Should we go for a week this summer?How should i do it? Should i set up a lesson for five days in a row or do his summer camp? What do you suggest?
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Should we go for a week this summer?How should i do it? Should i set up a lesson for five days in a row or do his summer camp? What do you suggest?
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
You're a momo. He commented about Solomon and Dementiava so how am I chaging the subject? :roll:
Why don't you keep telling us all how all the 5.0's you've seen are no more than 3.5 players???
...that when you pay Diego or Solomon to coach your kid, they actually are the one coaching your kid. When you pay Macci, Saviano, or Nick B to coach your kid, someone else does it.
Go learn something.
dannythomas
Professional
You are doing the right thing. After your daughter's week there she will want to come back for more ! I am new to this Board and I can't work out if there is a way to communicate by e- mail or private message but I would be pleased to give any suggestions if you need them.
dannythomas
Professional
Untrue in Macci's case as I have said at least 8 times now.
contact me by phone 478-456-1528 THANKS.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Unless you are paying Macci for INDIVIDUAL LESSONS, he DOES NOT STAY ON THE COURT WITH EVERY KID THAT GOES TO HIS ACADEMY. Period. Someone else is coaching them, and I've not only seen it with my own eyes, have friends who have worked for him.
This includes the Evert Academy, Bolleteris, etc, etc, etc.
Solomon and Diego not only work with kids individually, but also with all the kids in their academy. THEY DO THE COACHING.
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I talked to Rick and he said she can go to the week long camp and he would spend an hour a day with her individually each day. I know it is going to be alot extra for the privates but i knew that before i got in touch with him. I spent a summer at N.B.T.A when i was younger and only got to hit with Nick one time and it was extra.I still loved N.B.T.A it was the best summer ever!
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I have noticed a pattern from the guys who have tons of posts on these boards like drakulie....they never, ever, ever admit they are wrong about any single topic. They just change the gist of the debate to try to win their point no matter what.
All the rest of us every now and then say "ooops, you were right about that" or "I stand corrected". But not our hall of fame 1000000 post posters.
This thread has become a joke. Now Macci is not a better coach because he does not stand there anymore with every student....unless they pay him his individual lesson rate.
Umm..duh....the guy has a track record 1000 miles long so yeah, he can NOW afford to do that. But how about those years he worked one on one feeding thousands of balls to Roddick and Capriati and the Williams sisters and Spadea and Pierce?
Yes, now he has guys trained in his system handle many lessons and checks in on them. And yes, he charges a lot of money for individual sessions.
But trying to imply that makes some guy with a much lesser track record a better coach because that guy does not have the reputation to charge more is beyond ridiculous.
All the rest of us every now and then say "ooops, you were right about that" or "I stand corrected". But not our hall of fame 1000000 post posters.
This thread has become a joke. Now Macci is not a better coach because he does not stand there anymore with every student....unless they pay him his individual lesson rate.
Umm..duh....the guy has a track record 1000 miles long so yeah, he can NOW afford to do that. But how about those years he worked one on one feeding thousands of balls to Roddick and Capriati and the Williams sisters and Spadea and Pierce?
Yes, now he has guys trained in his system handle many lessons and checks in on them. And yes, he charges a lot of money for individual sessions.
But trying to imply that makes some guy with a much lesser track record a better coach because that guy does not have the reputation to charge more is beyond ridiculous.
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TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Go for it gatennis. Macci is incredible with the kids. And when you get back get some of his videos and continue the progress. You may spend a good amount for the trip and sessions, but you can keep it going for very little money through his videos. His videos make it easy for you or any coach to do the drills yourself.
Rick is expensive.....because he has produced results. It is that simple.
T.C.F My daughter has a great coach but i want someone like Macci to take a look at her because of his track record with young girls.I want the best for my baby she has TONS of talent and someone like Macci can see things that others cant because he has seen so many little girls at her age.
dannythomas
Professional
Ok will call you tonight or tomorrow day time.
