikori. Real talk homey.Well he sure showed her. Letting his tennis do the talking
Glass house: if your life is so exemplary in all ways that there is nothing to criticize, people are more likely to listen to advice.Ha ha. I was just wondering, what is all of this "glass house" stuff from you? Bartoli said something about Kyrgios and Monfils and she was right on. She won Wimbledon and always worked hard so if she can't comment about it, who can?
Glass house: if your life is so exemplary in all ways that there is nothing to criticize, people are more likely to listen to advice.
If your "hard work" leads to neurotic behavior, maybe it's time to question your values and goals.
There is more to life than winning. Monfils to me has always seemed like a very happy, well-adjusted man, so maybe with more hard work and discipline he might have had a slam or two - or not.
And Nick, in another 30 or 40 years, may be a very happy man with a great life, even if he does not win big, or he may end up with bad results in all areas, not just tennis.
But I would not presume to give advice to either Monfils or Nick about how to lead their lives. There are many ways this lady could have made relevant comments without it getting disparaging.
And I don't think I'm alone in saying this.
Now, should she get credit for working very hard and winning a slam?
Yes.
But does winning a slam make it wise to make the kind of comments she made?
No.
Johansson also also has a major, but
anyone that prefers watching him to Gael or Nick must have had a lobotomy.
That is really good.Bartoli is an anorexic-boulimic attention seeker drama queen
just like your words carry lot of seniority (that comes with silver white hair )Bartoli's words carry a lot of weight
I am so glad Nick is out of Wimbledon. He is a black spot in tennis.
Spot on. His third set was a disgrace. Tons of ultra-low percentage miracle shot attempts (some of which came off) but overall as clear a raising of the white flag as you could get short of Tomic's backwards racquet. Bartoli had all sorts of problems as some above have been kind enough to speculate on but I would suggest that her intensity, focus and tenacity eclipses Kyrgios' by a country mile.Nick has all the skills but he shakes his head when he hits a bad shot and then he bails in high pressure situations.
Glass house: if your life is so exemplary in all ways that there is nothing to criticize, people are more likely to listen to advice.
If your "hard work" leads to neurotic behavior, maybe it's time to question your values and goals.
There is more to life than winning. Monfils to me has always seemed like a very happy, well-adjusted man, so maybe with more hard work and discipline he might have had a slam or two - or not.
And Nick, in another 30 or 40 years, may be a very happy man with a great life, even if he does not win big, or he may end up with bad results in all areas, not just tennis.
But I would not presume to give advice to either Monfils or Nick about how to lead their lives. There are many ways this lady could have made relevant comments without it getting disparaging.
And I don't think I'm alone in saying this.
Now, should she get credit for working very hard and winning a slam?
Yes.
But does winning a slam make it wise to make the kind of comments she made?
No.
Truth hurts. 'Childish' was actually a nice way to say that Monfils clowned his career away and now Kyrgios is doing the same. I'm with Bartoli in this fight 100%. Nick needs to grow up for his own sake.