Nike Faking?

CANTGETENOUGHTENNIS!

CANTGETENOUGHTENNIS!

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Hi all,

just from having lots of nike shoes, i know all of the technologies and different materials used and i was wondering if nike is b.s.ing us on some of the materials that they "use". For instance on the zoom 2k10, zoom 2k11,and zoom vapor 6, in the heel has anyone ever dissected the shoe once it's worn out to see if there's actually any zoom plates? Same idea for the zooms and the courtballistec 1.3 and 2.3 with lunarlite. i mean none of it is physically showing in any of those shoes. i know that in the nike hyperdunk 2011's there are zoom plates showing on the bottom of the shoe, and on the nike courtballistec 3.3 there is some lunarlon showing at the toe and on the lunarglide running shoes there is lunarlon showing on the bottom and if you squeeze the very top of the midsole, its lunar foam but im wondering if nike is duping us to save some money on some of their shoes.

Peace,
CCGET out
 
For the zoom air, you can take out the insole, and try to feel the outline of the zoom air bag. For the most part you can. Like on the zoom tennis trainer, you can feel the met head zoom bag in the forefoot.
 
honestly, why do u care?

its not like they charge you for the materials they put in the shoe. Even if the material isnt there the price has remained constant for their top tier shoes. If you like the shoe all the better.
Anyway I know for sure that there are zoom plates in the vapor 6 because i wore it out and the shoe tore and i saw them
 
Zoom air is an air bag, not a plate. I assume when you say zoom plate on the hyperdunk 2k11, you are referring to the clear plastic window that shows the zoom air bag. That clear window is there to protect the zoom air bag, but yet keeping it visible. You prob won't see that on tennis shoes possibly for durability reasons and just cost. That tiny window can add cost.
 
CANTGETENOUGHTENNIS! said:
Hi all,
in the heel has anyone ever dissected the shoe once it's worn out to see if there's actually any zoom plates
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had a pair of air jordan's 7 with zoom and there was a thin zoom airbag when the sole broke, I even took it out to see it

nadalex said:
honestly, why do u care?
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of course we care!

that flywire tech for exemple is the biggest con in the history of tennis shoes:they just replaced leather with plastic and painted some grey wire on it, and they now say it improves feet support... what a load of crap.

technology is important in a shoe, try playin with stan smiths and then try adidas torsion, you can obviously feel the impact of technology.
Or try 90's tech challenges and play with vapors zooms you'll feel difference

zoom technology's purpose is to keep players as close to the ground as possible, and after the design and esthetic of any shoes, technology is a major reason for customers to buy zoom products

otherwise we can always try to play with these:

shoes08.jpg
 
TennisLovaLova said:
had a pair of air jordan's 7 with zoom and there was a thin zoom airbag when the sole broke, I even took it out to see it



of course we care!

that flywire tech for exemple is the biggest con in the history of tennis shoes:they just replaced leather with plastic and painted some grey wire on it, and they now say it improves feet support... what a load of crap.

technology is important in a shoe, try playin with stan smiths and then try adidas torsion, you can obviously feel the impact of technology.
Or try 90's tech challenges and play with vapors zooms you'll feel difference

zoom technology's purpose is to keep players as close to the ground as possible, and after the design and esthetic of any shoes, technology is a major reason for customers to buy zoom products

otherwise we can always try to play with these:

shoes08.jpg
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loved the photo... :)
 
TennisLovaLova said:
had a pair of air jordan's 7 with zoom and there was a thin zoom airbag when the sole broke, I even took it out to see it



of course we care!

that flywire tech for exemple is the biggest con in the history of tennis shoes:they just replaced leather with plastic and painted some grey wire on it, and they now say it improves feet support... what a load of crap.

technology is important in a shoe, try playin with stan smiths and then try adidas torsion, you can obviously feel the impact of technology.
Or try 90's tech challenges and play with vapors zooms you'll feel difference

zoom technology's purpose is to keep players as close to the ground as possible, and after the design and esthetic of any shoes, technology is a major reason for customers to buy zoom products

otherwise we can always try to play with these:

shoes08.jpg
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The ultimate shoe for the toe-dragger!
 