It's great that your daughter is doing a lesson every day with Rick
dannythomas
Professional
I know - it's a joke. For the record Rick Macci is on court from 7 am to 6 pm 5 days a week and 7am to 1 pm Saturdays and Sundays. That is pretty much 365 days a year including Holidays. He is not there watching others do the coaching, he is doing 1 on 1 teaching and he has no problem filling those hours despite the cost. As you say he has coached some of the top players in the world so criticising the way he works is foolish.
I feel a bit responsible for moving this thread from the excellent Saviano Academy to a debate about Macci. Both are top class, Saviano for older kids and Macci especially for younger kids. Anyone who has been to both places and cannot see this is in my opinion seeing only what they want to see and not reality.
chalkflewup
Hall of Fame
Bring you're mortgage with you...you'll need it. I'm not anti Macci at all either, just preparing you for reality when you start running with the big dogs.
Pro_Tour_630
Legend
I noticed you said the same this to me, yet when I conceed that i may be wrong or no one is right nor wrong on a subject, you do not answer
It seems you have a problem with people who merly have a difference of opinion than yours
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=325368
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TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I noticed you said the same this to me, yet when I conceed that i may be wrong or no one is right nor wrong on a subject, you do not answer
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=325368
Pro Tour....it is not a difference of opinion to say that an obscure coach in Hollywood, FL. is a better coach than Macci, Saviano, and Nick B.
Just because I grew up a Sixers fan, my 'opinion' can not be that they are a better team than the Lakers, that is not supported by facts. My opinion can only be that they are my favorite team.
Every profession has standards, results and track record. Someones nephew may be a nice basketball coach in Minnesota and they think he is the greatest....just don't tell me he is a better coach than John Wooden was!
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Actually chalk, it isn't that bad. You can do a week for $500. Lots of deals on air fare, hotels are also offering some nice deals these days. So maybe it costs you a $1200-$1500 for the week. Then you spend another $200 and grab all his videos to reinforce what the kid learns that week.
So for about $1500, you get the strokes fixed, grips fixed, and lots of information to take back home with you. You get the kid on the right track.
Heck, most parents spend $1500 on 30-40 hours with some local college kid pro and end up with bad technique.
I agree the full time stuff would be very expensive. But a $1500 investment in learning from the best and getting the kid on the right track that will last their entire tennis career seems like a decent investment.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Macci, Saviano, and Bolleteri don not spend 8 hours a day on the court, coaching each kid in their academy throughout the day. You are either lying, or just have no clue. They don't do it.
So, now you are contending that Macci doesn't leave the coaching to his assistants??? that he does all the group stuff, and not his assistants??
Do you have any idea what you are talking about???
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
How the hell can you someone do a great job coaching someone, if they ain't the ones doing the coaching? :roll:
dannythomas
Professional
I will end up with a big bump on my head through hitting it against what is clearly a brick wall. He is available to do all the 1 : 1 teaching to all who want it. He coaches 1 : 1 all day long the whole week every week. Agreed his expertise does not come cheap but in the absence of any funding from USTA to parents of those that cannot afford it that is the way of things . Lansdorp, Gilbert, Bolliterri, Evert, Saviano and yes I suspect even Solomon ( you said you have no idea how much he charges which I find surprising ) are not cheap either.
I agree he does not do the 1:10 or 1: 20 group teaching that you say Solomon does but that is not what most of the parents send their 6-12 year old there for, they send them there for 1 : 1 coaching with Rick Macci and nearly all of them do that with their eyes open. You also said that there are hardly any 6-10 year olds at Solomon so why should anyone with kids of that age send them there in preference to an Academy where that specializes in teaching young kids ?
Bear in mind that there are a lot of kids who go to Rick Macci for 2 or 3 weeks a year only and then take back what they have learnt from working 1 : 1 with one of the best coaches in the world.
