Which other pros have this service action?
What are the pros and cons of it?
Agassi did something similar when he was injured.
Active players off the top of my head:
Federico Delbonis
Caroline Garcia
Sara Errani
Not much cons at the rec level. Those guys are serving bombs minus Errani
I know of a few people who would kill to have Delbonis/Jarry’s serve.
If its so good why don't more pros serve like this?
Holding your arm and racquet high in static even for several instances, imho, differs the way your muscles work, tightens them if even just a bit. For flowing motions, even when there's a slowdown, there's still no pause. You can see this in any variation - abbreviated, classic, staggred, Wawrinka-like (he raises racquet higher and then lets it lower with the elbow getting in place for swing start). Same for groundies - high takeback, let it go down, swing when ball is here.If its so good why don't more pros serve like this?
he used to serve in a more traditional fashion. wonder if he'll tweak it once more
great player with huge potential
yeah, it works wellHis current motion looks really powerful and fluent though.
Until a certain level. I don't think this motion would prove quite as fast as a normal motion at the speeds of players like roddick.It's an abbreviated service motion. reasons you would use it are injury to the shoulder or to simplify timing. I sometimes hit a few serves in practice starting with the racket up like the video as it reinforces that the loop through the drop and up to contact should be a smooth continuous motion with no pauses. A lot of instruction videos will advise to use this motion as a step in learning the full motion.
Sara Eranni, Jay Berger, Tod Martin, and a few other pros have used this motion. You can serve just as fast and just as well with this motion.
Whats this motion called?
Which other pros have this service action?
What are the pros and cons of it?
One name is the half-serve drill:
But, as an excercise, it has many names.
As for pros and cons.
Accuracy is more important than power, as Federer continously shows us, so if a good serve = power + accuracy and this "shortened motion" creates a "higher total value"...
I like the comparison with the olympic lifts where most people are capable of higher weights from the power-position then the floor.
fwiw.
Agassi did something similar when he was injured.
The 3 primary serve rhythms:
https://www.tennisplayer.net/public/site_tour/the_three_service_rhythms/index.html
Henin had an abbreviated motion. Nadal's serves in the video above are rather abbreviated. The vid indicates that Federer's serve was a classic rhythm but I'd put it somewhere between classic and staggered (a mild stagger, if you will). Murray is closer to a true classic rhythm.
Sharapova used an abbreviated motion for a while after coming back from shoulder surgery. Roddick may have used a simple abbreviated serve rhythm at one time. But I would consider his serving style to be an abbreviated-staggered hybrid of some sort.
Todd Martin adopted an abbreviated style at the end of his pro career (or perhaps, after his ATP career). Jeff Salzenstein also adopted a serve that is more abbreviated than Roddick.
So what is Jarry's service rhythm? Extreme abbreviated?
Looks like a clean, simple abbreviated service rhythm to me. Much cleaner than the Jay Berger serve. Jarry’s implementation is not that different from Henin, Agassi (1993), Jeff Salzenstein (recent) or Todd Martin. If you still have access to Flash Player, you should be able to closely study Todd’s implementation of the abbreviated serve here:
www.hi-techtennis.com/serve/martin_serve.php
Yes it’s visually appealing and can really see him slam the ball hard downwards after the trophy pose. But I don’t like how Jarry’s tossing arm goes up, down then up. I know it gives him rhythm but that bit looks a bit ugly from the viewer’s perspective.
I don’t quite understand the bolded part but I’d like to. Can you explain?
Not following you here. it's visually appealing yet it's ugly! Huh???
For the last UP of the tossing arm, are you referring to the way his left arm goes back late in his follow-thru motion (after the arm tuck into his gut)? I believe both Murray and Roddick do the same thing with the left arm late in the follow-thru.
It's an abbreviated service motion. reasons you would use it are injury to the shoulder or to simplify timing. I sometimes hit a few serves in practice starting with the racket up like the video as it reinforces that the loop through the drop and up to contact should be a smooth continuous motion with no pauses. A lot of instruction videos will advise to use this motion as a step in learning the full motion.
Sara Eranni, Jay Berger, Tod Martin, and a few other pros have used this motion. You can serve just as fast and just as well with this motion.
I just don't like how the tossing arm goes up initially then down then fully up. 'Normal' servers raise the tossing arm in one go only.
What I am referencing, in general, is the knowledge that proper technique from the ground up yields the highest performance but quite a lot of people do better from the power-position which I compare to the trophy-pose in tennis.
Since I am not a weightlifter I will link to someone who knows his way around a weightlifting platform:
https://www.catalystathletics.com/article/2058/How-to-Fix-Powering-More-Than-You-Squat/
With a bit of creative thinking/tinkering all the "fixes" he talks about in the article can be mapped to comparative problems/solutions relevant to the tennis-serve.
Imho, in tennis, it's mostly a matter of the quality of the "full reps". That is; a player does something like the half-serve-drill to correct something and as soon as they go back to their full motion, they go back to their old motion.
Since quality beats quantity, discipline and patience needs to be embraced at these moments of learning.
fwiw.
edited for clarity. might have failed. ask if somethings not clear.
Thanks for the explanation! What I still don’t get....
Sports-nomenclature makes everything confusing. Yes I meant the hang variation, which some call the power position, in order to compare it to the "half-serve-drill" from "trophy-pose" which some call the "power position".
So; with a solid enough technical base and good coaching (preferably from a young age) the full motion is higher performing while for the athlete/player without this luxury, or alternative way of accquiring the same skill, going from the power-position might well be higher performing.
imho, fwiw, etc.
Okay, I understand now [emoji1]. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you for taking the time to explain to me! Appreciate it.
Until a certain level. I don't think this motion would prove quite as fast as a normal motion at the speeds of players like roddick.
That's kind of flawed logic, isn't it? Not everyone can hit 140mph like roddick, but everyone can hit 130 with a shorter acceleration period like Tod Martin? What makes you believe that everyone can do that?many pros will never hit serves like Roddick no matter what they do. Tod Martin served 120-130 with abbreviated motion so you can serve big with this motion if you use it well.
Yes, watching s'Hertogenbosh, he has a normal action now, acing Tsitsipas down the T several times.Anyone else notice Jarry changed his motion? Watching him on Tennis TV now in geneva. Crazy! His has a normal serve motion now.
abbreviated-can be easier to time for some
Whats this motion called?
Which other pros have this service action?
What are the pros and cons of it?