I'ts obvious Nike is selling whoes with air zoom if they say there is air zoom...
Even if none of us ever cut a used shoe to check, Adidas (and others) obviously did, to check Nike technology...

... and if someone at Adidas checked and discovered there isn't any zoom in, I guess it would be hugely spread over the world already ("nike is cheating", etc) and we would know it for sure ;)
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Fairly legit

I'm a big fan of taking apart Nike's.

Here is my flickr that has pics of numerous shoes I've taken apart:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tcsparks/

I think the midsole tech is usually 100% real, but there might be various opinions of which one is the best. Lunar foam is difinitly a different material than the outer exposed foam, really squishy once it is removed. I find zoom air to be th best hands down, I love cutting them out and reusing them. I just put some old oscillate zoom air packs in some chuck Taylor's and it is awesome.

I'm less certain about the uppers, the flywire is suspect, sometimes seems like it just thread.
 
very interesting, never thought about a post-mortem for my shoes, but always wondered about how much we pay for T-mark vs. real tech.....
What do you guys think about the new fashion of very low till inexistent support, like the 5 fingers shoes?
 
Yes, shoes that have the Zoom Air markings do actually have Zoom Air in them. Same with Lunarlon and the other technologies.

As for the 5-finger crap, that's really a fad people can discuss on another thread.
 
Snowwiedragn said:
Don't know, what is flywire supposed to be made out of?
I ripped through my Lunar Vapor 7's a while ago.
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Flywire is supposedly made from thin strips of kevlar... and I quote Nike "Flywire is thin strings of Kevlar wrapped around your foot to keep stability at it highest at the lowest possible weight." Kevlar is the stuff bullet proof things are made of. I doubt highly that kevlar would rip that easily just from sliding on the court. Its clearly not Kevlar as nike says it is.


Also, what is a zoom plate? is that just a hidden airmax bubble?
 
JustBerdIT!!! said:
Flywire is supposedly made from thin strips of kevlar... and I quote Nike "Flywire is thin strings of Kevlar wrapped around your foot to keep stability at it highest at the lowest possible weight." Kevlar is the stuff bullet proof things are made of. I doubt highly that kevlar would rip that easily just from sliding on the court. Its clearly not Kevlar as nike says it is.


Also, what is a zoom plate? is that just a hidden airmax bubble?
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Zoom Air is a thinner version of an AirMax bubble.

And, yes, Kevlar is used in bullet proof stuff. But if you make it into a thread, it's strong for what it is, but it won't stop a bullet, and it will snap if you drag it on the court.
 
I didn't actually rip through the "Kevlar flywire". Just through the synthetic upper to get to it. Surprisingly it has held up. It looks twisted. Sort of like crossfires.
 
I remember seeing a friend of mines vapor 8s in the maize colorway, he had had them ever since February and just a week ago retired them... (these things didnt look like a shoe anymore) and all the flywire was ripped along the inside medial and upper ankle support. So if this stuff really is kevlar, then wow.
 
And you have to remember, even on nikes most durable top notch shoes (tennis or not) it doesnt cost alot to make them. The profit margin on nike shoes is HUGE! Your always paying for either the name or the RF or Jordan symbol on the shoe. I would say for a pair of 2k10s (my favorite since the vapor IV) it costs about 30 to 50 bucks a pair. So I doubt any of this lunarlon or air max really even costs alot to make anyway. (The very low production cost of Nike shoes is why you find Bargains at TW and Nike stores, even at those low prices, theyre still turning a profit, or at least breaking even.
 
JustBerdIT!!! said:
And you have to remember, even on nikes most durable top notch shoes (tennis or not) it doesnt cost alot to make them. The profit margin on nike shoes is HUGE! Your always paying for either the name or the RF or Jordan symbol on the shoe. I would say for a pair of 2k10s (my favorite since the vapor IV) it costs about 30 to 50 bucks a pair. So I doubt any of this lunarlon or air max really even costs alot to make anyway. (The very low production cost of Nike shoes is why you find Bargains at TW and Nike stores, even at those low prices, theyre still turning a profit, or at least breaking even.
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Exactly
They sell them 120 euros when new, 75 euros 2 months later, still huge profit margin after those sales... Profit margin is coming from marketing leverage, not the techno
 
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