Because Harold Solomon is apparently so busy doing group coaching he will obviously have very little time for those who want 1 hour private lessons and surprising as that might seem to you that is what most parents of young kids want. Old fashioned it may be but that is the case.
As for Diego to be honest most parents outside of Florida don't even know who he is. He may be a fantastic coach but how many top players have worked with him ?
I have by the way a lot of first hand experience of 1 of my kids working with Rick Macci so for you to say I don't know what I am talking about is I need to tell you far from the truth. I can put you in touch with many other parents who will verify what I say but then you have made up your mind already so what is the point ?
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Which is what I have been saying since the beginning.
Now, I'll say it again.
Solomon/Diego, do 1:1 with EVERY student. They also do all the group teaching, with ALL the students.
Neither macci, saviano, nor Bolleteri do this. Therefore, IMO one gets more "bang for the buck" with Solomon/Diego, cause not only do you get the 1:1, but also the group.
YOU GET IT???????
or are you going to come back with Macci coaches all his students????
If you feel, for whatever reason, it is better to pay the same price for 1:1 with macci, rather than pay less for 1:1 and group with Solomon/Diego, that is a different case, but don't come in here talking doo-doo and distroting facts.
and for the record, and second time I will say that macci is an excellent coach. I have never said other wise.
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dannythomas
Professional
So Harold Solomon coaches ALL his students 1 on 1. ? Does that include the kids on his After School Program or is it just the ones on his Career Development Program ? And what about extra kids who sign up for Holiday programs ? Do they get it too ?
And what about Andy Brandi and Greg Downs , two of Solomon's assistants ? Are you saying none of the teaching is left to them ?
Do the math. Say 6 hours per day Solomon Academy Time. Half drills half 1 :1.That is 3 hours 1 on 1 time for say 20 students. That is 9 minutes per day 1 :1 teaching for each student with Harold . Not much is it ?
I am sure Harold runs an excellent Academy. But I will keep my kid at the Macci Academy where she can get one hour individual lessons with one of the best coaches in the world.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Like I said earlier in this thread, you have a SERIOUS problem with comprehension.
dannythomas
Professional
Never mind , if it makes you feel better my friend. I won't be replying to any more of your ridiculous posts in this thread - I have said all I have to say.
Ignore these people! Please dont stop posting on this site.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
He doesn't need to ignore anyone, nor does he need to stop posting. He will be better off if he learns to comprehend what he is reading.
dannythomas
Professional
Thanks GA Tennis , I only meant on this particular topic. Nice talking to you the other day , look forward to meeting you guys when you come down next month.
It was nice talking to you as well. Thank you so much for calling me and sharing with me some very useful information.I am looking forward to coming down next month and working with Rick and getting to meet you guys.I know it is going to be very expensive so my wife and i decided to make the trip our yearly vacation.
tennismonsterr
New User
Saviano Tennis
Just in case someone is looking for more info on this more than a year later. I've never heard anything negative about Macci all great, many I know that have tried it don't stay because they can't afford him and they don't think his other pros are great. I do have one friend whose daughter ended up being #5 in D1 her senior year and she was there when Serena & Venus were there, and trained there for quite some time and improved there, but ended up leaving and going to Bollettieri's and staying there.
We are at Saviano's now and he is not out on the court every minute but he is out there an awful lot, he can't get to everyone everyday because some days it seems like he has 30 or 40 kids. But he seems to get around to everyone often enough, except the little kids not quite as much. He doesn't like to take them before 10, but he does take some. I think there are days where he might not say anything to a kid, but he watches everyone and makes sure the pros see what they should be seeing with each kid and makes sure they know how to handle what they need. One thing I am impressed with is how he trains his pros. Right now my daughter seems to be improving everyday. I know he had quite a few kids in the Orange Bowl this year. And I know next year one of his girls is playing at Princeton and the other at Vanderbilt. It seems like every year he places some girls at some top tennis universities.
The other thing I would say about Nick S. is he is incredibly in tune with where the kids heads are and the whole mental part.
Thing is we were somewhere else where the pro was on the court with all the kids 24/7. He only had from 8 to 16 kids every day. But he just wasn't quite as good, or efficient. So 12 hours with him was as good as 5 minutes with Nick. My daughter took a 30 minute lesson with one of Saviano's pros and got an unbelievable amount out of it, more than she got with the head guy at the other place. Having the head guy out there working with every kid does not mean that program is better.
I have had quite a few people tell me that Solomon's has some really outstanding kids.
In Florida almost every academy has some that are playing professionally.
Also, much of the time one coach gives you what he can, what he or she is good at and then can't help you much more. Then it's time to go to someone else-- they may pick up on different things and/or they may say the same thing you've heard a hundred times from the other guy, but they say it differently and for some reason something about the way this new coach says it-- all of a sudden it makes sense.
And results do mean something.
Just in case someone is looking for more info on this more than a year later. I've never heard anything negative about Macci all great, many I know that have tried it don't stay because they can't afford him and they don't think his other pros are great. I do have one friend whose daughter ended up being #5 in D1 her senior year and she was there when Serena & Venus were there, and trained there for quite some time and improved there, but ended up leaving and going to Bollettieri's and staying there.
We are at Saviano's now and he is not out on the court every minute but he is out there an awful lot, he can't get to everyone everyday because some days it seems like he has 30 or 40 kids. But he seems to get around to everyone often enough, except the little kids not quite as much. He doesn't like to take them before 10, but he does take some. I think there are days where he might not say anything to a kid, but he watches everyone and makes sure the pros see what they should be seeing with each kid and makes sure they know how to handle what they need. One thing I am impressed with is how he trains his pros. Right now my daughter seems to be improving everyday. I know he had quite a few kids in the Orange Bowl this year. And I know next year one of his girls is playing at Princeton and the other at Vanderbilt. It seems like every year he places some girls at some top tennis universities.
The other thing I would say about Nick S. is he is incredibly in tune with where the kids heads are and the whole mental part.
Thing is we were somewhere else where the pro was on the court with all the kids 24/7. He only had from 8 to 16 kids every day. But he just wasn't quite as good, or efficient. So 12 hours with him was as good as 5 minutes with Nick. My daughter took a 30 minute lesson with one of Saviano's pros and got an unbelievable amount out of it, more than she got with the head guy at the other place. Having the head guy out there working with every kid does not mean that program is better.
I have had quite a few people tell me that Solomon's has some really outstanding kids.
In Florida almost every academy has some that are playing professionally.
Also, much of the time one coach gives you what he can, what he or she is good at and then can't help you much more. Then it's time to go to someone else-- they may pick up on different things and/or they may say the same thing you've heard a hundred times from the other guy, but they say it differently and for some reason something about the way this new coach says it-- all of a sudden it makes sense.
And results do mean something.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I enjoy picking Nick's brain when I get the chance. By the way, if you have not read it, his book Maximum Tennis is a nice read. Very inexpensive on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Tennis-Unleashing-Court-Potential/dp/0736042008
I've been to Solomon, and my daughter's friend trains there after school every day and she doesn't get 1:1 with Solomon every day (when he is there).
Not picking a side but Ive got first hand knowledge of this.
Her training is very good (went from horrible strokes to very solid junior strokes). Now she was so bad that most coaches would have improved her game.
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drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
I would agree that Solomon is NOW not doing what he once use to do, and what I posted about. But remember, when I posted this, it was over a year ago. Since he has begun training Peer, he is more often than not AWOL and his academy has suffered as a result.
As for you saying you have first hand knowledge of this, I will remind you and the other readers that I actually live at the club where the Solomon academy is stationed, and I also provide stringing service for many of the juniors and many of the pros that pass thru the academy, so I think that I have a little more "first hand knowledge" of what goes on at that academy.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
It's my favorite book on tennis. Very thoughtful, easy to read, and well organized. Best, BHBH
My 12 yo daughter also trained at Solomon last summer for about 6 weeks and I can tell you that the instruction there was top notch. All the coaches there (Mary Giinard, Bill Foreman,tom downs, chris cloer and Solomon) were superb and totally dedicated to all the kids tennis development. There was no need for any private lessons because there was already a lot of 1 on 1 with the each of the coaches. Solomon would spend 1hr , 3 days a week working individually with my daughter and he did that with most of the other kids there also. The only way he was able to do this was that he only had about 12-15 kids to deal with. Also, during fitness my daughter would do fitness with Shahar Peer many times and also Christina Mchale, which was great fun for my daughter. I hear things are changing some and Solomon has backed off some since he is spending a lot of time coaching S. Peer
Seminoleg is your daughters friend that now plays at Solomon owners of lago mar in Ft lauderdale?
I have a question for TennisCoachFLA or Seminoleg or others members that may have some insight into academies in the S. Florida area. I am currently in the process of looking for an academy for my daughter to train at during the entire Summer of 2012. My daughter just turned 12 and plays competitively in the Southern region and Nationally. We live in North Carolina and we tend to spend most of the Summer down in South Florida visiting our families (or at least my wife and daughters do). Last Summer, she spent 6 weeks training at the Solomon Academy in Ft Lauderdale. Although, we felt that the level of instruction and overall experience was superb, it was just to expensive to do it again all next summer plus there was just to few players of her age/level to provide regular match play opportunities and so it was a lot of one on one with instructor, which was absolutely great but she missed not having other kids her age to interact and compete with which made the overall experience less enjoyable and fun for her. And so we are looking for another academy for this coming summer. I am considering 3 at the moment and they are Saviano, Bill clark and extreme tennis academy, I am not interested in Macci. We were very spoiled after experiencing Solomon because the instruction was so personlized but I am looking for something similiar and not just some large, cooky cutting academy with a big name. I want good caring and attentive instructor that can bring out the best in my daughter. Any comments on the above academies or other suggestions. We plan to go down to S. Fla for 1 week in March during spring break to visit and try out 1 or 2 a places before we commit to anything this summer. Your help would be highly appriciated. Thanks
Seminoleg is your daughters friend that now plays at Solomon owners of lago mar in Ft lauderdale?
I have a question for TennisCoachFLA or Seminoleg or others members that may have some insight into academies in the S. Florida area. I am currently in the process of looking for an academy for my daughter to train at during the entire Summer of 2012. My daughter just turned 12 and plays competitively in the Southern region and Nationally. We live in North Carolina and we tend to spend most of the Summer down in South Florida visiting our families (or at least my wife and daughters do). Last Summer, she spent 6 weeks training at the Solomon Academy in Ft Lauderdale. Although, we felt that the level of instruction and overall experience was superb, it was just to expensive to do it again all next summer plus there was just to few players of her age/level to provide regular match play opportunities and so it was a lot of one on one with instructor, which was absolutely great but she missed not having other kids her age to interact and compete with which made the overall experience less enjoyable and fun for her. And so we are looking for another academy for this coming summer. I am considering 3 at the moment and they are Saviano, Bill clark and extreme tennis academy, I am not interested in Macci. We were very spoiled after experiencing Solomon because the instruction was so personlized but I am looking for something similiar and not just some large, cooky cutting academy with a big name. I want good caring and attentive instructor that can bring out the best in my daughter. Any comments on the above academies or other suggestions. We plan to go down to S. Fla for 1 week in March during spring break to visit and try out 1 or 2 a places before we commit to anything this summer. Your help would be highly appriciated. Thanks
I think so. Solomon's REALLY improved her game.
I hesitate to provide input since my kid has never attended either academy. I can say that I have talked to each of them either at their center or tournaments and they all seem to genuinely care how their students do. Training on Clay is always good and for some better. Having kids her age/ability is also very important.
All of them will give you the rundown of number of kids her age they had training last summer and that also helps. I can put you incontact with someone who trained at Bill Clarks for a good while and they can provide you feedback.
As for spring break you may get a camp with only home schooled kids if Florida is not on break. Could be misleading in how the Full Time Days in the summer would be.
I do suggest you add:
Bill Adams Tennis
Kozlov Academy
They both have a good ratio, produce good performers and in the Broward county area.
Either way I feel pretty certain you'll get good value for your investment of time/money
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chalkflewup
Hall of Fame
I would also recommend Dean Goldfine. Solid guy. Played on the tour. Coached on the tour. He has a pretty good group of kids.
I agree that it will be somewhat misleading visiting the academies during our spring break, but I just want a chance to see the facility, observe some of the interactions between the coaches and players and talk to the coaches.
I have not really heard anything about Bill Adams. I tried to look up some information about his program and I can't even find a website for his academy. Is his academy still open?
The only thing I have heard about Kozlov is that he is very hard core, runs things in a militant type fashion.
Can you tell me anything more about why these 2 academies would be a good option for us vs others in the area. Also, can you perhaps suggest any academies down in the dade county that may be worth looking into. Thanks
Bill Adams has a Facebook Page with contact information. yea he's open and his kids doing well. Most play ITF's and USTA events. He doesn't need the WEB to get his students.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bill-...tional-Tennis-Academy/128195080528440?sk=info
Kozlov can be considered militant several kids that trained with some of the folks you listed train with him now, several of kids he trained train with them now. He's produced good kids. Bottom line he ain't gonna waste your time. He doesn't even take kids that are recreational players.
As for Miami. My daughter played a few events @ REINER HEINSER's academy. Very Professional Events and from the conversations I've had with him I would suggest you consider him. He gave me some of the best advice I still remember to this day.
http://heinsertennis.webs.com/
I'm not reccomending any of these over the others, as what may work for you may not for me and so on.
I will say this, I have been steered to many other academies and I always ask one question:
- Who have they produced? Junior Development is so very different and a guy that produces a good 15 year old may not have that same ability with a 12 year old.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
You could also try the Luis Brest Academy at the Sunrise Tennis Club in Welleby. It is west of university off of Oakland. He has a good group of coaches and more or less the age group you are looking for.
http://www.sunrisetennisacademy.com/staff/
Good Luck.
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Nick Saviano Academy
Hello Tennismonsterr, my 12 yo old daughter plays competively in the southern region and nationally. We are looking for an academy for my her to train this coming Summer. Last Summer we spent it at Solomon's (see my post further along in the thread) but we need to make a change. We have plans in early march, during her spring break, to go to S. FL and visit a couple of academies to see if it would be a good fit. We have 2 days set to play at Saviano's. I see that your daughter is currently attending his academy. Would you mind if I called you so that I get some more information firsthand from someone like yourself that is currently active in the academy. You can email me your # at gastoneye@aol.com and I could call you sometime this weekend. Thanks, I would highly appriciate talking to you.
First time user on Talk tennis. I am not sure if this post was going directly to you or posted with the other post so I was brief with my message. Thanks
Hello Tennismonsterr, my 12 yo old daughter plays competively in the southern region and nationally. We are looking for an academy for my her to train this coming Summer. Last Summer we spent it at Solomon's (see my post further along in the thread) but we need to make a change. We have plans in early march, during her spring break, to go to S. FL and visit a couple of academies to see if it would be a good fit. We have 2 days set to play at Saviano's. I see that your daughter is currently attending his academy. Would you mind if I called you so that I get some more information firsthand from someone like yourself that is currently active in the academy. You can email me your # at gastoneye@aol.com and I could call you sometime this weekend. Thanks, I would highly appriciate talking to you.
First time user on Talk tennis. I am not sure if this post was going directly to you or posted with the other post so I was brief with my message. Thanks
